Former Gator and Patriot TE Aaron Hernandez found guilty: 1st degree murder

[LZH]

No kidding. I would be concerned that while away from my house and having a job requiring travel someone would see that and break into my house and steal my guns. An important thing to remember about handling guns is to not advertise it and do it ANONYMOUSLY.

I agree, but it takes a very brazen (and armed) burgular to break into someone's house to steal their guns.  I've known and played music with my share of ex-cons.  A house with a well-armed owner is a non-target for nearly all of these guys...they'll pass.  And if you have a 4WD truck in the driveway, that's like a neon sign that you are not just a gun owner, but a gun USER.  That came straight from the horses' mouth, you could say.

[PEtrader]

what an idiot

[Luke STYwalker]

Not taking up for the dude in any way, but the gun charges are bothering me.  Havn't heard all the specifics, but something about not having a permit.  I have lots of guns and no permit.  If i see one a want I buy it.  Why do I need a permit.  Are we talking automatic weapons or something? or just some BS law in massachusetts?    People up north wig out at the sight of a gun.   Someone help me clarify here please.

[Pigsknuckles]

I would imagine they are likely under a gag order from the NE organization with the understanding that they will need new jobs if they choose to comment on the situation. 

My conspiracy gene twitched when I read that. The Pats wasted no time severing relations with Hernandez, and almost nobody is talking. I'm thinking that enough prior knowledge of Aarons off field behavior exists for NE to be cautious of appearing complicit in any of his dealings.

[Inhogswetrust]

I agree, but it takes a very brazen (and armed) burgular to break into someone's house to steal their guns.  I've known and played music with my share of ex-cons.  A house with a well-armed owner is a non-target for nearly all of these guys...they'll pass.  And if you have a 4WD truck in the driveway, that's like a neon sign that you are not just a gun owner, but a gun USER.  That came straight from the horses' mouth, you could say.

No kidding. I cant' think of one person I know that drives a truck that doesn't own MORE than one gun!

[Inhogswetrust]

Not taking up for the dude in any way, but the gun charges are bothering me.  Havn't heard all the specifics, but something about not having a permit.  I have lots of guns and no permit.  If i see one a want I buy it.  Why do I need a permit.  Are we talking automatic weapons or something? or just some BS law in massachusetts?    People up north wig out at the sight of a gun.   Someone help me clarify here please.

Criminals don't need a permit except up north I guess!........................ 


P.S. There are a LOT of BS gun laws especially up north and California. All those gun laws haven't done a damn thing to stop gun crimes in Chicago for example. I read a couple of days ago where one gun company in CT has already decided where they are moving too. Expect more.

[riccoar]

I would imagine that the Pat's front office put the Brian Cashman statement out

[Luke STYwalker]

Criminals don't need a permit except up north I guess!........................ 


P.S. There are a LOT of BS gun laws especially up north and California. All those gun laws haven't done a damn thing to stop gun crimes in Chicago for example. I read a couple of days ago where one gun company in CT has already decided where they are moving too. Expect more.

    I agree.

[Luke STYwalker]

However this guy is an idiot for taking a photo of himself with that glock.  It is hugely immature and juvenile.   And speaks volumes to his character.

[WILL CLINTON]

I had a bad yr from 18-19 did a lot of stupid things. Luckily I didn't get caught so I don't have anything on my record, but I do have two sleeves. I am also finishing my 150 to sit for the CPA. Where are you in school?

I am currently going to NPCC in Hot Springs, but will be transferring to UALR or Henderson in the spring to finish up. That CPA exam is BRUTAL from what I've heard from the few accountants I've talked to that took it.

[Inhogswetrust]

I am currently going to NPCC in Hot Springs, but will be transferring to UALR or Henderson in the spring to finish up. That CPA exam is BRUTAL from what I've heard from the few accountants I've talked to that took it.

M wife is a CPA. She studied hard for it. It is brutal according to her but worth it. Good luck!

[onebadrubi]

Not taking up for the dude in any way, but the gun charges are bothering me.  Havn't heard all the specifics, but something about not having a permit.  I have lots of guns and no permit.  If i see one a want I buy it.  Why do I need a permit.  Are we talking automatic weapons or something? or just some BS law in massachusetts?    People up north wig out at the sight of a gun.   Someone help me clarify here please.

You have to have a permit to carry a loaded gun I just about all states.  I assume that is the permit they are talking about.  The media also likes to say does not have a permit when their is just no paper trail on a weapon (I.e. bought off black market with files serial numbers). My guess is they are throwing charges at him for carrying that pistol with him in the car. Also some municipalities don't slow weapons, may be one of those type permits.

[onebadrubi]

However this guy is an idiot for taking a photo of himself with that glock.  It is hugely immature and juvenile.   And speaks volumes to his character.

I think we all know what kind of character Hernandez is. 


Why the career/education path discussion?  Guy taking CPA classes to show you can get an education with two sleeves?  I completed the 150 without any sleeves... What does that contribute to this topic?

[SwazyHog]

Found a vehicle they had been looking for for a year in those killings. They believe Hernandez had rented that vehicle at the time.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/27/us/nfl-hernandez/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Hogman2]

This guy appears to be a piece of work! I believe in innocent until proven guilty but he is stupid! Apparently he has ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM! I will be SHOCKED if he does not spend the rest of his life in prison!

[atekido]

He is guilty in some form, there isn't any question in that.   He rented the car,  He called his friends and told them to get there soon.  He is seen leaving and coming back with a gun on camera, it just piles up.

[superior_wang]

in a league filled with idiots, hes the king.

One a side note, any of you hog fans  that live in an  nfl city can attest to this.... the broncos probably couldnt field  a team without their team attorney Harvey Steinberg keeping their stupid a$$es out of the pen. Granted they dont have murderers on the squad that im aware of ..but still... he should be team mvp not Manning.

[Iwastherein1969]

in a league filled with idiots, hes the king.

One a side note, any of you hog fans  that live in an  nfl city can attest to this.... the broncos probably couldnt field  a team without their team attorney Harvey Steinberg keeping their stupid a$$es out of the pen. Granted they dont have murderers on the squad that im aware of ..but still... he should be team mvp not Manning.

young women are predictably already lining up on Twitter announcing their 'love for Hernandez' and their desires to 'have his babies'....man, we raised a generation of women who, like Nola in Spike Lee's, SHE'S GOTTA HAVE IT, literally do have to have it

[superior_wang]

young women are predictably already lining up on Twitter announcing their 'love for Hernandez' and their desires to 'have his babies'....man, we raised a generation of women who, like Nola in Spike Lee's, SHE'S GOTTA HAVE IT, literally do have to have it

yeppers.

[HG]

I just get offended about it easily. Being in the industry, I take it a little more personal than other people. I knew that if I was going to get tattooed up, I had to do more than other people not tattooed to destroy that stereotype. I love the looks I get when I'm out with my family, but the reason I love it is even though I have over 45 hours of tattooing on me, I've never been arrested, am not a thug, have a 4.0 GPA, and am halfway to getting my BA in Accounting. Blows that stereotype out of the water.

I personally have one tattoo, and it's well-hidden because my job requires me to maintain a professional appearance.  It really does suck that people who are into tattoos have to deal with the fact that lots of thugs are ruining it for the rest of y'all.   Art doesn't make people criminal  It's just that lots of criminals seem to think art makes them look tough.  Which I'm sure it does, but that just means people on the outside mistake correlation for causation.  A good tattoo artist has more talent than I'll ever have, but thanks to the fact that some of the worst elements of society are also capable of appreciating that talent, the huge numbers of perfectly upstanding people who like tattoos have to deal with the stereotypes. 

Some day I'm going to settle down into a profession where I don't have to worry about what CEOs and customers think, and on that day, my first act will be to get a couple sleeves...just because I can.

[HG]

young women are predictably already lining up on Twitter announcing their 'love for Hernandez' and their desires to 'have his babies'....man, we raised a generation of women who, like Nola in Spike Lee's, SHE'S GOTTA HAVE IT, literally do have to have it

Since you were there in 1969, you probably know that killers and thugs have always had this sort of following.  Manson and Bundy had bleeping groupies writing to them.

[Hog_Swanson]

Since you were there in 1969, you probably know that killers and thugs have always had this sort of following.  Manson and Bundy had bleeping groupies writing to them.

If we Incorporated the death penalty with a fast lane, we could weed out the crap and straighten up the youth.  Oh well, that might be inhumane.

[Hog_Swanson]

Oh yeah, we could save some tax money too.

[BJOhog]

inhumanely is killing a defensless o person once you do that you sease to be human in my oinion and should be shot on the spot

[board]

Not me.

The name OJ Simpson ring a bell?

He isn't oj and there won't be a mostly black jury for this one.............

[LZH]

If we Incorporated the death penalty with a fast lane, we could weed out the crap and straighten up the youth.  Oh well, that might be inhumane.

It's only a matter of time before corporate-owned prisons overtake the penal system completely, and they want all the live bodies they can get.  So it's only gonna get worse.  These people have a plan.

Btw, what did Root get axed for this time?

[HG]

Btw, what did Root get axed for this time?

I was wondering the same thing.  I assumed the reference to his "racism" in that little slapfight earlier in the thread had something to do with it.  I missed the last time, and was hoping this time would be as heartwarming and fun as all the old geezers here say the last time was. 

At least now I can say that I might not have been there on St. Crispin's Day, but I was there on St. Crispin's Day 2.0.

As for the prison thing, I'm not a big fan of corporate prisons.  I understand the arguments for them, but the idea of a corporate entity being responsible for my freedom, or lack thereof, chills me to the very marrow.  The government doesn't always get it right, but at least they are, in theory, accountable to the constituents.   Corporations are only accountable to their shareholders.

I also despise traffic cams run by corporations.

[SouthSide Johnny]

Btw, what did Root get axed for this time?

What? Daddy got booted again..

Don't mess with the Bear.... He carries a big stick...

[LZH]

I was wondering the same thing.  I assumed the reference to his "racism" in that little slapfight earlier in the thread had something to do with it.  I missed the last time, and was hoping this time would be as heartwarming and fun as all the old geezers here say the last time was. 

At least now I can say that I might not have been there on St. Crispin's Day, but I was there on St. Crispin's Day 2.0.

As for the prison thing, I'm not a big fan of corporate prisons.  I understand the arguments for them, but the idea of a corporate entity being responsible for my freedom, or lack thereof, chills me to the very marrow.  The government doesn't always get it right, but at least they are, in theory, accountable to the constituents.   Corporations are only accountable to their shareholders.

I also despise traffic cams run by corporations.

Corporate prisons....what's next, a corporate army?  Oh...........right.

Check out the privately-owned, state funded juvenile center back east that a couple of years ago had at least one local judge on 'commission'.  He was locking kids up left and right, for stuff like first-time alcohol and weed possession.  The same things that we did as teenagers, that would get us a ride to the police station for a scare and then the cops would call our dads to come pick us up, were getting these kids locked up for 6, 9, 18 months.  One kid who had never been in trouble got like 12 months for stealing liquor out of the neighbor's pool house.  Any time the government turns over these kind of duties to corporations because "they can do it more efficiently" is just a smoke screen...and a true indicator that there's some politicians getting kickbacks for pushing the idea and sitting back and allowing it to happen.  Naturally a private company can run circles around most government offices for efficiency, but efficiency isn't and never will be the actual goal.

And Root will be back, I hope.  He's abrasive, annoying, and cranky...but a friend, nonetheless.  I'm assuming that he had been warned beforehand, because I didn't see where he singularly said anything too over the top - even for him.

[ThePigFundamental]

What? Daddy got booted again..

Don't mess with the Bear.... He carries a big stick...

about time. imo.

[ThePigFundamental]

You seriously underestimate our flawed judicial system.

amazing what can be accomplished with a good lawyer and a bad jury.

[bpoecell]

young women are predictably already lining up on Twitter announcing their 'love for Hernandez' and their desires to 'have his babies'....man, we raised a generation of women who, like Nola in Spike Lee's, SHE'S GOTTA HAVE IT, literally do have to have it

I follow a comedian who was retweeting a lot of those "he's still sexy" tweets. I think Twitter is great, but it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that most of the population shouldn't have the ability to immediately broadcast whatever dumb thought is in their head at the moment.

[HognotinMemphis]

Wow.  A picture is worth 1,000 words. 

Very tragic for the young man's family who was killed.

Hi. My friends call me OJ. Why, I don't know.

[HognotinMemphis]

And the little Arkansas thug boy wanna be Mallett was blackballed by the NFL for acting goofy. Man, where is the justice?

Root66 deleted today? LOL!

[Iwastherein1969]

Since you were there in 1969, you probably know that killers and thugs have always had this sort of following.  Manson and Bundy had bleeping groupies writing to them.

uh, SFB, look, those were called groupies back in the day...most were already part of a commune or looked to some guy to help them tune out or whatever the lingo was they used....I was 6 years old in 1969, so excuse me if I don't have total recall. Anywy, SFB, the difference is the females THESE DAYS, express their love for the murderers AFTER the fact not before the crimes. Hell, two words should explain all I'm speaking of and prove I'm right and you don't KWTFYATA, and they are "Damien Echols".  Enough said.

[ThePigFundamental]

uh, SFB, look, those were called groupies back in the day...most were already part of a commune or looked to some guy to help them tune out or whatever the lingo was they used....I was 6 years old in 1969, so excuse me if I don't have total recall. Anywy, SFB, the difference is the females THESE DAYS, express their love for the murderers AFTER the fact not before the crimes. Hell, two words should explain all I'm speaking of and prove I'm right and you don't KWTFYATA, and they are Damien Echols. Enough said.

Damien Echols didn't kill anybody.

[Iwastherein1969]

Damien Echols didn't kill anybody.

would you let him babysit your 8 year old boy ?   and yes, yes he did kill someone, he said he was guilty....so he's guilty

[PygmalionEffect]

Not me.

The name OJ Simpson ring a bell?

Unfortunately for Hernandez, he's not wearing gloves in the picture and Johnny Cochran dying on him doesn't help things either.

If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit

If you don't own gloves, you're guilty as $hit

[ThePigFundamental]

would you let him babysit your 8 year old boy ?   and yes, yes he did kill someone, he said he was guilty....so he's guilty

who lets strangers babysit their kids? silly question. 

[LZH]

would you let him babysit your 8 year old boy ?   and yes, yes he did kill someone, he said he was guilty....so he's guilty

Yep.  Just because they didn't find his DNA doesn't mean he didn't do it.  Just because the WM cops may have botched the investigation doesn't mean he didn't do it.  My daughter and I were walking out of the Peabody in LR a couple of years ago and walked right by Eddie Vedder in front of the Old Statehouse.  I had no idea why he was in town (I don't always watch the news, I live on vacation).  Then we saw the crowd on the steps of the Robinson Center.  We couldn't have been more disappointed...pretty creepy, actually.  Fwiw, if I thought those guys could be innocent, I'd be in their corner.

[ThePigFundamental]

Yep.  Just because they didn't find his DNA doesn't mean he didn't do it.  Just because the WM cops may have botched the investigation doesn't mean he didn't do it.  My daughter and I were walking out of the Peabody in LR a couple of years ago and walked right by Eddie Vedder in front of the Old Statehouse.  I had no idea why he was in town (I don't always watch the news, I live on vacation).  Then we saw the crowd on the steps of the Robinson Center.  We couldn't have been more disappointed...pretty creepy, actually.  Fwiw, if I thought those guys could be innocent, I'd be in their corner.

they are innocent.  and now free. judicial system actually worked for once.

[Iwastherein1969]

Yep.  Just because they didn't find his DNA doesn't mean he didn't do it.  Just because the WM cops may have botched the investigation doesn't mean he didn't do it.  My daughter and I were walking out of the Peabody in LR a couple of years ago and walked right by Eddie Vedder in front of the Old Statehouse.  I had no idea why he was in town (I don't always watch the news, I live on vacation).  Then we saw the crowd on the steps of the Robinson Center.  We couldn't have been more disappointed...pretty creepy, actually.  Fwiw, if I thought those guys could be innocent, I'd be in their corner.

you and I think a lot alike....don't know whether that's good for your or not..but welcome to the club, brother

[Iwastherein1969]

they are innocent.  and now free. judicial system actually worked for once.

when you can show me an official document that says they are innocent, then I'll believe it....but that will never happen...so to me, they are guilty....and will pay for it, whether on this side or the other

[LZH]

This...

amazing what can be accomplished with a good lawyer

Then this...

they are innocent.  and now free. judicial system actually worked for once.

And, you THINK they're innocent.  I saw the TV show, too.  It was compelling, but it proved nothing.

[LZH]

they are innocent.  and now free. judicial system actually worked for once.

nm

[ThePigFundamental]

This...

Then this...



And, you THINK they're innocent.  I saw the TV show, too.  It was compelling, but it proved nothing.

all three of them are walking free...as they should be.

[LZH]

you and I think a lot alike....don't know whether that's good for your or not..but welcome to the club, brother

Great minds, and all that.....

[HG]

Corporate prisons....what's next, a corporate army?  Oh...........right.

Check out the privately-owned, state funded juvenile center back east that a couple of years ago had at least one local judge on 'commission'.  He was locking kids up left and right, for stuff like first-time alcohol and weed possession.  The same things that we did as teenagers, that would get us a ride to the police station for a scare and then the cops would call our dads to come pick us up, were getting these kids locked up for 6, 9, 18 months.  One kid who had never been in trouble got like 12 months for stealing liquor out of the neighbor's pool house.  Any time the government turns over these kind of duties to corporations because "they can do it more efficiently" is just a smoke screen...and a true indicator that there's some politicians getting kickbacks for pushing the idea and sitting back and allowing it to happen.  Naturally a private company can run circles around most government offices for efficiency, but efficiency isn't and never will be the actual goal.

And Root will be back, I hope.  He's abrasive, annoying, and cranky...but a friend, nonetheless.  I'm assuming that he had been warned beforehand, because I didn't see where he singularly said anything too over the top - even for him.

Agreed on all points.  It's just one of those ideas that sounds interesting in theory, but the practice will collapse on itself simply because of human nature.  I speak, of course, of Root's banning. 

Oh, and the corporate prison thing, too.

[HG]

uh, SFB, look, those were called groupies back in the day...most were already part of a commune or looked to some guy to help them tune out or whatever the lingo was they used....I was 6 years old in 1969, so excuse me if I don't have total recall. Anywy, SFB, the difference is the females THESE DAYS, express their love for the murderers AFTER the fact not before the crimes. Hell, two words should explain all I'm speaking of and prove I'm right and you don't KWTFYATA, and they are "Damien Echols".  Enough said.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to challenge you.  I was just noting that there have always been groupies and fans following horrific criminals.  Marriage proposals to murderers have been around for a looong time.  It's just more prominent/noticeable  now because of the ease of mass communication and dissemination of information that lets the rest of us know what's going on.  Manson had his gang before, but he also received more than his fair share of marriage proposals after being convicted.  And Bundy was famously getting letters from swooning admirers.  There's just a sort of fetish aspect to the whole affair that I won't pretend to understand, but it's nothing new.  I think it has to do, in part, with the danger combined with the fact that the person is locked away and, therefore, paradoxically, both dangerous and safe.  Of course, I'm not a psychiatrist, so all I can do is speculate.

Then again, I know plenty of men who would ignore just about any negative trait in a woman if they thought she would sleep with them, so the entire human race is pretty much as crazy as loons trapped in an echo chamber.

[hawgsmellgud]

I think we all know what kind of character Hernandez is. 


Why the career/education path discussion?  Guy taking CPA classes to show you can get an education with two sleeves?  I completed the 150 without any sleeves... What does that contribute to this topic?

Is this the first thread you've  ever read? I am not going to explain it to you, you don't have tats so you must be smarter than us. Figure it out yourself.