Hugh Freeze pulling a Saban

[3BoarsDown]

http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2012/07/30/ole-miss-revokes-scholarship-offer-to-georgia-lb-because-of-knee-injury/?cp=1#comment-284203

[The_Boot_stops_here]

so they should be expected to honor a schollie OFFER to this kid regardless of whether or not he can fully recover from his knee injury? whatever...you're letting you're hatred of ole miss cloud you're judgement on this one...this should be a non-story

[CDBHawg]

I have no problem with this.

[Virgil]

so they should be expected to honor a schollie OFFER to this kid regardless of whether or not he can fully recover from his knee injury? whatever...you're letting you're hatred of ole miss cloud you're judgement on this one...this should be a non-story

I agree and I don't blame them for doing it.   Can't play if your injured.

[RedyorNot]

A little off topic, okay, completely off topic, but did you see the link at the end of the story about FSU signing the #1DE and then hiring his father?? How does the NCAA not pounce on more schools?

[bigdaddyhawg]

Also, Saban revoked the scholarship offer either signing day or the day before.  This kid has the full recruiting season to get another offer lined up.

Big difference.

[Ham Ham Pigelow]

A little off topic, okay, completely off topic, but did you see the link at the end of the story about FSU signing the #1DE and then hiring his father?? How does the NCAA not pounce on more schools?

#1 recruit Robert Nkemdiche's father is a doctor and was offered a job by an Oxford, MS area hospital. Nkemdiche's brother plays for Ole Miss. Sounds like the family is preparing to be close to each other to me. Not much the NCAA can do about it anyway.

[Tim Harris]

A little off topic, okay, completely off topic, but did you see the link at the end of the story about FSU signing the #1DE and then hiring his father?? How does the NCAA not pounce on more schools?

Happens quite often.  Maybe not directly for the school but boosters find parents jobs in the area.

[RedyorNot]

Thanks guys, but I was talking about this. FSU hires on staff ESPN #1 players dad

http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2012/07/30/florida-state-hires-father-of-nations-no-1-football-recruit/

[bigdaddyhawg]

#1 recruit Robert Nkemdiche's father is a doctor and was offered a job by an Oxford, MS area hospital. Nkemdiche's brother plays for Ole Miss. Sounds like the family is preparing to be close to each other to me. Not much the NCAA can do is willing to do about it anyway.

If the NCAA can summarily impose serious regulations on Penn State for their issues, then surely the NCAA can do the same with these schools.

Force them to take you to court, then you get all the participants on the stand, under oath, and might finally get the truth out on some of this bull.

Of course, that will never happen.  But they could it they wanted to.

[CDBHawg]

#1 recruit Robert Nkemdiche's father is a doctor and was offered a job by an Oxford, MS area hospital. Nkemdiche's brother plays for Ole Miss. Sounds like the family is preparing to be close to each other to me. Not much the NCAA can do about it anyway.

Good move by the hospital, take advantages of connections always.

[The Boar War]

He got an offer because of his ability and now he doesn't have an offer because of his ability.  Verbal commitments are non binding (for both parties).

That being said I think we're going to have a lot of fun with Coach Freeze in Oxford.

[bigdaddyhawg]

That being said I think we're going to have a lot of fun with Coach Freeze in Oxford.

Although I'm not sure how you meant it, I agree.

If OM can be patient, I believe the guy will field competitive teams.

[Hans Gruber]

Ready to see Philon tear up the SEC.

[3BoarsDown]

40 yr old men on a message board don't have a problem with it but recruits, their families, and high school coaches do.

Robert Nkemdiche tweeted:

"Messed up what omu(Ole Miss university) did to Mario Mathis."

[Huds_HawgTide]

robert is learning so much

[yraciv]

robert is learning so much

Dude, you are in every thread today? I know your bored, but come one man!

[bigdaddyhawg]

Dude, you are in every thread today? I know your bored, but come one man!

What are you, the Hogville post counter and police?

[yraciv]

What are you, the Hogville post counter and police?

I've never made a post like that. Said something cause he posted I'm bored in another thread, and had posted in 7 threads in a row in the recruiting forum. It wasn't meant to be taken that seriously. Lighten up!

[WILL CLINTON]

Thanks guys, but I was talking about this. FSU hires on staff ESPN #1 players dad

http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2012/07/30/florida-state-hires-father-of-nations-no-1-football-recruit/

In fairness though, the father was a star for FSU and played 5 years in the NFL, so he may be qualified.

[bigdaddyhawg]

It wasn't meant to be taken that seriously.

Yeah, neither was mine.  (I really know there are no Hogville post counting police.  )

[Fatty McGee]

so they should be expected to honor a schollie OFFER to this kid regardless of whether or not he can fully recover from his knee injury? whatever...you're letting you're hatred of ole miss cloud you're judgement on this one...this should be a non-story

Yes, they should.  You make the offer, you ought to have to be committed.  At some point, some part of this process ought to favor the athlete.

[CDBHawg]

40 yr old men on a message board don't have a problem with it but recruits, their families, and high school coaches do.

Robert Nkemdiche tweeted:

"Messed up what omu(Ole Miss university) did to Mario Mathis."

Yeah, a recruit that's committed elsewhere.

[tophawg19]

i agree . if you offer and they commit it should be final . this would eliminate those prima donna games .

[The Boar War]

Although I'm not sure how you meant it, I agree.

If OM can be patient, I believe the guy will field competitive teams.

Really?  I thought it was a questionable hire.

[bigdaddyhawg]

Really?  I thought it was a questionable hire.

I can see how one might question it, but I thought he did a very good job at ASU.  And if he could do it up there he can do it in Oxford, too, IMO.

He's certainly showing he will bust his hump in recruiting, and is getting some results, thought it's early.

It'll be interesting to see how they do this fall.

[bigdaddyhawg]

Yes, they should.  You make the offer, you ought to have to be committed.  At some point, some part of this process ought to favor the athlete.

You've certainly got a deep seated neurotic thing going on about how these kids get screwed.

"some part of this process ought to favor the athlete"?

They have 100% free choice as it stands now.  THEY have that decision in their hands, not the schools.

The student-athlete can change his mind anytime before he signs that offer sheet, and they often do near to signing day.  They aren't even required to sign that paper.  They can hold off their commitment all the until school starts if they wish, and some kids have kept their recruiting up into the summer.

How does that NOT favor the kids?

[Fatty McGee]

They have 100% free choice as it stands now.  THEY have that decision in their hands, not the schools.

This is so naive it's sweet.

Forgive me for having a basic sense of fairness.

[bigdaddyhawg]

This is so naive it's sweet.

Forgive me for having a basic sense of fairness.

At least you've changed your tact from bullying it down our throats now to sarcasm.

Somewhat refreshing, I guess.

[Fatty McGee]

At least you've changed your tact from bullying it down our throats now to sarcasm.

Somewhat refreshing, I guess.

Did you feel bullied?  I'm sorry.  I'm quite delicate - I would never bully anyone.  Who is "our"? 

[bigdaddyhawg]

Did you feel bullied?  I'm sorry.  I'm quite delicate - I would never bully anyone.  Who is "our"? 

Hardly delicate, I'd say.  And, look around for the rest of us.

[Fatty McGee]

Hardly delicate, I'd say.  And, look around for the rest of us.

You got a mouse in your pocket?

[hogntonk]

Front page of the Memphis Commercial Appeal sports page today has article on the Ole Miss offer.  Per the recruits mother, Denise Fletcher, " there was always an agreement between her son and Ole Miss that the scholarship offer was contingent on his health. "   When the recruit, Mario Mathis, visited Ole Miss recently it was obvious he still had issues with his movement.   Both parents and Hugh Freeze agreed to release Mario from his commitment.  However,  the scholarship offer stands if Mario returns to full strength.

[bigdaddyhawg]

Front page of the Memphis Commercial Appeal sports page today has article on the Ole Miss offer.  Per the recruits mother, Denise Fletcher, " there was always an agreement between her son and Ole Miss that the scholarship offer was contingent on his health. "   When the recruit, Mario Mathis, visited Ole Miss recently it was obvious he still had issues with his movement.   Both parents and Hugh Freeze agreed to release Mario from his commitment.  However,  the scholarship offer stands if Mario returns to full strength.

Just horrible, shocking behavior there -- the kid's own parents colluding with the evil CFB coach to steal their son of his god given right to play football under scholarship.

Maybe the justice department will launch an investigation, to see if his civil rights are being violated.

[CDBHawg]

Saban is a great model to follow.

[The_Boot_stops_here]

Yes, they should.  You make the offer, you ought to have to be committed.  At some point, some part of this process ought to favor the athlete.

so if the kid commits to a school, he shouldn't be able to change his mid either, right?...i'd say the part of the process that favors the athlete is the free education

[Fatty McGee]

so if the kid commits to a school, he shouldn't be able to change his mid either, right?...i'd say the part of the process that favors the athlete is the free education

You have an odd definition of free. And I think the athlete ought to have the same freedom a coach does to change their mind.

[CDBHawg]

You have an odd definition of free. And I think the athlete ought to have the same freedom a coach does to change their mind.

Too bad what any of us think doesn't matter.

[bigdaddyhawg]

You have an odd definition of free. And I think the athlete ought to have the same freedom a coach does to change their mind.

They do have the same freedom.

A student-athlete has complete freedom to leave his school and transfer to any other school any time he wishes, given whatever academic transfer issues apply, just as with any other student.

If a student-athlete wishes to transfer and play immediately, he has the complete freedom to transfer to a school in a lower classification, which is no way prevents him from continuing his playing career.

Truth is, most, if not all, student-athletes playing at high D1 programs would have more options to transfer to other programs than 90+% of ALL D1 coaches would to get other coaching jobs at D1 programs.