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Next Year
« on: March 19, 2017, 08:11:44 pm »

lets hear it experts.....

where do we go from here?

we need a true PG! who fills that role? Does Beard turn the page and become a leader and floor general?

I sure hope that Barford and Macon both return.

great games... we were close
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 09:08:03 pm »

A small step backward.

The rest of the SEC is going to take a step forward, and we're going to be about the same, maybe a little worse early.

Look for 23, 24 wins, and either just missing the tourney or just getting in;  things that can change this are early impressive wins in the Phil Knight tournament.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 09:11:05 pm »

A small step backward.

The rest of the SEC is going to take a step forward, and we're going to be about the same, maybe a little worse early.

Look for 23, 24 wins, and either just missing the tourney or just getting in;  things that can change this are early impressive wins in the Phil Knight tournament.
And that's IF everybody returns and no injuries. I would still be trying to find a true PG who can also score when needed
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 09:16:10 pm »

We will be even better next season.

We will be different, much longer on the perimeter and much more athletic as a team.

We should be a team that can be tremendous defensively, which we were not this season.

The conference is shaping up to be much tougher, but SC will have a big drop and if Robinson leaves Fla they will take a step back as well. Bama, Auburn, and Tenn will step up to take their places. It's good for our tourney hopes though. A tougher conference actually makes it easier to get in the tournament. More opportunities for good wins.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 09:18:02 pm »

And that's IF everybody returns and no injuries. I would still be trying to find a true PG who can also score when needed

That's one big wish is a stud point guard....

I thought Beard was the answer but he seemed to take a step backwards the last year or so..
Alabama and Vandy will be pretty good next year
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2017, 09:23:53 pm »

If everyone who is eligible returns, a few players make big strides in the offseason (namely Jones and Bailey), and Gafford makes a big impact we could be quite a bit better.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 09:33:22 pm »

Biggest missing piece will be a lockdown center. We're going to have a lot of pretty pieces, hope the jive quickly and become a force.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 09:37:03 pm »

Can't wait to see what type of jump Jones can make. MA has shown at every stop he can take a player with pieces there and develop him into a pro prospect.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2017, 09:38:51 pm »

Biggest missing piece will be a lockdown center. We're going to have a lot of pretty pieces, hope the jive quickly and become a force.

I have high hopes for this for the mere fact that a TON of these guys played together all through MS/HS in arkansas. Woo PIG!
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2017, 09:40:23 pm »

I believe people estimating another guaranteed step forward next year are forgetting gafford will require some time.  He's not going to be a day one Moses replacement.   We will be back to a few years ago where we got dominated in the paint for a bit.  Our guard and wing play however will be pretty salty, will this make up for the drop off in paint play?  Well got to wait a year to find out. 
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2017, 09:40:52 pm »

That's one big wish is a stud point guard....

I thought Beard was the answer but he seemed to take a step backwards the last year or so..
Alabama and Vandy will be pretty good next year
No doubt but we still need one.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2017, 09:44:42 pm »

A small step backward.

The rest of the SEC is going to take a step forward, and we're going to be about the same, maybe a little worse early.

Look for 23, 24 wins, and either just missing the tourney or just getting in;  things that can change this are early impressive wins in the Phil Knight tournament.
How is the entire SEC going to take a step forward but we are the only team to take a step backwards?
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2017, 10:21:37 pm »

How is the entire SEC going to take a step forward but we are the only team to take a step backwards?

Exactly. The majority of the league outside of Kentucky, Florida and Arkansas is full of schools that have a history of always underachieving when faced with expectations. Will they take a small, incremental step forward? possibly, but they're still football schools. I'll believe it when I see it with Alabama, Auburn, and others being remarkably better. South Carolina loses their best player
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2017, 10:27:45 pm »

I don't think you will see Barford back.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2017, 10:59:27 pm »

I'm interested to see Hazen on the floor more and I would love to see Trey slim back down. Moses plays an insane amount of minutes for a big in a fast offense and I don't know that Trey in his current shape and a green Gafford will be able to fill those shoes.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2017, 09:58:11 am »

I believe people estimating another guaranteed step forward next year are forgetting gafford will require some time.  He's not going to be a day one Moses replacement.   We will be back to a few years ago where we got dominated in the paint for a bit.  Our guard and wing play however will be pretty salty, will this make up for the drop off in paint play?  Well got to wait a year to find out.
We will not get dominated in the paint. If Gafford doesn't do anything else he will protect the rim and rebound.  He has a natural gift for those two things. He might not score as much as Moses but he will patrol the paint area. He want switch out on guards as much as Moses does either which should be a good thing for rebounding, and changing or blocking shots.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2017, 09:59:45 am »

I don't think you will see Barford back.
Where is he going? You think he's good enough to be drafted? He needs to work on being more consistent with his 3 point shot. A 6'3 combo guard without a good 3 point shot or a great mid-range shot doesn't bold well for the NBA. There's a reason BJ Young didn't make it.

He can become at least a 40% 3 point shooter then he might be in business.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2017, 10:27:44 am »

So hard to know how players will react to stepping up a level, but you have to think the Hogs maybe better next year. Surely by 2018.

I mean you have 2 great SR guards to lead your team, you have veterans on the front line to pair with explosive young freshman.  We will surely miss the trio of SR's leaving this team but Macon and Barford absolutely look the part, and Gafford and Garland i believe will more than carry their weight.

I am just glad Hawgball appears to be back on solid footing.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2017, 10:53:16 am »

If Jones and Bailey make marked improvements we will be good. MA has shown he can coach guys up so - heres to hoping.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2017, 01:43:59 pm »

If we start Beard, Macon, Barford, Thomas, and Thompson we will have a 5 senior starting lineup. When is the last time that has happened at Arkansas? That will be a good start for next year. Plenty of experience if nothing else. Should have a good mixture or veteran and youth next year. I just hope he plays Gafford and Thompson together a lot next year especially against the bigger teams to help shore up some of the rebounding woes. If we force tough shots Gafford will get the rebound. He will be one of the quickest 2nd jumpers we've ever had at Arkansas.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2017, 03:07:28 pm »

How is the entire SEC going to take a step forward but we are the only team to take a step backwards?

Pretty easily.  We're going to lose a few key things from this squad, that are not readily replaceable:

1)  A reliable rebounder and defensive anchor.
2)  The ability to flex two proven perimeter shooting threats onto the court for 30+ minutes of the game.

Yes, we get a talent influx-- but talent needs seasoning and experience, particularly on the defensive end.     The good news is that we should be better defending other backcourts with maturity and development there, and less minutes going to outright athletic liabilities.

The bad news is that the losses early in the year, while we are finding our feet, will count just as much as the wins later in the year will as these players grow towards a good 2018.

Most of the SEC is in better shape, in terms of what returns vs. what they lose, than we are.  And that will matter a fair amount, unless Gafford just comes in and blows the doors off of people on the glass and defensively.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2017, 03:09:59 pm »

Exactly. The majority of the league outside of Kentucky, Florida and Arkansas is full of schools that have a history of always underachieving when faced with expectations. Will they take a small, incremental step forward? possibly, but they're still football schools. I'll believe it when I see it with Alabama, Auburn, and others being remarkably better. South Carolina loses their best player

We're not the only ones recruiting better, and the improved scheduling league wide has done a great deal to season the on-court talent at other places.   No one else loses as much as we do-- pending the Kentucky mass defections to the draft-- but they are going to reload, regardless.

2017 should be a small step back.   We'll be much worse early, and grow throughout the year-- and could even end the season as a better team than this year's edition-- but that is unlikely to be reflected in W-L, or in postseason achievement.      If we make the tournament next year, Mike will have done a *hell* of a good job.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2017, 03:14:21 pm »

True point guard concerns me the most. Turnovers kill our play style if we start coughing it up. Big man doesn't concern me as much since there just aren't many good ones out there.

I do think we will be two wins better if Macon and Barford are back
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2017, 03:47:22 pm »

Pretty easily.  We're going to lose a few key things from this squad, that are not readily replaceable:

1)  A reliable rebounder and defensive anchor.
2)  The ability to flex two proven perimeter shooting threats onto the court for 30+ minutes of the game.

Yes, we get a talent influx-- but talent needs seasoning and experience, particularly on the defensive end.     The good news is that we should be better defending other backcourts with maturity and development there, and less minutes going to outright athletic liabilities.

The bad news is that the losses early in the year, while we are finding our feet, will count just as much as the wins later in the year will as these players grow towards a good 2018.

Most of the SEC is in better shape, in terms of what returns vs. what they lose, than we are.  And that will matter a fair amount, unless Gafford just comes in and blows the doors off of people on the glass and defensively.

Fans often expect too much of frosh too quickly, but they also frequently underestimate the improvement of the returning roster, especially those guys with limited minutes. Nobody expected Kingsley to be as good as he was last season.  Likewise, a lot of folks didn't even have Qualls starting after his frosh year.  Terence Davis at Ole Miss went from 7 minutes per game to one of the leading scorers in the SEC. 

On paper I agree that next year looks more likely to be treading water or incremental improvement.  However, players like Bailey, Jones, Hazen, Cook, and Thomas may surprise with larger roles and a summer of development.  Some frosh don't need seasoning.  Thurman comes to mind.  As good as Macon and Barford were this season, I believe both could improve significantly, which would be a scary backcourt. You always have a chance with guards. So, who knows?
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2017, 06:37:50 pm »

Fans often expect too much of frosh too quickly, but they also frequently underestimate the improvement of the returning roster, especially those guys with limited minutes. Nobody expected Kingsley to be as good as he was last season.  Likewise, a lot of folks didn't even have Qualls starting after his frosh year.  Terence Davis at Ole Miss went from 7 minutes per game to one of the leading scorers in the SEC. 

On paper I agree that next year looks more likely to be treading water or incremental improvement.  However, players like Bailey, Jones, Hazen, Cook, and Thomas may surprise with larger roles and a summer of development.  Some frosh don't need seasoning.  Thurman comes to mind.  As good as Macon and Barford were this season, I believe both could improve significantly, which would be a scary backcourt. You always have a chance with guards. So, who knows?

You could see Kingsley coming, even as a sophomore;  the tools were visible as a freshman, but he was a foul waiting to happen, and his sophomore year he started putting together the ability to play in stretches without fouling his way off the floor.

Developmentally, it isn't hard to see where most of this roster is going to be.   Ideally, you hope Bailey can be a Thomas-this-year  like performer,   that Thomas can expand his offensive role and get a bit more rebounding as he has more consistent burn (with hopefully fewer fast foul issues)--   but asking Gafford to step in and even approach replacement level frontcourt starter play is a huge reach.      Give the kid the time to put it together.

Its worth remembering that Gafford and Kingsley had some eerie parallels, when it came to player evals--  ESPN's Top 100 service pegs them both at #43 in their respective classes-- with overall ratings of an identical 88.

Kingsley didn't exactly blow things up out of the gate here, so let's slow the roll on these sky high expectations of Gafford to suddenly come in and play All-SEC defense and POTY candidate level overall as a freshman.

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Re: Next Year
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2017, 06:53:03 pm »

I don't think Bailey averaging 2pts a game next year is his ideal development potential.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2017, 07:33:01 pm »

That's one big wish is a stud point guard....

I thought Beard was the answer but he seemed to take a step backwards the last year or so..
Alabama and Vandy will be pretty good next year
yeah, you were trippin on that. i never never been a fan, personally. dude seems very selfish. Can't have a selfish PG.
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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2017, 07:37:43 pm »

You could see Kingsley coming, even as a sophomore;  the tools were visible as a freshman, but he was a foul waiting to happen, and his sophomore year he started putting together the ability to play in stretches without fouling his way off the floor.

Developmentally, it isn't hard to see where most of this roster is going to be.   Ideally, you hope Bailey can be a Thomas-this-year  like performer,   that Thomas can expand his offensive role and get a bit more rebounding as he has more consistent burn (with hopefully fewer fast foul issues)--   but asking Gafford to step in and even approach replacement level frontcourt starter play is a huge reach.      Give the kid the time to put it together.

Its worth remembering that Gafford and Kingsley had some eerie parallels, when it came to player evals--  ESPN's Top 100 service pegs them both at #43 in their respective classes-- with overall ratings of an identical 88.

Kingsley didn't exactly blow things up out of the gate here, so let's slow the roll on these sky high expectations of Gafford to suddenly come in and play All-SEC defense and POTY candidate level overall as a freshman.


Some good thought here, but I think you are overlooking the fact that MK was stuck behind BP for two years which didn't allow him to really show case anything in such limited time. As a true freshman Moses was the most efficient player stat wise, he just didn't get enough playing time to get significant numbers. So while it looked like Moses exploded onto the scene last year, much of that could be attributed to actually getting to play instead of watch.
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2017, 08:00:51 pm »

You could see Kingsley coming, even as a sophomore;  the tools were visible as a freshman, but he was a foul waiting to happen, and his sophomore year he started putting together the ability to play in stretches without fouling his way off the floor.

Developmentally, it isn't hard to see where most of this roster is going to be.   Ideally, you hope Bailey can be a Thomas-this-year  like performer,   that Thomas can expand his offensive role and get a bit more rebounding as he has more consistent burn (with hopefully fewer fast foul issues)--   but asking Gafford to step in and even approach replacement level frontcourt starter play is a huge reach.      Give the kid the time to put it together.

Its worth remembering that Gafford and Kingsley had some eerie parallels, when it came to player evals--  ESPN's Top 100 service pegs them both at #43 in their respective classes-- with overall ratings of an identical 88.

Kingsley didn't exactly blow things up out of the gate here, so let's slow the roll on these sky high expectations of Gafford to suddenly come in and play All-SEC defense and POTY candidate level overall as a freshman.
Moses also only played a few years before coming to Arkansas, and played a limited role offensively at Huntington Prep. He averaged 8 points, 8 rebounds his senior season. He only scored 20 points 2 times his senior season. I get he played with Wiggins, but 8 points is still extremely low. He was ranked high because it was easy to see his potential. Moses also was ranked 48th on the 247 consensus ranking. Gafford is 33rd. I personally think Gafford has much closer to a Bobby P type freshman season than a Moses type freshman season. Gafford may not be as good of a shot blocker, but will likely be a better rebounder from day 1.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2017, 08:24:32 pm »

Moses also only played a few years before coming to Arkansas, and played a limited role offensively at Huntington Prep. He averaged 8 points, 8 rebounds his senior season. He only scored 20 points 2 times his senior season. I get he played with Wiggins, but 8 points is still extremely low. He was ranked high because it was easy to see his potential. Moses also was ranked 48th on the 247 consensus ranking. Gafford is 33rd. I personally think Gafford has much closer to a Bobby P type freshman season than a Moses type freshman season. Gafford may not be as good of a shot blocker, but will likely be a better rebounder from day 1.

He's going to be be at minimum the 5th best rebounder in the history of the program?

That's a ridiculously high standard to hold Gafford to, and as unrealistic as can be.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2017, 08:39:34 pm »

.........
We will be different, much longer on the perimeter and much more athletic as a team.
This is how I see it, plus we'll be vastly better defensively......
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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2017, 08:47:47 pm »

He's going to be be at minimum the 5th best rebounder in the history of the program?

That's a ridiculously high standard to hold Gafford to, and as unrealistic as can be.
You are smart enough to understand that Moses having the 6th most rebounds over 4 seasons does not make him the 6th best rebounder in our history. I have seen Gafford 10+ times in the last two years, and I feel comfortable enough saying his rebounding will be great. If Gafford stays for 4 years injury free, which I doubt he does, he will 100% finish ahead of Moses in total rebounds.

Most of the top rebounders in our program's history either played fewer games each season or were good enough to leave before 4 seasons. Moses had 5 rebounds yesterday. 4 of his last 5 games he had 5, 6, 6, and 6 rebounds. That is a 6'10" SR averaging 28 minutes per game. There were a total of 73 shots missed between the two teams, and Moses played 32 minutes and came down with 5 boards. He had 10 games out of 36 where he had double digit rebounds. Solid, but not great.  Gafford is supposed to be a great rebounder. Out of the top 10 total rebounders in Arkansas history, Moses played more games than all but Oliver Miller. Miller had 886 rebounds in 136 games, and Moses has 768 in 136 games. Kleine had 806 in 97 games. The 4 guys below Moses played at least 11 games fewer.


Portis had 321 rebounds in 36 games at 27 mpg his Sophomore season. Moses had 277 in 36 games this year at 27.7 mpg.

Moses was not even top 100 in rebounds per game or rebounds per 40 this year. I do not consider him a great rebounder, but I do appreciate everything he did for our program.


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Re: Next Year
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2017, 08:50:05 pm »

You are smart enough to understand that Moses having the 6th most rebounds over 4 seasons does not make him the 6th best rebounder in our history. I have seen Gafford 10+ times in the kast two years, and I feel comfortable enough saying his rebounding will be great. If Gafford stays for 4 years injury free, which I doubt he does, he will 100% finish ahead of Moses in total rebounds.

Most of the top rebounders in our program's history either played fewer games each season or were good enough to leave before 4 seasons. Moses had 5 rebounds yesterday. 4 of his last 5 games he had 5, 6, 6, and 6 rebounds. That is a 6'10" SR averaging 28 minutes per game. There were a total of 73 shots missed between the two teams, and Moses played 32 minutes and came down with 5 boards. He had 10 games out of 36 where he had double digit rebounds. Solid, but not great.  Gafford is supposed to be a great rebounder. Out of the top 10 rebounders in Arkansas history, Moses played more than all but Oliver Miller. Miller had 886 rebounds in 136 games, and Moses has 768 in 136 games. Kleine had 806 in 97 games. The 4 guys below Moses played at least 11 games fewer.


Portis had 321 rebounds in 36 games at 27 mpg his Sophomore season. Moses had 277 in 36 games this year at 27.7 mpg .






If anything, what you argue is that Moses was a significantly better than 6th best ever, simply because he played so little and so ineffectively his freshman and sophomore seasons-- so his effectiveness has been packed into the last two years.

Rebounds per minutes played, which is the best measure,  also puts Moses as 8th in program history-- which aught to be a sobering thought, for those who expect Gafford to somehow step into that role.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2017, 08:59:21 pm »


If anything, what you argue is that Moses was a significantly better than 6th best ever, simply because he played so little and so ineffectively his freshman and sophomore seasons-- so his effectiveness has been packed into the last two years.

Rebounds per minutes played, which is the best measure,  also puts Moses as 8th in program history-- which aught to be a sobering thought, for those who expect Gafford to somehow step into that role.
I stand by what I said. Gafford will be a better rebounder. I will not guarantee he will be a better defender, score more points, or even be a better overall player. I think he has potential to be though. However, he will be a better rebounder. We can agree to disagree.

You literally just said Gafford would have to be the 5th best rebounder in our history to be better than Moses, then post that the best indication is rebounds per minute and it puts him at 8th. So does he need to be 5th best or does he nees to be 8th best?

For the record, I think Moses is a good rebounder. I am just saying Gafford is going to be a great rebounder. 

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Re: Next Year
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2017, 09:13:50 pm »

I predict next years team will be right about where this team was in late Jan/early Feb 2018....about 17-7 or so.  Then, we will see if they improve like this team did down the stretch.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2017, 09:19:03 pm »

right now we are 20-12 21-11 for next year   

if  Ark can start  10-1 11-2   win 13 conf games   and the SEC as a league gets better   ark at best is a 6  at worse  a 2 or 3 seed in NIT 
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2017, 09:22:11 pm »

I predict next years team will be right about where this team was in late Jan/early Feb 2018....about 17-7 or so.  Then, we will see if they improve like this team did down the stretch.
Hard to say without seeing the schedule. However, next year's team will have 6 seniors, and will only have 3, maybe 4 new comers. This year's team had 7 new comers, and 3-4 were relied on heavily. Thomas, Macon, Barford, Bailey, and Cook were all in the rotation, and none had played in a Razorback uniform, and 4 had never even played division 1 basketball. Cook, Thomas, Barford, and Macon played all 36 games, and combined to average 79.9 minutes per game. Bailey played 27 games, and averaged 7 minutes per game.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2017, 09:23:05 pm »

right now we are 20-12 21-11 for next year   

if  Ark can start  10-1 11-2   win 13 conf games   and the SEC as a league gets better   ark at best is a 6  at worse  a 2 or 3 seed in NIT 
What games do you have us losing since we have no idea what our schedule is?


I like your prediction though. "You said 19-12, NIT, and a new coach" before this season. So if you are 4+ games off again for next season we are sitting pretty.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2017, 09:32:13 pm »


If anything, what you argue is that Moses was a significantly better than 6th best ever, simply because he played so little and so ineffectively his freshman and sophomore seasons-- so his effectiveness has been packed into the last two years.

Rebounds per minutes played, which is the best measure,  also puts Moses as 8th in program history-- which aught to be a sobering thought, for those who expect Gafford to somehow step into that role.
I'd argue, short of another Bobby Portis or Corliss Williamson walking through the door, Moses Kingsley was about the perfect 5 position for what Anderson wants to do. Aggressive rebounder, tough defender, and on offense could stretch the defense all the way to the three point line. I think his offensive versatility will be especially hard to replace combined with his ability at the other end.

People are underestimating how hard it will be to replace him. Gafford could come in and have a heck of a freshman season and it'll still be a bit of a drop off. I think he can develop into that player down low but it won't be on day one.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2017, 09:34:24 pm »

What games do you have us losing?

plob  will be 10-8 or 12-6  in SEC   u have to assume  BAMA and LSU  will improve   missouri  seems to only play aga Ark    UF and UK  will be top 25 good   Vandy  will be good  UGA  is up/down 

5 SR starters wouild be good   but they were times where ark went on 4 or 5 min stnech without scoring 
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2017, 09:43:08 pm »

What games do you have us losing since we have no idea what our schedule is?


I like your prediction though. "You said 19-12, NIT, and a new coach" before this season. So if you are 4+ games off again for next season we are sitting pretty.


yes i did  i hope they win every game  but i try to be reallic   i wouild had been a play by play guy  had i not deloped chronic fatiue syndrome   or a high school coach   
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2017, 09:45:24 pm »

In a perfect world we'd have a point guard who can break down the defense, create and see the floor well.  Not a lot of those around.  I'd settle for another Jabril Durham who developed into a fine PG his senior season.  Barford can break down the D but is not a great passer.  Macon is more of a 2 guard.  I don't think Beard is quick enough or a good enough ball handler.  We have lots of 2 guards but no point guards.  Maybe someone will step up and become that missing link or we find another JC guy? 
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2017, 09:50:08 pm »

If we make the tournament next year, Mike will have done a *hell* of a good job.

Again.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2017, 10:11:03 pm »

What we have seen so far in the NCAA is the exposure of the "big shots" i.e. Duke, North Carolina and the facade they have been displaying for the past couple of years. We have seen the  proof that "balance" is in play and the primary recruits aren't flocking to those schools as they did in the past. The result is that they have suddenly become vulnerable. Arkansas couldn't put NC away and had a great chance and SC did because Frank Martin is in control and gets results for his efforts and is well "on time" in his redevelopment of SC Basketball, in short, he is a very good coach. Mike Anderson, of course, is a different story in that he finished where he did because and I have said it many times, the SEC was very short on teams this year and there was only a few who stood out. Arkansas was among them but still can't hurdle Kentucky and Florida who are still in the big show. My prediction next year for the Razorbacks is mediocre because it appears that Mike Anderson, as he has in the past, hasn't provided for a replacement for the late blooming Moses Kingsley. The rest of the weakened SEC will blossom next year again and Arkansas won't fare as well as they have this year.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2017, 10:21:24 pm »

What we have seen so far in the NCAA is the exposure of the "big shots" i.e. Duke, North Carolina and the facade they have been displaying for the past couple of years. We have seen the  proof that "balance" is in play and the primary recruits aren't flocking to those schools as they did in the past. The result is that they have suddenly become vulnerable. Arkansas couldn't put NC away and had a great chance and SC did because Frank Martin is in control and gets results for his efforts and is well "on time" in his redevelopment of SC Basketball, in short, he is a very good coach. Mike Anderson, of course, is a different story in that he finished where he did because and I have said it many times, the SEC was very short on teams this year and there was only a few who stood out. Arkansas was among them but still can't hurdle Kentucky and Florida who are still in the big show. My prediction next year for the Razorbacks is mediocre because it appears that Mike Anderson, as he has in the past, hasn't provided for a replacement for the late blooming Moses Kingsley. The rest of the weakened SEC will blossom next year again and Arkansas won't fare as well as they have this year.

Daniel Gafford and Trey Thompson will be enough to replace Kingsley.

Frank Martin coached team finished behind Arkansas in the SEC and they needed a favorable seed and site to make the 16.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2017, 10:59:05 pm »

I'd argue, short of another Bobby Portis or Corliss Williamson walking through the door, Moses Kingsley was about the perfect 5 position for what Anderson wants to do. Aggressive rebounder, tough defender, and on offense could stretch the defense all the way to the three point line. I think his offensive versatility will be especially hard to replace combined with his ability at the other end.

People are underestimating how hard it will be to replace him. Gafford could come in and have a heck of a freshman season and it'll still be a bit of a drop off. I think he can develop into that player down low but it won't be on day one.
I never said Gafford will be as good of a player as Moses day 1. I only said he will be as good of a rebounder.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2017, 09:11:37 am »

Pretty easily.  We're going to lose a few key things from this squad, that are not readily replaceable:

1)  A reliable rebounder and defensive anchor.
2)  The ability to flex two proven perimeter shooting threats onto the court for 30+ minutes of the game.

Yes, we get a talent influx-- but talent needs seasoning and experience, particularly on the defensive end.     The good news is that we should be better defending other backcourts with maturity and development there, and less minutes going to outright athletic liabilities.

The bad news is that the losses early in the year, while we are finding our feet, will count just as much as the wins later in the year will as these players grow towards a good 2018.

Most of the SEC is in better shape, in terms of what returns vs. what they lose, than we are.  And that will matter a fair amount, unless Gafford just comes in and blows the doors off of people on the glass and defensively.
Which he will do indeed.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2017, 09:15:16 am »

You could see Kingsley coming, even as a sophomore;  the tools were visible as a freshman, but he was a foul waiting to happen, and his sophomore year he started putting together the ability to play in stretches without fouling his way off the floor.

Developmentally, it isn't hard to see where most of this roster is going to be.   Ideally, you hope Bailey can be a Thomas-this-year  like performer,   that Thomas can expand his offensive role and get a bit more rebounding as he has more consistent burn (with hopefully fewer fast foul issues)--   but asking Gafford to step in and even approach replacement level frontcourt starter play is a huge reach.      Give the kid the time to put it together.

Its worth remembering that Gafford and Kingsley had some eerie parallels, when it came to player evals--  ESPN's Top 100 service pegs them both at #43 in their respective classes-- with overall ratings of an identical 88.

Kingsley didn't exactly blow things up out of the gate here, so let's slow the roll on these sky high expectations of Gafford to suddenly come in and play All-SEC defense and POTY candidate level overall as a freshman.
Let's also not forget that Gafford has been playing basketball a lot longer than Kingsley even though he's younger.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2017, 09:16:16 am »

We're not the only ones recruiting better, and the improved scheduling league wide has done a great deal to season the on-court talent at other places.   No one else loses as much as we do-- pending the Kentucky mass defections to the draft-- but they are going to reload, regardless.

2017 should be a small step back.   We'll be much worse early, and grow throughout the year-- and could even end the season as a better team than this year's edition-- but that is unlikely to be reflected in W-L, or in postseason achievement.      If we make the tournament next year, Mike will have done a *hell* of a good job.
Get ready for a hell of a job then. I think we'll even be a higher seed.
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Re: Next Year
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2017, 09:25:07 am »

What we have seen so far in the NCAA is the exposure of the "big shots" i.e. Duke, North Carolina and the facade they have been displaying for the past couple of years. We have seen the  proof that "balance" is in play and the primary recruits aren't flocking to those schools as they did in the past. The result is that they have suddenly become vulnerable. Arkansas couldn't put NC away and had a great chance and SC did because Frank Martin is in control and gets results for his efforts and is well "on time" in his redevelopment of SC Basketball, in short, he is a very good coach. Mike Anderson, of course, is a different story in that he finished where he did because and I have said it many times, the SEC was very short on teams this year and there was only a few who stood out. Arkansas was among them but still can't hurdle Kentucky and Florida who are still in the big show. My prediction next year for the Razorbacks is mediocre because it appears that Mike Anderson, as he has in the past, hasn't provided for a replacement for the late blooming Moses Kingsley. The rest of the weakened SEC will blossom next year again and Arkansas won't fare as well as they have this year.

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