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I think Bobby Portis needs another year......*wink wink*

Started by hogz11, November 28, 2014, 10:17:40 pm

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hogz11

It's partly a selfish statement on my part as I know he's NBA bound regardless. But I do think another year would certainly raise his stock and better prepare him. Here's hoping anyway.....

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arkansasrazorback

If he is a top 15 pick and comes back, his game will get nit picked all year and his stock would drop.

Adam Stokes

He's dropping like a rock in mock drafts lately.  Down to #21  in mockexpress, #22 in nbadraftroom, and down to #22 in 2016 at NBAdraft.net.  Anyone have any feel what the over/under would be for him to come back?

Hogimus Prime

Portis isn't even listed in the 2015 on nabdraft.net and was in the top 15.

3kgthog

When you lack any defensive ability your stock tends to drop. Bobby gives up almost as many points as he scores. I do love his offensive game, though.

Like it is

Portis ??? HOW BOUT QUALLS !!!! I promise u , the closer the season ends the more people will talk about next years team excluding them two. If u think Portis can't guard ..... U haven't watched MQ on the defensive end.

Like it is

Another year would do wonders with Qualls... More mature..... Hopefully a better ball handler and defender

toshortrock

what has he done for some of u guys to think he is a lottery pick?
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Speedracer

If he's told he will go in the first round, he has to go pro.  Too much at risk. 
Like smites bother me.

daprospecta

Quote from: Speedracer on December 11, 2014, 03:14:05 pm
If he's told he will go in the first round, he has to go pro.  Too much at risk. 
I heard whispers(I'm from Little Rock) back home that he was thinking of going last year but the gamble was too high.  If Bobby has a good, not great, but good year, he will be a first round pick.

Dominicanhog

Quote from: Adam Stokes on December 11, 2014, 03:39:51 am
He's dropping like a rock in mock drafts lately.  Down to #21  in mockexpress, #22 in nbadraftroom, and down to #22 in 2016 at NBAdraft.net.  Anyone have any feel what the over/under would be for him to come back?

Not sure how that can be... was told by posters just a day ago that he is NBA ready right now.. there's nothing left for him to learn in college, have I been misinformed or do the draft guys just not know what they are talking about?

daprospecta

Quote from: Dominicanhog on December 11, 2014, 03:58:27 pm
Not sure how that can be... was told by posters just a day ago that he is NBA ready right now.. there's nothing left for him to learn in college, have I been misinformed or do the draft guys just not know what they are talking about?
Very and I mean very few college players are ready to play right away in the NBA.  The NBA has no problem drafting a player in the first round and giving him a year or two to get acclimated.  You have to ask yourself, how much better will BP get in college?  In the NBA, basketball will be his life and job.

 

Dominicanhog

Quote from: daprospecta on December 11, 2014, 04:04:58 pm
Very and I mean very few college players are ready to play right away in the NBA.  The NBA has no problem drafting a player in the first round and giving him a year or two to get acclimated.  You have to ask yourself, how much better will BP get in college?  In the NBA, basketball will be his life and job.

aren't most lottery picks expected to contribute immediately?

hawgfan4life

I am not seeing NBA type play too often but those guys draft on potential more than they do on past performance.  Professional organizations suffer from the delusion that they can coach-up any deficiencies from the lower levels and they draft purely on the potential they believe exists in a player.  He might be a first round pick in the next draft, but unless he starts playing significantly better than he has so far, it won't be because of his performance at the UofA.

Don't get me wrong.  I LOVE Portis being on the team and do not want him to leave or be on another team.  However, his level of intensity, ability to put the team on his back and will it to a victory, defense, etc. all need a lot of improvement from what it is now if he is going to be successful as an NBA player.

Corliss was called Big Nasty for a reason.  He was tough as nails and played with tremendous heart and intensity.  He dominated most games in college.  He was rarely more than a 6th man in the NBA.  If he had Portis height, he would have been Hall of Fame.  Can't teach or coach height.  Portis needs to gain what can be taught and coached.  Working for position, playing defense like it means something, demanding the ball on offense, taking it up strong and breaking the opponents arm if he doesn't get it out of the way between the ball and the rim....

Like it is

There are miles & miles between Portis going pro and Qualls! I think Hog fans the rest of the year need to chant to Qualls " ONE MORE YEAR "- 1 side & other - " OR ELSE "

Hogimus Prime

Portis is probably better off leaving after this year with the way the NBA drafts now days.  The NBA drafts off of potential.

rude1

Portis IMO is a first round pick this year based on size and work ethic but that pick would probably be after the lottery selections towards the bottom of the first. The question is would another year propel him into the lottery picks? I certainly don't think he would fall out of the first round with another year barring injury and there is a good chance he could progress his game into a lottery pick.

edt

He absolutely needs another year. He is in no way ready for the NBA.

ErieHog

Quote from: rude1 on December 11, 2014, 05:33:17 pm
Portis IMO is a first round pick this year based on size and work ethic but that pick would probably be after the lottery selections towards the bottom of the first. The question is would another year propel him into the lottery picks? I certainly don't think he would fall out of the first round with another year barring injury and there is a good chance he could progress his game into a lottery pick.

He's a lottery pick right now.    People confuse being a good all-around college player, with being NBA ready.   Some mocks have him as high as 6th already.  Mind, that's his ceiling because of athleticism, regardless.
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ErieHog

December 11, 2014, 06:22:26 pm #20 Last Edit: December 11, 2014, 06:37:34 pm by ErieHog
Quote from: Dominicanhog on December 11, 2014, 04:10:37 pm
aren't most lottery picks expected to contribute immediately?

Nope.     Most Lottery picks aren't;    10-20 minutes a game is a pretty hefty work load for a lottery pick out of the gate, unless you take a situation like the current Timberwolves, where injuries and an intent to completely bottom out push those numbers up.

Let's look at this past year's draft, at only the *TOP 5* picks, to illustrate how few guys come direct to the NBA and play huge minutes.

Embiid isn't playing due to injury, so wipe him off the map.  Jabari Parker is playing 29.9 minutes as Milwaukee's experiment to try to see if he and the Greek Freak are the bedrock of their future, and Wiggins is clocking in at 29.4;    go to 4, though, and Aaron Gordon is clocking in at 15 MPG, and Exum is playing 16.

That's on the high end of the lottery.  On the bottom end, you have guys like Noah Vonleh playing 8 MPG,  or TJ Warren playing 10 a game.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

rude1

Quote from: ErieHog on December 11, 2014, 06:15:39 pm
IMO He's a lottery pick right now.    People confuse being a good all-around college player, with being NBA ready.   Some mocks have him as high as 6th already.  Mind, that's his ceiling because of athleticism, regardless.
Fixed that for you. Some mocks might have him 6th while others don't have him in the first at all. He isn't a consensus lottery pick that you are going to find on all draft boards, which means he is going to have to go to camps and do well if he wants to be a lottery certainty, and then he risks playing himself out of the first round if he does poorly.