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Ladyback basketball is a lost cause.
« on: March 18, 2017, 08:52:27 am »

With the top rated players and other players transferring,  with a player decommitting, and the best player in the state not even considering Arkansas, regardless of who the next coach is, it is hopeless. And, I don't have the time or patience wait the 5 years or more it would take for ladyback basketball to be competitive.

If it wasn't for Title IX, we should drop women's basketball.  However, there is no need to waste money on expensive coaches. Just have volunteer coaches and pay for expenses and recruit the few player that have extremely high SAT scores; the type that would be given academic scholarships.  That way the cost would be minimal and we would still give the athletic scholarships to help meet Title IX requirements.

So what if they don't win a game and lose most  games by 50, the families and friends would still buy tickets and not many more than that are going to the games anyway.
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Re: Ladyback basketball is a lost cause.
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 09:11:04 am »

No doubt there are high school coaches in this state who could do a much better job than our last 3 coaches.

And they'd probably do it for 1/3 of the salary.
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Re: Ladyback basketball is a lost cause.
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2017, 09:30:55 am »

The OP couldn't be any further from being accurate. The next hire is going to be the right one and he will get the ship moving in the right direction. We will see improvement next season. Move away from the ledge
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2017, 09:40:09 am »

The OP couldn't be any further from being accurate. The next hire is going to be the right one and he will get the ship moving in the right direction. We will see improvement next season. Move away from the ledge

haha, good one and accurate.  The darkness hour is just before the dawn.
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Re: Ladyback basketball is a lost cause.
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2017, 09:55:33 am »

There is a darkness hour just after sunset as well. :)
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2017, 10:16:37 am »

There is a darkness hour just after sunset as well. :)

well dark is dark, keep saying it!  How right you are!  But then I think everyone will rejoice at the dawn by the end of the month.
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Re: Ladyback basketball is a lost cause.
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2017, 10:21:43 am »

With the top rated players and other players transferring,  with a player decommitting, and the best player in the state not even considering Arkansas, regardless of who the next coach is, it is hopeless. And, I don't have the time or patience wait the 5 years or more it would take for ladyback basketball to be competitive.

If it wasn't for Title IX, we should drop women's basketball.  However, there is no need to waste money on expensive coaches. Just have volunteer coaches and pay for expenses and recruit the few player that have extremely high SAT scores; the type that would be given academic scholarships.  That way the cost would be minimal and we would still give the athletic scholarships to help meet Title IX requirements.

So what if they don't win a game and lose most  games by 50, the families and friends would still buy tickets and not many more than that are going to the games anyway.

This is ridiculous on multiple levels.  First, it's a recommendation to try to circumvent the intent of Title IX which has had huge benefits to women's athletics and to the millions of high school and college women participating.  Second, all programs go through ups and downs and while women's basketball here has not yet achieved the success we would like, it does not mean it cannot do so in the future.  If you do not want to wait for that to happen, that's fine.  Nobody is asking you to.  The state has a wealth of talent coming up through the high school ranks and with the right coach will be able to better acquire that talent as well as recruit elsewhere.  I, for one, look forward to better success in the future.  And making that happen starts with a strong coaching hire.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2017, 11:20:36 am »

I'm sure the team will miss the OP's meaningful support.
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2017, 11:51:32 am »

I'm sure the team will miss the OP's meaningful support.

Shakespearean wit again, love it!
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2017, 04:36:36 pm »

This is ridiculous on multiple levels.  First, it's a recommendation to try to circumvent the intent of Title IX which has had huge benefits to women's athletics and to the millions of high school and college women participating.  Second, all programs go through ups and downs and while women's basketball here has not yet achieved the success we would like, it does not mean it cannot do so in the future.  If you do not want to wait for that to happen, that's fine.  Nobody is asking you to.  The state has a wealth of talent coming up through the high school ranks and with the right coach will be able to better acquire that talent as well as recruit elsewhere.  I, for one, look forward to better success in the future.  And making that happen starts with a strong coaching hire.

Just where is this wealth of talent coming from that you speak of?
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2017, 05:27:00 pm »

This is ridiculous on multiple levels.  First, it's a recommendation to try to circumvent the intent of Title IX which has had huge benefits to women's athletics and to the millions of high school and college women participating.  Second, all programs go through ups and downs and while women's basketball here has not yet achieved the success we would like, it does not mean it cannot do so in the future.  If you do not want to wait for that to happen, that's fine.  Nobody is asking you to.  The state has a wealth of talent coming up through the high school ranks and with the right coach will be able to better acquire that talent as well as recruit elsewhere.  I, for one, look forward to better success in the future.  And making that happen starts with a strong coaching hire.

At what cost? When will women's​ sports be expected to pay their own way in at least its one major sport? If the demand was truly as high as you believe, we should see evidence of this throughout the sport. 
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Re: Ladyback basketball is a lost cause.
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2017, 05:49:24 pm »

At what cost? When will women's​ sports be expected to pay their own way in at least its one major sport? If the demand was truly as high as you believe, we should see evidence of this throughout the sport. 


Does Uconns women's program "pay its own way"? Bottom line is football is and will always be the bell cow that makes all the money for the athletic program.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2017, 06:02:36 pm »

This is ridiculous on multiple levels.  First, it's a recommendation to try to circumvent the intent of Title IX which has had huge benefits to women's athletics and to the millions of high school and college women participating.  Second, all programs go through ups and downs and while women's basketball here has not yet achieved the success we would like, it does not mean it cannot do so in the future.  If you do not want to wait for that to happen, that's fine.  Nobody is asking you to.  The state has a wealth of talent coming up through the high school ranks and with the right coach will be able to better acquire that talent as well as recruit elsewhere.  I, for one, look forward to better success in the future.  And making that happen starts with a strong coaching hire.
Title IX is an  evil  thing passed by corrupt politicians that neither believe in nor support the free market.  Whether or not it benefits some girls is immaterial.  They are no more  deserving of scholarships than 50 times as many other students that don't receive scholarships. For the most  part, it is nothing more  theft; robbing from taxpayers and other students.

And, your statement that all programs have ups and downs is clearly false. In my lifetime  Kentucky, UNC, etc. has never been down.  They are always up even though some  years  are somewhat better than others. On the other  hand, Ladyback basketball is down and may never recover.  Few elite girls will attent a college that can't win and where very few fans attend the games.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2017, 06:11:22 pm »

The OP couldn't be any further from being accurate. The next hire is going to be the right one and he will get the ship moving in the right direction. We will see improvement next season. Move away from the ledge

So the next coach is a he? Has the program ever had a female basketball coach?
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2017, 06:11:41 pm »

Title IX is an  evil  thing passed by corrupt politicians that neither believe in nor support the free market.  Whether or not it benefits some girls is immaterial.  They are no more  deserving of scholarships than 50 times as many other students that don't receive scholarships. For the most  part, it is nothing more  theft; robbing from taxpayers and other students.

And, your statement that all programs have ups and downs is clearly false. In my lifetime  Kentucky, UNC, etc. has never been down.  They are always up even though some  years  are somewhat better than others. On the other  hand, Ladyback basketball is down and may never recover.  Few elite girls will attent a college that can't win and where very few fans attend the games.

So, you are comparing Ladyback basketball, to UK and UNC men's basketball, really not germane to the discussion.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2017, 06:13:34 pm »

So the next coach is a he? Has the program ever had a female basketball coach?
Suzy Gardner.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2017, 06:26:01 pm »

Suzy Gardner.

Matilda Willis (81-...) also my time before John Sutherland. Also another in 1980 (Hen..). and I think some when the program was revived in 76.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2017, 08:56:44 pm »

The level of ignorance about women's college sports (and the related, inevitable Title IX bashing -- "evil" lol) on display here is surprising only because it's occurring in the women's forum. Usually one has to read the trolls on the men's board for that.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2017, 10:30:20 pm »

Yes!!!
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2017, 02:40:56 pm »

you sure Suzy was a woman ? ugh

yea i had my doubts there.....
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2017, 07:44:48 am »

The level of ignorance about women's college sports (and the related, inevitable Title IX bashing -- "evil" lol) on display here is surprising only because it's occurring in the women's forum. Usually one has to read the trolls on the men's board for that.

Exactly my thought when I read the comments.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2017, 04:33:42 pm »

Exactly my thought when I read the comments.
Radical liberals have never seen a government program they don't like when the government robs others to pay for it.
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2017, 06:10:23 pm »

Radical liberals have never seen a government program they don't like when the government robs others to pay for it.
Would that be anything like the fact that both the state of Arkansas and the state of Alabama get more money back from the federal government for programs (roads, etc.) than they pay in taxes? That the government "robs" more affluent  "liberal" states to give to states that b____ about the "liberal" government programs?

I love both states, but let's get real when we talk about who gets robbed. Rant over. Horns down. I apologize to all for falling prey to a political diatribe on a sports board.
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2017, 08:25:30 am »

I agree - let's get back to basketball and sports and leave politics for another forum.  Your Moderator
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2017, 08:29:44 am »

By some of the posters logic in this thread, we should do away with baseball...it doesn't pay its own way...free market. I'm guessing that since we like baseball, we should keep it around tho, right? But we don't like these women's sports taking all the $ the men sports make, so cancel them.

Each school is different. Some schools make money at some sports and lose it at others. If all schools got rid of the sports they made money at and did away with the ones that lost money, college sports would be dead!
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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2017, 09:04:32 am »

By some of the posters logic in this thread, we should do away with baseball...it doesn't pay its own way...free market. I'm guessing that since we like baseball, we should keep it around tho, right? But we don't like these women's sports taking all the $ the men sports make, so cancel them.

Each school is different. Some schools make money at some sports and lose it at others. If all schools got rid of the sports they made money at and did away with the ones that lost money, college sports would be dead!
baseball has been a revenue generating sport for some time now.
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2017, 09:52:44 am »

So the next coach is a he? Has the program ever had a female basketball coach?

The first coach ever, Matilda Willis. Then Susie Gardner. More men than women head coaches, however.
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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2017, 10:01:40 am »

baseball has been a revenue generating sport for some time now.
Haha. Yea...at Arkansas. How do we fill out a schedule of all the schools where baseball doesn't turn a profit shut down? You're not getting it.
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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2017, 12:37:05 pm »

Haha. Yea...at Arkansas. How do we fill out a schedule of all the schools where baseball doesn't turn a profit shut down? You're not getting it.

How is that UofA's problem?
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2017, 09:04:25 am »

Well, its pretty easy to see how its the UA's problem...If the only schools left playing baseball (just the example we're using) are the 5% (guessing) of schools where baseball actually turns a profit, then who the hell will care about college baseball at that point? Then, nobody comes to baseball games anymore...Next, we aren't profitable because we don't have the fan support...Bye, bye baseball.

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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2017, 01:08:48 pm »

If we went solely by profit margins we would have to get rid of track and field, our most popular and decorated program. Surely no one wants to see us give up the one sport we where we actually win national/SEC championships!

And should other programs choose to follow their lead, we would have only one baseball opponent in the SEC, which I'm guessing would wind up hurting our profit margins in turn.
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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2017, 10:27:54 am »

nothing is a lost cause. Long has work to do.
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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2017, 12:49:45 am »

Suzy Gardner.

Don't remind me.
I don't know who was the worse hire her or Dykes.
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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2017, 05:54:09 pm »

Don't remind me.
I don't know who was the worse hire her or Dykes.

This
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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2017, 06:03:50 pm »

Don't remind me.
I don't know who was the worse hire her or Dykes.

Is it true that John White asked Pat Summitt who we should hire and she said Suzy Gardner ? Why would anyone take the advice of their competitor ?
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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2017, 06:06:05 pm »

yes Suzy was suggested by Pat .
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2017, 06:19:31 pm »

That was Pat's first sign of dementia.
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2017, 06:21:15 pm »

more like John Whites . Plan worked great for Pat
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2017, 06:30:05 pm »

Is it true that John White asked Pat Summitt who we should hire and she said Suzy Gardner ? Why would anyone take the advice of their competitor ?

No, not quite. Summitt did recommend Susie, but not to John White. Bev did the hiring and bragged about how she called around to coaches across the country and Susie's name kept coming up. And both Pat Summitt and Andy Landers (for whom she played at UGA) put in a good word for her. Susie does a good job at low-major schools. She was great at Austin Peay before coming here, and she's now HC at Mercer and doing reasonably well. She was in WAAAAY over her head in the SEC. Awful hire.
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2017, 10:46:12 pm »

more like John Whites . Plan worked great for Pat

Touché.
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« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2017, 09:18:34 pm »

Would that be anything like the fact that both the state of Arkansas and the state of Alabama get more money back from the federal government for programs (roads, etc.) than they pay in taxes? That the government "robs" more affluent  "liberal" states to give to states that b____ about the "liberal" government programs?

I love both states, but let's get real when we talk about who gets robbed. Rant over. Horns down. I apologize to all for falling prey to a political diatribe on a sports board.
Post your proof.  I can't see how that could possibility be true.  First, they pay for all their bureaucracies, then pay for wars of aggression that benefits no one other than the military industrial complex. And, we must pay for inflation resulting from excessive regulations, and deficit spending on social security, Obama care, welfare, etc.  That appears to makes your claim impossible. However, if you are just claiming the two mentioned A states receive a higher percentage than other states, I can believe that.
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« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2017, 10:38:21 pm »

Don't remind me.
I don't know who was the worse hire her or Dykes.

Gardner because of who they ran off to get her.
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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2017, 11:26:32 am »

Who was the women's coach from 86-93 -- ish. There's no listing I can find on any of the UA pages or record books.
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« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2017, 01:01:19 pm »

Was it Sutherland?
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« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2017, 07:27:32 pm »

Most everyone it seems is predicting who the next Ladyback basketball coach is. However, I suspect, none are correct and it will be a complete surprise.
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« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2017, 07:41:06 pm »

Most everyone it seems is predicting who the next Ladyback basketball coach is. However, I suspect, none are correct and it will be a complete surprise.

Do you put effort into being so clueless, or does it just come naturally.
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« Reply #48 on: April 02, 2017, 07:45:35 pm »

Do you put effort into being so clueless, or does it just come naturally.
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« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2017, 08:11:21 pm »

Lol I honestly feel sorry for people like you logic. This hire has been a done deal for a couple weeks and many here have known it. Believe what you want.
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