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Jim Harris on Jeff Long firing, Mississippi State game

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BadHog

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hoglady

Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?

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jgphillips3

Good points for the most part.  Hitting the high notes with the Dicus firing in 2008, the regionalism of Jeff Long, etc that led to his demise.



younghog

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hoglady

Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?

"Compassion for animals is intimately associated with goodness of character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man."
― Arthur Schopenhauer, The Basis of Morality


sickboy

He was fired because he'd made enemies – as any athletic director at any major college athletic power does, eventually – among the people who, when the time is right, can and will exact their revenge. And it usually revolves around wins and losses for the football team.


That's a real doozy of a "paragraph" right there. Who's the editor of this publication?

bphi11ips

Jim Harris is about as close to Orville Henry as anyone out there right now.
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

DeltaBoy

Good read by Jim Harris ! He the best we got along with Mike Irwin!
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DeltaBoy

Quote from: hoglady on November 17, 2017, 04:46:28 pm
Chuck Dicus - I believe

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it raining Jeffery Long, Canning Chuck cost you your job in the end!
If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

The NewEra

Jim Harris, I'll call you out when I think you are off the mark, but I'll also commend you when your right.  In this case I thought your article was extremely well written, unapologetic and factual.  I thought it was a great piece of honesty in print.

 

wachhog

Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 17, 2017, 07:18:15 pm
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it raining Jeffery Long, Canning Chuck cost you your job in the end!
Good. I thought it was shortsighted, if not downright lowdown, when he did it. Actually, though, I presumed Long was acting on someone else's orders. Kind of reminded me of when they shoved Jobs out of Apple. Karma can be a wonderful thing. At least, we like to to think there's karma when someone is as arrogant as Long and his puppet master were.

FrankCourtneyNicodemus

Quote from: sickboy on November 17, 2017, 05:02:02 pm
He was fired because he'd made enemies – as any athletic director at any major college athletic power does, eventually – among the people who, when the time is right, can and will exact their revenge. And it usually revolves around wins and losses for the football team.


That's a real doozy of a "paragraph" right there. Who's the editor of this publication?

Edit* That's a "doozy" of a paragraph... Only if you're a 9th grader.

Athog


Inhogswetrust

Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 17, 2017, 07:18:15 pm
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it raining Jeffery Long, Canning Chuck cost you your job in the end!

Except Chuck didn't work for Jeff. He worked for the Razorback Foundation. Long was never in charge of the Foundation. The Foundation has it's own BIOD that makes decisions over who runs the Foundation. I'll go on the record as saying the current Executive Director Varady is doing a great job.
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HognotinMemphis

Quote from: The NewEra on November 17, 2017, 08:07:57 pm
Jim Harris, I'll call you out when I think you are off the mark, but I'll also commend you when your right.  In this case I thought your article was extremely well written, unapologetic and factual.  I thought it was a great piece of honesty in print.
Oooh, I bet Jim is scared knowing you will call him out when he deserves it. He may never write again.
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HognotinMemphis

"His moves helped athletics raise its graduation rate to 80 percent, though that still ranks last in the SEC."

Surprising. I would have guessed that the regular student body graduation rate is under 80%. How would stupid athletes graduate at a higher rate than the overall student population?
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bphi11ips

Quote from: HoginMemphis on November 18, 2017, 10:07:48 am
Oooh, I bet Jim is scared knowing you will call him out when he deserves it. He may never write again.

Jim Harris is usually spot on.  Closest thing to Orville Henry we have left. Understands college football and Arkansas football. 
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

LZH

That may be the most accurate and coherent article I have read about Razorback football in the past five years.

12247

Nice overall article.  I, too, thought it was funny when folks on here declared that the BOT couldn't fire someone and directly that is true so far as I know.  But they can yank the chain of the folks who can fire folks and that appears to be what they did.


bphi11ips

Quote from: HoginMemphis on November 18, 2017, 10:10:14 am
"His moves helped athletics raise its graduation rate to 80 percent, though that still ranks last in the SEC."

Surprising. I would have guessed that the regular student body graduation rate is under 80%. How would stupid athletes graduate at a higher rate than the overall student population?

Scholarship athletes at Arkansas have a support system that other students don't have.  They also must go to class and maintain grades and progress towards a degree to stay on the team and on scholarship.  The Jones Center and tutors in any subject are available just by asking.  Study halls are mandatory. Plus, nutrition is constantly supervised and private trainers are always there.

Contrast that to the average student leaving home for the first time with no supervision. A lot handle it well and do well.  A lot don't.  We remember some like that. 

Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

 

bondhue

Quote from: HoginMemphis on November 18, 2017, 10:10:14 am
"His moves helped athletics raise its graduation rate to 80 percent, though that still ranks last in the SEC."

Surprising. I would have guessed that the regular student body graduation rate is under 80%. How would stupid athletes graduate at a higher rate than the overall student population?
Depends on what is being defined.  Only 55-60 percent of incoming freshmen nationwide will end up with a 4 year degree (B.A., B.S) in 6 years.  Where I finished up my career we were at about 55%.
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The Hawg Marshal

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on November 17, 2017, 09:52:24 pm
Except Chuck didn't work for Jeff. He worked for the Razorback Foundation. Long was never in charge of the Foundation. The Foundation has it's own BIOD that makes decisions over who runs the Foundation. I'll go on the record as saying the current Executive Director Varady is doing a great job.
So was it Dicus or not?

TexasHog

I agree with most of what he said especially this part.

"If nothing else, it appeared Long was slowing reimaging the program as the University of Northwest Arkansas Razorbacks. Granted, we know provincialism in this state has been growing stronger ever since Walmart and other business powerhouses in the region blew up in the 1980s-90s, but the Razorbacks athletic program never should abandon its reach into even the smallest hamlets in the furthest corners of this tiny, poor state."

I know there are people in NW Arkansas who don't particularly care if people outside NW Arkansas support the hogs in fact they seem to think the Razorbacks don't need fans from outside of NW Arkansas period.

Well they are so wrong it's not even funny.
The only reason the Razorbacks are even an SEC school is because the fan base around the state is so big.
There are not enough people in NW Arkansas to sustain a big time team like the Razorbacks and without those of us from outside the NW the Razorbacks will become small time meaning unimportant/minor.

Razorbacks could still maintain the money but not the fan base.
From my perspective it did indeed seem like Long was trying to make the Razorbacks into a regional team which means the fans around the state would simply find someone else to root for maybe even A-State would have sensed it and made a move to get most of the state behind them effectively taking the Razorbacks place as Arkansas top football school.


I disagree with the author on the Little Rock games though I think Arkansas needs to play 2 games in Little Rock every year.

1 vs Arkansas State which should be an easy win but it would be a very popular game with more then likely a sold out stadium and tons of people watching on tv.
In other words it's a cupcake game that people will actually want to see instead of playing a team like CC that nobody cares about even in Fayetteville.

2 An SEC opponent it could be Ole Miss Missouri doesn't really matter as long as it's an SEC team.

I know the stadium in LR needs a little work but turning the Hogs into a regional team would be a huge mistake and ultimately may lead to the rise in popularity of another school as the top team in the state.


AlmaHog2011

Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 17, 2017, 07:18:15 pm
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it raining Jeffery Long, Canning Chuck cost you your job in the end!
He disrespected a bunch of ex greats not just Chuck. BTW Chuck one of the friendliest people I have ever talked to. Met him LR and I am a nobody just a good guy. A real Razorback who understands what being a Razorback means. Something Long and his posse on here don't like or understand either.

AlmaHog2011

I have never ever heard anyone say Arkansas doesn't need LR and the entire stadium!! Ever!

Why do people make this crap up? I guess if you hear it or say enough you THINK it's true.

I REPEAT NEVER HEARD ANYONE SAY WE DON'T NEED THE ENTIRE STATE!

TexasHog

Quote from: AlmaHog2011 on November 18, 2017, 11:05:34 am
I have never ever heard anyone say Arkansas doesn't need LR and the entire stadium!! Ever!

Why do people make this crap up? I guess if you hear it or say enough you THINK it's true.

I REPEAT NEVER HEARD ANYONE SAY WE DON'T NEED THE ENTIRE STATE!

Yet you hear people say the Razorbacks should end the tradition of playing in LR.
Or they should only play cupcake games in LR that nobody wants to watch.

These are the people I am talking about and it's obvious they don't have a clue as to why the Razorbacks became the most popular school in the state in the first place.
Either one of those ideas will end up turning the Razorbacks into a regional team.

And yes people have said it stop playing stupid.

Be back I'm going to watch the empty stadium in Fayetteville that's on tv right now.

BadHog

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wildhogman

Quote from: TexasHog on November 18, 2017, 11:12:34 am
Yet you hear people say the Razorbacks should end the tradition of playing in LR.
Or they should only play cupcake games in LR that nobody wants to watch.

These are the people I am talking about and it's obvious they don't have a clue as to why the Razorbacks became the most popular school in the state in the first place.
Either one of those ideas will end up turning the Razorbacks into a regional team.

And yes people have said it stop playing stupid.

Be back I'm going to watch the empty stadium in Fayetteville that's on tv right now.
som don't have a clue why the LR games came to be in the first place. When it was built it was a show case and FV stadium held 2/3's of what LR did. 
Time passes years go by. Fav renovates   and becomes a show case. LR sits on its hands refusing to do nything until the threat of losing all the games becomes reality. 
What does LR have that Fav doesn't?  a golf course where you can get drunk on?  Baum parking lot offers a lot of room to do that as well. 
Everything else is just excuses. Get off your but and in the car and make the drive. Otherwise its just agendy, you don't like NWA.  That's fine and each persons prerogative, but don't spread the poison and hate to other fans.  If you support the hogs you will do it even if they play in the ice bowl in anchorage alaska

ShadowHawg

Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 17, 2017, 07:18:15 pm
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it raining Jeffery Long, Canning Chuck cost you your job in the end!

Hardly. Doing the right thing by moving games from Little Rock was the demise. He wouldn't have lasted another 9 years if Dicus were the real issue. Wasn't the contract to renew games coming up? Then the first thing the interim says is that there will always be games in LR. Fairly obvious.

HognotinMemphis

Quote from: bphi11ips on November 18, 2017, 10:19:29 am
Jim Harris is usually spot on.  Closest thing to Orville Henry we have left. Understands college football and Arkansas football.
Yep. I enjoy occasional lunch with Jim. Good guy even tho a democrat.
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TexasHog

Quote from: wildhogman on November 18, 2017, 12:05:52 pm

What does LR have that Fav doesn't? 

A central location that is about a 2 hour drive from anywhere in the state meaning just about anybody can go to those games and then drive home after without spending too much money.
The games that are played in Fayetteville are a long drive for most of the state meaning either a long drive home at night or renting an overpriced motel room.

So the answer is easier access and more exposure to the entire state.
Like I said Arkansas wouldn't have nearly the support it does from most of the state as they do now if they never played all those games in Little Rock.
If they start making access harder and become more regional they will start losing support and become small time because only NW Arkansas will care.
Derp


wildhogman

Quote from: TexasHog on November 18, 2017, 01:06:53 pm
A central location that is about a 2 hour drive from anywhere in the state meaning just about anybody can go to those games and then drive home after without spending too much money.
The games that are played in Fayetteville are a long drive for most of the state meaning either a long drive home at night or renting an overpriced motel room.

So the answer is easier access and more exposure to the entire state.
Like I said Arkansas wouldn't have nearly the support it does from most of the state as they do now if they never played all those games in Little Rock.
If they start making access harder and become more regional they will start losing support and become small time because only NW Arkansas will care.
Derp


My normal response to this is, "quit crying then and do what you should have to start, Move the razorbaks to LR so everyone has access".  They made the decision many years ago cause even back then they didn't want a bunch of college kids tearing up the capitol.  Given the location of colleges throughout the country and the support they have, your argument doesn't wash.  If the Hogs win and keep winning they will have support period.  OkSt has good support, they aren't in central Ok and are not even close to being a national power such as OU. 
Again I say quit making excuses and get your But in the car and support them.

I will add I been to two games in LR back in the day. One was Holtz coached and the other was right after Hatfeild left.  Both times I had whiskey spilt on me from drunk fans. The second time I was burnt by a cig. Drunk fan and heck I am a smoker myself, but I never burnt anyone with it lol.  Felt like a sardine in a can. The whole experience was terrible and if they moved all the games there I would never see the Hogs in person again.

ShadowHawg

November 18, 2017, 01:26:04 pm #36 Last Edit: November 18, 2017, 03:59:12 pm by ShadowHawg
Quote from: TexasHog on November 18, 2017, 01:06:53 pm
A central location that is about a 2 hour drive from anywhere in the state meaning just about anybody can go to those games and then drive home after without spending too much money.
The games that are played in Fayetteville are a long drive for most of the state meaning either a long drive home at night or renting an overpriced motel room.

So the answer is easier access and more exposure to the entire state.
Like I said Arkansas wouldn't have nearly the support it does from most of the state as they do now if they never played all those games in Little Rock.
If they start making access harder and become more regional they will start losing support and become small time because only NW Arkansas will care.
Derp

30,000 less seats and LR keeps the concessions. Helps recruiting by not allowing official recruiting visits either. Great deal all the way around.

There is this thing called cable that allows people to watch nearly all their favorite team's games that didn't exist in the 50's, 60', and 70's and therefore support for the program doesn't wane. Derp