Pegasus

[kingoftherapids]

came down to chrome getting the 7 or 12 and he drew the 12. he draws the 7 and i firmly believe chrome is able to sit off arrogate and beat him in the stretch. now the 12 hole presents a whole new deal. almost thing he has to be sent... and almost have to think a repeat of the classic is in order.

[ghostzapper]

Arrogate just resolved the "who's better" debate between him and American Pharoah.

[ghostzapper]

Gulfstream Winter/Spring meet is, consistnetly, the best betting opportunity of the year.

[userpick]

Gulfstream Winter/Spring meet is, consistnetly, the best betting opportunity of the year.

Not for me. You have a different juicer every week

[ghostzapper]

You have that problem at every track. Horses run closer to potential/form at good prices than any other track.

[userpick]

I would disagree with your first sentence. There may be cheaters at every track but they're usually the same ones. Seems like there's a different one every week at GP. There's basically no rules down there.

[ghostzapper]

What?  GP's trainer standings are pretty consistent.

[userpick]

Standings wise yes, but doesn't mean there's not some guy no one has ever heard of that wins at 44-1 out of nowhere.

[HogFanInBryant]

Arrogate just resolved the "who's better" debate between him and American Pharoah.

I disagree...both fresh and both 100% AP would run off from Arrogate in a hand ride.

[ghostzapper]

Hardly.  AP's best race by far was his BC win, in which he had everything his way.  Nobody good ran behind him.  Arrogate's last 2 races of 2016 were better than AP's BC win and he had to run down a horse as good as AP to win his BC. AP topped thhe 110 Beyer mark once.  123, 121 and 116 for Arrogate's last 3. 

[jdelo77]

Arrogate didn't run in the triple crown , kind of hard to compare the two based on that alone ...arrogate will keep running when AP will be standing stud ...apples and oranges

[ghostzapper]

Standings wise yes, but doesn't mean there's not some guy no one has ever heard of that wins at 44-1 out of nowhere.

That happens at every track too.  I find GP offers more of those kinds of payoffs that are formful or otherwise predictable than other tracks.

[HogFanInBryant]

Hardly.  AP's best race by far was his BC win, in which he had everything his way.  Nobody good ran behind him.  Arrogate's last 2 races of 2016 were better than AP's BC win and he had to run down a horse as good as AP to win his BC. AP topped thhe 110 Beyer mark once.  123, 121 and 116 for Arrogate's last 3. 

Not a Beyer guy when it comes to upper talent.  Just my opinion...but I think AP would destroy Arrogate at any distance from 1m to 1.5m.

[HogFanInBryant]

Arrogate didn't run in the triple crown , kind of hard to compare the two based on that alone ...arrogate will keep running when AP will be standing stud ...apples and oranges

I agree with hard to compare.  Just my opinion is all...AP's body language and stride deep into a race was a notch better than Arrogate.  Totally throw out Saratoga for AP...he was sick, hated the track (that day for some reason), and other valid excuses.

[userpick]

Arrogate would romp over AP, imo.

[hogoffate]

Let's take it up a notch or 10. 
Arrogate vs Secretariat?

[jdelo77]

AP or Arrogate ..We will never know who is better ...

Arrogate or secretariat ? Is that a joke ...big red every day of the week !!!!

[hogoffate]

AP or Arrogate ..We will never know who is better ...

Arrogate or secretariat ? Is that a joke ...big red every day of the week !!!!

And twice on Sunday !!!

[ghostzapper]

I think Secretariat is the best ever.  But, Arrogate's Pegasus time has now been lowered .8 of a second for the track record at 1 1/8 miles. Beyer now a 119.  He keeps that up and he'll start comparing favorably to Big Red.