K. Edwards is GONE!

[wholehog92]

You think it might have something to do with that being Tevin's first offense, and Kendrick being on (at least) his third chance?  Just maybe?

or how a player handles adversity- Tevin responded well, Ken maybe didn't..

I don't know I wouldn't want to speculate.  You have a story discussing those possibilities?

[Wildhog]

I don't know I wouldn't want to speculate.  You have a story discussing those possibilities?

Not sure what you're looking for, but I know for a fact that KE had at least a couple of incidents last year, and was given a second (and third) chance to get his act together.  He obviously didn't. 

I can't get too bent out of shape when he did it to himself.

[wholehog92]

Not sure what you're looking for, but I know for a fact that KE had at least a couple of incidents last year, and was given a second (and third) chance to get his act together.  He obviously didn't. 

I can't get too bent out of shape when he did it to himself.

I missed those stories.  Got a link?

[Wildhog]

I missed those stories.  Got a link?

Not really.  After a google search, I see some tweets that he was on a one week suspension in November of last year.  I know there was another issue earlier this year concerning academics.

And then whatever he just did to get the boot. 

[HogInTigerLand]

Can someone say exactly what he did or didnt' do?  PM me if needed.

[PorkRinds]

Can someone say exactly what he did or didnt' do?  PM me if needed.

According to CBB last week it was because of missing class or meetings. 

[Wildhog]

Can someone say exactly what he did or didnt' do?  PM me if needed.

We know that at least one of his issues was that he was missing a lot of class.

[HogNdazs]

Just curious I know he was tall and had some good hands, does he have pretty good speed too?

[wholehog92]

Not really.  After a google search, I see some tweets that he was on a one week suspension in November of last year.  I know there was another issue earlier this year concerning academics.

And then whatever he just did to get the boot. 

Sounds solid.  What a cancer this kid must have been.

[Wildhog]

Sounds solid.  What a cancer this kid must have been.

I'm not saying anything like that.  For all I know he's a good kid that just has his priorities mixed up.  But what do you expect to happen when you break your coach's rules time and time again?

[Wildhog]

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[HogInTigerLand]

We know that at least one of his issues was that he was missing a lot of class.

Was/is it the same issue with JoJo?  Do people really think he's gone after the spring?

[Wildhog]

Was/is it the same issue with JoJo?  Do people really think he's gone after the spring?

The only thing I know on Jojo was what CBB said in the presser the other day.  Showing up late to meetings.

He did get arrested (and subsequently released) after NSD, before getting to campus, for being in the car with some robbery suspects when they got collared.  I don't hold that against him, but I bet CBB had some words with him concerning his judgment.

Really hoping he can get it together.  He's far too talented not to.

[ricepig]

Was/is it the same issue with JoJo?  Do people really think he's gone after the spring?

Bielema said he called his Mom yesterday, they had a long talk and he has been doing everything required of him.

[wholehog92]

I'm not saying anything like that.  For all I know he's a good kid that just has his priorities mixed up.  But what do you expect to happen when you break your coach's rules time and time again?

I'd like the staff to take an interest in teaching the young man the value of going to class so that he is motivated to do it.

I recall a discussion with Gruden talking about working for I think Dr. Lou mentioned earlier in the thread.  It was about players learning the playbook.  A key player wasn't getting it done.  His point was that it was his job to teach that player the playbook whether he liked it or not.  How do you make a player do anything?  You make it important to them.  That's the job of the coaches.  It's hard.  That's why they make good money.

[Wildhog]

I'd like the staff to take an interest in teaching the young man the value of going to class so that he is motivated to do it.

I recall a discussion with Gruden talking about working for I think Dr. Lou mentioned earlier in the thread.  It was about players learning the playbook.  A key player wasn't getting it done.  His point was that it was job to teach that player the playbook whether he liked it or not.  How do you make a player do anything?  You make it important to them.  That's the job of the coaches.  It's hard.  That's why they make good money.

And how do you know they aren't doing that with other troubled kids?  We only hear about the more serious cases.  Sometimes, especially after repeated efforts, it's just best to move on.  Help the kid find a landing spot and wish him the best.

Also, from what I've heard, he didn't take Randy Shannon leaving very well.  Maybe the game just isn't as important to him as it is to some.

You can't save everyone.

[Wildhog]

Attrition has really gone down under Bielema than under previous coaching staffs.  This tells me that he's reaching the kids.  We all know he cares about them. 

[wholehog92]

Sounds solid.  What a cancer this kid must have been.

I'm not saying anything like that.  For all I know he's a good kid that just has his priorities mixed up.  But what do you expect to happen when you break your coach's rules time and time again?

And how do you know they aren't doing that with other troubled kids?  We only hear about the more serious cases.  Sometimes, especially after repeated efforts, it's just best to move on.  Help the kid find a landing spot and wish him the best.

Also, from what I've heard, he didn't take Randy Shannon leaving very well.  Maybe the game just isn't as important to him as it is to some.

You can't save everyone.

Say what you mean.  Edwards was a serious problem or no?

I wouldn't think we needed to save that many since we recruit such high character kids to begin with.  Should be a pretty small job really.

[Wildhog]

Say what you mean.  Edwards was a serious problem or no?

I wouldn't think we needed to save that many since we recruit such high character kids to begin with.  Should be a pretty small job really.

You do know you can be a good kid and still have problems, right?  It's not that difficult to understand.

And if you think it's a small job, then you clearly don't understand.

[Wildhog]

Why not hold coaches to the same standards?  CBB has our team discipline at a level that I haven't seen before.  Granted, I wasn't around for Broyles or Holtz, but it's clear that he's doing a good job of molding these kids into men.  And many of his former players have raved about him in that regard. 

So, history is on my side.

[wholehog92]

Why not hold coaches to the same standards?  CBB has our team discipline at a level that I haven't seen before.  Granted, I wasn't around for Broyles or Holtz, but it's clear that he's doing a good job of molding these kids into men.  And many of his former players have raved about him in that regard. 

So, history is on my side.

I would hope the coaches have higher standards than the players.  The coaches are professionals being paid.

[ricepig]

I'd like the staff to take an interest in teaching the young man the value of going to class so that he is motivated to do it.

I recall a discussion with Gruden talking about working for I think Dr. Lou mentioned earlier in the thread.  It was about players learning the playbook.  A key player wasn't getting it done.  His point was that it was his job to teach that player the playbook whether he liked it or not.  How do you make a player do anything?  You make it important to them.  That's the job of the coaches.  It's hard.  That's why they make good money.

The value was he gets to play football, something he wants to do, I presume. It's very obvious that going to class, being on time, and following his other rules are deal breakers/makers for Bielema, just do them if you want to play here.

[Wildhog]

I would hope the coaches have higher standards than the players.  The coaches are professionals being paid.

So you're done, right?

[ricepig]

I would hope the coaches have higher standards than the players.  The coaches are professionals being paid.

And your point?

[Soooie21]

You are always going to have bad apples in every group of players...All they do is hurt the program.  Good for Coach B..

[PaintballHog]

Edwards will sting, but we will be fine. We can't lose JoJo tho...

[ricepig]

Edwards will sting, but we will be fine. We can't lose JoJo tho...

JoJo will decide JoJo's fate.

[wholehog92]

The value was he gets to play football, something he wants to do, I presume. It's very obvious that going to class, being on time, and following his other rules are deal breakers/makers for Bielema, just do them if you want to play here.

Right.  I could hire a minimum wage worker to make that call.  Not a ringing endorsement.  I think more highly of our coach than that.

So you're done, right?

With what?

And your point?

Just responding to the wild one.  You would have to read his post to understand.  It's certainly not required reading since it was kind of an A and B conversation at that point and not really designed for someone to jump into the middle of it.

[Wildhog]

At this point, it just seems like you're searching for a reason to bash CBB.  Maybe I'm mistaken.  But we're not going to agree on this.

[ricepig]

Right.  I could hire a minimum wage worker to make that call.  Not a ringing endorsement.  I think more highly of our coach than that.

Obviously Kendrick doesn't.

[Oklahawg]

Gotta be honest, we probably can't afford to lose Jojo...

No player is ever bigger than the program. Ever. Period.

[bigdaddyhawg]

It continues to amaze me that people desire to second guess any and every little thing that happens with our program.

I understand the program is important to people, but they have no information with even begin to question the situation.

But the larger point that some people can't seem to grasp is NO BODY, NO ONE has more at stake than our HC.  Why in the world would he want to do anything that might have some chance at hurting his chances at success??

Answer: He wouldn't.  It's not really all that complicated an issue to grasp.

One other thought: Hasn't become it obvious that no matter the coach, this program, just like every other program, will lose players in the spring.  That's part of the reason you sign 25 every year yet seldom come up against the 85 limit.

[collegestationhog]

I wouldn't count him out just yet.  There's a good chance you're right, but it's not a done deal.

You are right. If he does right and he has success before spring ball is over then the chance he stays is higher.  With him redshirting last year i dont know if he will want to sit out another just to transfer. Hopefully the team will pick him up and help him if he helps himself.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

 

Starting to remind me of Coach Pelphrey. When you keep having the same trouble with the same people over and over, look in the mirror. Discipline means taking marginal young men and molding them.

This is absurd. CBB has had 2 arrest during his watch as HC. Heck and I'm sure Flynn should count as CBB had only been here a month.

In Addition our football GPA is now unbelievable.

That's molding young men

[hoglady]

Edwards will sting, but we will be fine. We can't lose JoJo tho...

Yes - we can.
The absolute worst thing a coach can do is decide we Can't lose a particular player and start bending rules.
If JoJo doesn't straighten up he's got to be shown the door, too.

[wholehog92]

At this point, it just seems like you're searching for a reason to bash CBB.  Maybe I'm mistaken.  But we're not going to agree on this.

I challenge you to find a post in my history where I've said I don't care for coach.  I feel pretty confident you will come up empty because I like him.  I think he was a very good hire for the circumstance we were in.  I'm happy to wait to see where he takes us as a program. 

That doesn't mean I think everything he does is unquestionable.  I think his dismissal of kids he promised to take care of in college for relatively minor issues is drastic at best.  I'd be willing to bet he didn't sell momma on I'll take care of your kid so long as he makes all of my meetings on time.  I doubt he gave the kid a copy of the "team rules" when he was recruiting him.  and said, you break these, I'll throw you out.

I work with "at risk" kids regularly.  All they have ever seen in their life is conditions.  They have a lot of issues tied to that and it creates a behavior.  If this is our stance, we need to quit bringing them in and leave them for Auburn and OU.  All we have done is put a note on the kid's bio for NFL teams pick apart if he makes it that far.  He hasn't helped our team and we haven't helped him at this point.  We've wasted a couple of years of the kid's life and he's wasted a couple of years of our scholarships.

Pardon me if I don't see that as something to praise the coach over.  It bothers me a lot when I see people willing to praise the coach over a situation that is an obvious failure.  KE wasn't some program changing talent.  No reason to take a chance on him to start with.  Possession receivers of his talent are plentiful.

If you were to look at the whole picture instead of just "Got rid of a bad seed." It looks more like "Coach brought in an attitude problem and wasted a needed scholarship and the kid's time as well as the coaches and sent him on his way."

You are right that we will never agree on the subject though.  Probably most of Hogville.  It isn't known as a repository of honest discussion.

[HogNdazs]

Should be more like it's just going to really suck if we lose Jo Jo.  But we will move on.

Yes - we can.
The absolute worst thing a coach can do is decide we Can't lose a particular player and start bending rules.
If JoJo doesn't straighten up he's got to be shown the door, too.

[Wildhog]

I challenge you to find a post in my history where I've said I don't care for coach.  I feel pretty confident you will come up empty because I like him.  I think he was a very good hire for the circumstance we were in.  I'm happy to wait to see where he takes us as a program. 

That doesn't mean I think everything he does is unquestionable.  I think his dismissal of kids he promised to take care of in college for relatively minor issues is drastic at best.  I'd be willing to bet he didn't sell momma on I'll take care of your kid so long as he makes all of my meetings on time.  I doubt he gave the kid a copy of the "team rules" when he was recruiting him.  and said, you break these, I'll throw you out.

I work with "at risk" kids regularly.  All they have ever seen in their life is conditions.  They have a lot of issues tied to that and it creates a behavior.  If this is our stance, we need to quit bringing them in and leave them for Auburn and OU.  All we have done is put a note on the kid's bio for NFL teams pick apart if he makes it that far.  He hasn't helped our team and we haven't helped him at this point.  We've wasted a couple of years of the kid's life and he's wasted a couple of years of our scholarships.

Pardon me if I don't see that as something to praise the coach over.  It bothers me a lot when I see people willing to praise the coach over a situation that is an obvious failure.  KE wasn't some program changing talent.  No reason to take a chance on him to start with.  Possession receivers of his talent are plentiful.

If you were to look at the whole picture instead of just "Got rid of a bad seed." It looks more like "Coach brought in an attitude problem and wasted a needed scholarship and the kid's time as well as the coaches and sent him on his way."

You are right that we will never agree on the subject though.  Probably most of Hogville.  It isn't known as a repository of honest discussion.

I don't see this as a good thing.  I see it as a shame.

I also think CBB is going to do what's best for the program, and I know that Kendrick was given multiple chances.  It is what it is, and that's a shame.

[ricepig]

I challenge you to find a post in my history where I've said I don't care for coach.  I feel pretty confident you will come up empty because I like him.  I think he was a very good hire for the circumstance we were in.  I'm happy to wait to see where he takes us as a program. 

That doesn't mean I think everything he does is unquestionable.  I think his dismissal of kids he promised to take care of in college for relatively minor issues is drastic at best.  I'd be willing to bet he didn't sell momma on I'll take care of your kid so long as he makes all of my meetings on time.  I doubt he gave the kid a copy of the "team rules" when he was recruiting him.  and said, you break these, I'll throw you out.

I work with "at risk" kids regularly.  All they have ever seen in their life is conditions.  They have a lot of issues tied to that and it creates a behavior.  If this is our stance, we need to quit bringing them in and leave them for Auburn and OU.  All we have done is put a note on the kid's bio for NFL teams pick apart if he makes it that far.  He hasn't helped our team and we haven't helped him at this point.  We've wasted a couple of years of the kid's life and he's wasted a couple of years of our scholarships.

Pardon me if I don't see that as something to praise the coach over.  It bothers me a lot when I see people willing to praise the coach over a situation that is an obvious failure.  KE wasn't some program changing talent.  No reason to take a chance on him to start with.  Possession receivers of his talent are plentiful.

If you were to look at the whole picture instead of just "Got rid of a bad seed." It looks more like "Coach brought in an attitude problem and wasted a needed scholarship and the kid's time as well as the coaches and sent him on his way."

You are right that we will never agree on the subject though.  Probably most of Hogville.  It isn't known as a repository of honest discussion.

And Bielema addressed this at an earlier PC, we needed better vetting in Florida.

[Wildhog]

And you're always going to get honest discussion from me.  I don't pull punches or twist facts.  Sometimes we're just going to have irreconcilable positions.

[wholehog92]

And you're always going to get honest discussion from me.  I don't pull punches or twist facts.  Sometimes we're just going to have irreconcilable positions.

That's why I separated you from Hogville and why I'm discussing it with you.  I thought it was a crap out you went to "I'm just looking for a reason to bash the coach."  I have never bashed this coach.  I do occasionally disagree with something he's done.  That's a good thing in my view.  If he did everything the way I think it should be done, he wouldn't be a football coach, he'd be in my career field.  I agree with what he does more often than not though.  I don't know enough about this situation to know if I agree or not.

That's not my disagreement.  This thread is filled with people essentially saying "Right on coach, way to go."  Apparently these people don't see things the way I do.  I see something that if it was the norm would be a big problem and certainly not something to slap the coach on the back about.  In my experience in actually talking to the man, I'd bet he would agree with me.

[Wildhog]

That's why I separated you from Hogville and why I'm discussing it with you.  I thought it was a crap out you went to "I'm just looking for a reason to bash the coach."  I have never bashed this coach.  I do occasionally disagree with something he's done.  That's a good thing in my view.  If he did everything the way I think it should be done, he wouldn't be a football coach, he'd be in my career field.  I agree with what he does more often than not though.  I don't know enough about this situation to know if I agree or not.

That's not my disagreement.  This thread is filled with people essentially saying "Right on coach, way to go."  Apparently these people don't see things the way I do.  I see something that if it was the norm would be a big problem and certainly not something to slap the coach on the back about.  In my experience in actually talking to the man, I'd bet he would agree with me.

If it was the norm, I'd agree with you.  But it's not.  It's actually been quite rare.

Sorry for being mistaken on the coach bashing thing.

[DeltaBoy]

Sad to hear this. Shame on Edwards for not doing Right.

[HF#1]

I enjoy your posts but must say that our program is not dependent upon two players.
We can lose Kendrick Edwards and any other player/players that don't 'do the right thing'.

For an interesting read ; This describes Lou Holtz and his suspension of 3 star players before the '78 Orange Bowl, and the meltdown/federal lawsuit that followed.
We survived, and thrived.
http://texags.com/forums/5/topics/1667091

" GO HOGS "

It depends on what you are expecting from them this season.  I'm expecting the passing game to improve with a new coordinator and some newly developed talent.  If that talent leaves, that doesn't bode well for the passing game, does it?

I didn't say the program would fall apart.

[HF#1]

No player is ever bigger than the program. Ever. Period.

Use just a little context.  Losing 2 WR's that had decent expectations on an offense that was less than average throwing the ball, isn't good.

[wholehog92]

Use just a little context.  Losing 2 WR's that had decent expectations on an offense that was less than average throwing the ball, isn't good.

That's a valid point.  A quick check of the depth chart says losing talent at WR is a big deal right now if Vince Lombardi was coaching the team.

[jgphillips3]

No player is ever bigger than the program. Ever. Period.

Agreed, but that doesn't change what he said.  If we lose JoJo after not getting "he whose name shall not be spoken" and not yet knowing if Reed will qualify, we are dangerously thin at a spot that literally prevented us from being a 9 or even 10 win team this year.  No one is saying that Coach should spare JoJo...just that we NEED him to get his stuff together to give us quality depth.

[Biggus Piggus]

Starting to remind me of Coach Pelphrey. When you keep having the same trouble with the same people over and over, look in the mirror. Discipline means taking marginal young men and molding them.

What the holy Frank.

[Biggus Piggus]

Hopefully JoJo "gets it together" and hopefully Reed qualifies because if those 2 aspects don't happen, then we will be looking at more stacked boxes and perhaps only 2 conference wins (probably the only 2 being against Ole Miss and Mississippi State).

Hunter Henry can't do it by himself in the passing game to keep the box from being stacked.

Wrong. You need to sit back and wait for more information. Much more information.

[Biggus Piggus]

Work ethic was an issue with Edwards from the beginning. Instruction didn't change him, correction didn't change him, punishment didn't change him. Maybe at his next school, he will learn his playbook, attend classes, and put in the required time for meetings and workouts. He just learned a big lesson that didn't get through before: All this stuff matters.