Holy Toledo (part 3 or 7?)

[Dr. Starcs]

Toledo down to Temple, end of 1st quarter. 3-0

[HOGS82]

Temple has a solid team this year, not much of a surprise...

[Dr. Starcs]

Yes I know. I believe temple is favored. Just wanted to bring up the thread since its the only game on tonight.

[King Kong]

Toledo up 9-3

[PigTales]

Toledo looking pretty tough..up 12-3

[intelligence]

Toledo looking pretty tough..up 12-3

beat me to it. this makes our loss to them look better than it was.

[HogimusMaximus]

beat me to it. this makes our loss to them look better than it was.

I guess, but it was still a terrible loss.

[King Kong]

I guess, but it was still a terrible loss.

This would give Toledo more wins over ranked teams than Ohio State had this year

[bphi11ips]

Bad matchup for Arkansas. Strong defense against the run; strong QB with quick release. Not as bad a loss as it will be remembered as being.

[jkstock04]

I wouldn't want the Hogs to play them again that's for sure. They have absolutely embarrassed Temple.

[bphi11ips]

I wouldn't want the Hogs to play them again that's for sure. They have absolutely embarrassed Temple.

We would beat them now because Brandon Allen and Dan Enos are clicking, but it would be a good game.

[Atlhogfan1]

Hogs would win 9 out of 10 vs Toledo. Probably more like 98 out of 100.  515 yards to 318.  Penalties and mistakes at the worst possible time led to an upset loss.  A bad loss which shouldn't have happened. 

[PORKULATOR]

Don't forget the phantom call on the punt return in that game.

[code red]

Hogs would win 9 out of 10 vs Toledo. Probably more like 98 out of 100.  515 yards to 318.  Penalties and mistakes at the worst possible time led to an upset loss.  A bad loss which shouldn't have happened.

Nope but, things happen for a reason.  Texas Tech whipped us the next week and we collapsed vs A&M so hard to just pick out Toledo.  Next year needs to be about winning.

[Atlhogfan1]

Nope but, things happen for a reason.  Texas Tech whipped us the next week and we collapsed vs A&M so hard to just pick out Toledo.  Next year needs to be about winning.

TT whipped us.  They were the bad matchup.  Different than what happened vs Toledo. 

[bphi11ips]

TT whipped us.  They were the bad matchup.  Different than what happened vs Toledo. 

Toledo would beat Texas Tech.

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

Toledo would beat Texas Tech.

With their disruptive DL, I think you're right.

[Atlhogfan1]

Toledo would beat Texas Tech.

Maybe.  What does that have to do with how we played either team? 

[jlrock]

Don't forget the phantom call on the punt return in that game.

Love it when we as fans do this.  I wish I had better seats but was right there and it was a easy holding call.  The thing is you don't even really block the punter, your returner has to be able to beat that guy......

[bphi11ips]

Maybe.  What does that have to do with how we played either team? 

Was that the question?  Thought it was about matchups.  One is forward looking, the other is hindsight.

At the moment the Hogs should beat either team.  Toledo is the tougher matchup, in my opinion, because of their defense.  Both teams have a QB who would give us fits.

[gmarv]

the way we are playing now we are at least 2 tds better than Toledo. tt is just a bad matchup for us but we could win or lose in a 52-51 kind of a game against them.against a&m I don,t know what to make of that matchup.

[scruf]

Good thing injuries weren't a factor this season.

[thefisher]

Good thing injuries weren't a factor this season.

Don't go derailing a pretty good fantasy thread by injecting all that actual fact crap into it!!!

[scruf]

Don't go derailing a pretty good fantasy thread by injecting all that actual fact crap into it!!!

My bad. Sorry.

[longpig]

Temple/Toledo was a solid game, no doubt.  If Toledo can perform like that missing most their coaches, we don't have any excuses being down one.

[urkillnmesmalls]

I'm not sure what the explanation is on why we started so slow, but I think we would best Toledo, TT, and TAMU now.  But...that's what has to change.  At some point, we have to show we can start the season where we left off the previous one.  Juggling assistants can't be helping that much...

Even with that...throw out the penalties and injuries...and we're a MUCH better team that those three we lost to early.  That's a positive. 

[Hoggish1]

Hogs would win 9 out of 10 vs Toledo. Probably more like 98 out of 100.  515 yards to 318.  Penalties and mistakes at the worst possible time led to an upset loss.  A bad loss which shouldn't have happened. 

Why stop there. Hogs would win100 of 100!

[Atlhogfan1]

Why stop there. Hogs would win100 of 100!

darn happens as we found out

Most every team every season has that game where what can go wrong does.  It is how upsets happen.  It was one of those days for the Hogs from the beginning.  Even with our oline looking unprepared for what Toledo's front was doing and Ely's quick passing attacking the middle of the field, the Hogs were better.  Failed to execute in the red zone, penalties at the worst time, mental mistakes at the worst time, injuries,...  This is why if we had a rematch with them I would be very confident in the Hogs.  TT would be different. 

[jry04]

Bad matchup for Arkansas. Strong defense against the run; strong QB with quick release. Not as bad a loss as it will be remembered as being.

We shut them down for the most part. They scored 16 points, and we had something like 6 trips to the red zone go scoreless. It was one of the biggest flukes of the year in college football basing it off the box score. Most teams would find a way to convert half their trips down there in some form or fashion. Everything that went wrong for us did. Play them today and we win by 20+. If Allen threw for 400 back then when he was struggling and we had not really used Reed or Morgan much, imaging what he would do now.

[PORKULATOR]

Love it when we as fans do this.  I wish I had better seats but was right there and it was a easy holding call.  The thing is you don't even really block the punter, your returner has to be able to beat that guy......

not a holding call, the block in the back that didn't happen, I may have the wrong game. Didn't we return a punt for 6 and it get called back in that game?

[jlrock]

not a holding call, the block in the back that didn't happen, I may have the wrong game. Didn't we return a punt for 6 and it get called back in that game?

The Toledo game we did.  JC took the punt back I forget who did the holding but when the guy tried to turn back to make a play lets just say he could not turn around.  Was a day many of us would like to forget for sure

[Iwastherein1969]

TTech nor Toledo would stay within double digits wth the Hogs right now

[Nipsey Mussle]

Hogs would win 9 out of 10 vs Toledo. Probably more like 98 out of 100.  515 yards to 318.  Penalties and mistakes at the worst possible time led to an upset loss.  A bad loss which shouldn't have happened.

100% this and I can't believe so many have trouble understanding it. That game was as big of an anomaly as you will see. With the same stats, we easily should've beaten them that game. But we most assuredly beat them now b/c we cut out the penalties and stupid plays. There were so many mistakes on our part in that game and we still had ample chance to win. Just take away Hawkins absurd decision to hold the punter on the punt return, and we win.

[Nipsey Mussle]

TTech nor Toledo would stay within double digits wth the Hogs right now

I think TTU possibly could. We still can't defend decent qb's in the spread, that never changed. We would score 70 on them, but im not sure if that would be enough.