Talk about recruits decommiting

[fatherof2boys]

i heard on the radio about the Warren bunch thinking about if they want to come to an offense that has been talking about improving and still the same old bland crap. WHy would a top QB or WR want to come here, we are going to run it up the middle 75% of the time. What if nutt leaves or stays, why would you want to come to this vanilla offense

[Thermonuclearpig]

i heard on the radio about the Warren bunch thinking about if they want to come to an offense that has been talking about improving and still the same old bland crap. WHy would a top QB or WR want to come here, we are going to run it up the middle 75% of the time. What if nutt leaves or stays, why would you want to come to this vanilla offense

So you could be ran off to a BCS school?

[blue]

They will not come here, the way things are. Our work is almost complete.

[The_Iceman]

They will not come here, the way things are. Our work is almost complete.

they will be here. the new coach will convince them to stay.

[PorkSoda]

after the kentucky game, Winston Guy is also thinking of Decommitting.  by January we will be down to 5-10 commits, and the new coach will have a lot of make up work to do.

[The_Iceman]

after the kentucky game, Winston Guy is also thinking of Decommitting.  by January we will be down to 5-10 commits, and the new coach will have a lot of make up work to do.

if the players we have were willing to commit to a loser like nutt, then when we bring in someone like butch davis or gus back as OC (for example), they along with others will stick with their commitment.

[jimmur74]

They will not come here, the way things are. Our work is almost complete.

Thats Great Lets Be sure and destroy the program whereas to rebuild it from scratch

[THHAWG]

Will they be attacked like the Springdale players?

[JadedHog]

sounds like they figured out nutt's a liar..........he told the springdale boys the same thing............it's classic bait and switch tactics from nutt........he's gonna leave our program in shambles

[bphi11ips]

They will not come here, the way things are. Our work is almost complete.

they will be here. the new coach will convince them to stay.

Bet they'd love to play for Malzahn.

[WilsonHog]

Bo Hembree's offense is more complex than Houston Nutt's is. The Warren kids would have to regress to be comfortable in it.

If those kids decommit, that will be the final nail in Nutt's coffin.

[FWF79]

So why dont we just fire DMW now and get a new coach to show the commits that we are not going to let that happen?

[PorkSoda]

So why dont we just fire DMW now and get a new coach to show the commits that we are not going to let that happen?

Exactly.  at this point the season is shot.  Fire nutt, make wood the interim HC as he has HC experience.  It would show everyone we are committed to progress.  All of the sudden there would be no banners and angry fans.  everyone would show up to games in full force to support the team.  Then when we get a new coach he would come into a good environment rather than what we have now.

[SkunkyMunky]

after the kentucky game, Winston Guy is also thinking of Decommitting.  by January we will be down to 5-10 commits, and the new coach will have a lot of make up work to do.

if the players we have were willing to commit to a loser like nutt, then when we bring in someone like butch davis or gus back as OC (for example), they along with others will stick with their commitment.

You assume to much. Like we are getting rid of Nutt, Butch wants to come back, and Gus would come back. Granted every kid that has played in Arkansas wants/ed to play for Gus while in High School. Who thinks he is coming back after he was bent over and reamed last year?

[The_Iceman]

after the kentucky game, Winston Guy is also thinking of Decommitting.  by January we will be down to 5-10 commits, and the new coach will have a lot of make up work to do.

You assume to much. Like we are getting rid of Nutt, Butch wants to come back, and Gus would come back. Granted every kid that has played in Arkansas wants/ed to play for Gus while in High School. Who thinks he is coming back after he was bent over and reamed last year?

Because all the factors that cause him to leave (Nutt, Herring, Lee, and Frank) will all be gone.

I believe because both Butch and Gus are "Arkansas Boys", they would both love to come back and repair this great program that Nutt has destroyed. With this new excitement, the recruits would stay aboard.

if the players we have were willing to commit to a loser like nutt, then when we bring in someone like butch davis or gus back as OC (for example), they along with others will stick with their commitment.

[Fence Jockey]

So why dont we just fire DMW now and get a new coach to show the commits that we are not going to let that happen?

Exactly.  at this point the season is shot.  Fire nutt, make wood the interim HC as he has HC experience.  It would show everyone we are committed to progress.  All of the sudden there would be no banners and angry fans.  everyone would show up to games in full force to support the team.  Then when we get a new coach he would come into a good environment rather than what we have now.

That is Logical! Sounds good, but "Logic" is screen at the door of the BAC and is never permitted inside!

[hawaiianhogster]

Bo Hembree's offense is more complex than Houston Nutt's is. The Warren kids would have to regress to be comfortable in it.

If those kids decommit, that will be the final nail in Nutt's coffin.

They must have a poop load of nails or that coffin is the biggest coffin in the universe. LOL.

[bphi11ips]

after the kentucky game, Winston Guy is also thinking of Decommitting.  by January we will be down to 5-10 commits, and the new coach will have a lot of make up work to do.

if the players we have were willing to commit to a loser like nutt, then when we bring in someone like butch davis or gus back as OC (for example), they along with others will stick with their commitment.

You assume to much. Like we are getting rid of Nutt, Butch wants to come back, and Gus would come back. Granted every kid that has played in Arkansas wants/ed to play for Gus while in High School. Who thinks he is coming back after he was bent over and reamed last year?

We are getting rid of Nutt.

Davis is not the right guy and will stay at NC anyway.

No one reamed Gus but Nutt. 

[Animal-374]

this is obviously the fault of the media

[Hogs-n-Roses]

They will not come here, the way things are. Our work is almost complete.

they will be here. the new coach will convince them to stay.

This is why we need to start the process now. Throw some interesting prospects their way.Let them know we are looking for a modern system which will cater to the prospects we have coming in(them).

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

i heard on the radio about the Warren bunch thinking about if they want to come to an offense that has been talking about improving and still the same old bland crap. WHy would a top QB or WR want to come here, we are going to run it up the middle 75% of the time. What if nutt leaves or stays, why would you want to come to this vanilla offense

A new HC is more important than the Warren kids.  That would be putting the cart before the horse.  Let's get Dale out of here first, the rest will take care of itself.

[The real Hogules]

How about someone comes out and says that coach Nutt will be allowed to coach the remainder of the season, but that at the end of the season changes will be made.

And that one of the changes being made is that we are looking for a HC with a more wide open offense and spreads the defense out, because we realize that is the type of offense recruits enjoy playing in.

[The_Iceman]

i heard on the radio about the Warren bunch thinking about if they want to come to an offense that has been talking about improving and still the same old bland crap. WHy would a top QB or WR want to come here, we are going to run it up the middle 75% of the time. What if nutt leaves or stays, why would you want to come to this vanilla offense

A new HC is more important than the Warren kids.  That would be putting the cart before the horse.  Let's get Dale out of here first, the rest will take care of itself.

agreed NotShavin. but if we get a new coach, that doesnt mean they still won't come. i believe they are coming more for the hog of the helmet than the coach on the sidelines.

[arkjay19]

i heard on the radio about the Warren bunch thinking about if they want to come to an offense that has been talking about improving and still the same old bland crap. WHy would a top QB or WR want to come here, we are going to run it up the middle 75% of the time. What if nutt leaves or stays, why would you want to come to this vanilla offense

Nah, only the receivers.  The OLinemen, quarterbacks, and running backs would still come.

[The_Iceman]

i heard on the radio about the Warren bunch thinking about if they want to come to an offense that has been talking about improving and still the same old bland crap. WHy would a top QB or WR want to come here, we are going to run it up the middle 75% of the time. What if nutt leaves or stays, why would you want to come to this vanilla offense

Nah, only the receivers.  The OLinemen, quarterbacks, and running backs would still come.

guys, nutt wont be here. there is not reason for the receiver to leave. they know this, and thats why they are kinda wavering. they are just waiting to see who the new coach will be.

[Brand X Hog Fan]

How about someone comes out and says that coach Nutt will be allowed to coach the remainder of the season, but that at the end of the season changes will be made.

And that one of the changes being made is that we are looking for a HC with a more wide open offense and spreads the defense out, because we realize that is the type of offense recruits enjoy playing in.

No promises need to be made and nothing needs to be implied from the BAC and chancellor's office. Simply give Nutt the option to finish out the year or pack up now, and start the search for next year's new coach.

[arkjay19]

i heard on the radio about the Warren bunch thinking about if they want to come to an offense that has been talking about improving and still the same old bland crap. WHy would a top QB or WR want to come here, we are going to run it up the middle 75% of the time. What if nutt leaves or stays, why would you want to come to this vanilla offense

Nah, only the receivers.  The OLinemen, quarterbacks, and running backs would still come.

guys, nutt wont be here. there is not reason for the receiver to leave. they know this, and thats why they are kinda wavering. they are just waiting to see who the new coach will be.

People have thought that for about half of the years that Nutt has been here.

[Hawgballz]

i heard on the radio about the Warren bunch thinking about if they want to come to an offense that has been talking about improving and still the same old bland crap. WHy would a top QB or WR want to come here, we are going to run it up the middle 75% of the time. What if nutt leaves or stays, why would you want to come to this vanilla offense

Can you identify who you heard say this on the radio?

[fatherof2boys]

some have posted some great ideas, why not get a new HC and run a freakin wide open offense, what do we seriously have to lose. We can keep the good recievers, show some QB's that we are serious about a wide open offense and maybe draw some intrest from top players. If we wait till next year to get a new coach, we are a whole year behind. It will take the new coach one whole year to prove himself then recuit some guys.
FIRE NUTT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

[modabusesucks]

They will not come here, the way things are. Our work is almost complete.

they will be here. the new coach will convince them to stay.

God willing

[Tomhog™]

Let's get realistic.  When have you ever heard of 50-75% of a recruiting class decommit and go elsewhere?  That is just not going to happen, folks. Will we lose one?  Yes.  Will we lose more than one?  Almost certainly.  But to say that 10-15 will decommit and go elsewhere is ubsurd.  Especially considering most of our commitments are in-state boys. 

Looking through the list, I see a maximum of 5 decommits.  And that I think would be a worst case scenario.  I'm not going to name names of whom I feel may switch.  One of two things are going to happen:

1) Nutt stays b/c of the new AD coming to town.  He goes in and sells the program again, citing WR injuries as the reason for the anemic passing game.  He's a good salesman, so most will buy into it.  Him staying would probably result in the least number of decommits, or

2) Nutt is fired or resigns, new coach comes in and re-sells the program.  Promises a much more active passing game than the previous staff could ever muster.  A few won't like a cnahge and will look elsewhere.  But the new coach should be able to keep a majority of the recruiting class.  If not, then we will be in worse shape with the new coach than Nutt, sad to say.

[Peppa Pig]

So why dont we just fire DMW now and get a new coach to show the commits that we are not going to let that happen?

Exactly.  at this point the season is shot.  Fire nutt, make wood the interim HC as he has HC experience.  It would show everyone we are committed to progress.  All of the sudden there would be no banners and angry fans.  everyone would show up to games in full force to support the team.  Then when we get a new coach he would come into a good environment rather than what we have now.

You forget one important component of this equation.  Sure the banners would stop and the fans would be happy (which is obviously the most important thing) but what about the players??  How do you think they'd feel about losing their coach mid-season.  Do you think they'd be focussed and giving their all to finish out the year.

They don't share the same worship and idolatry for all things Springdale like most people on this board.  They follow Nutt and deserve to finish out the season with their head coach.

Then the very second that clocks ticks to zero after the last game, kick that sorry bum to the curb.

[The_Iceman]

Let's get realistic.  When have you ever heard of 50-75% of a recruiting class decommit and go elsewhere?  That is just not going to happen, folks. Will we lose one?  Yes.  Will we lose more than one?  Almost certainly.  But to say that 10-15 will decommit and go elsewhere is ubsurd.  Especially considering most of our commitments are in-state boys. 

Looking through the list, I see a maximum of 5 decommits.  And that I think would be a worst case scenario.  I'm not going to name names of whom I feel may switch.  One of two things are going to happen:

1) Nutt stays b/c of the new AD coming to town.  He goes in and sells the program again, citing WR injuries as the reason for the anemic passing game.  He's a good salesman, so most will buy into it.  Him staying would probably result in the least number of decommits, or

2) Nutt is fired or resigns, new coach comes in and re-sells the program.  Promises a much more active passing game than the previous staff could ever muster.  A few won't like a cnahge and will look elsewhere.  But the new coach should be able to keep a majority of the recruiting class.  If not, then we will be in worse shape with the new coach than Nutt, sad to say.

especially if the coach is someone who brings instant credibility, whether at the Head Coaching position or the Offensive Coordinator (thinking of Gus here). If you can bring in Butch Davis or smoeone of the calibar, we will be fine recruiting wise. Same goes if you bring in Charlie Strong or Bo Pelini and have Gus as the OC. I would even say Sarkasian from USC could keep the recruits with what he has done out there.

[The_Iceman]

So why dont we just fire DMW now and get a new coach to show the commits that we are not going to let that happen?

Exactly.  at this point the season is shot.  Fire nutt, make wood the interim HC as he has HC experience.  It would show everyone we are committed to progress.  All of the sudden there would be no banners and angry fans.  everyone would show up to games in full force to support the team.  Then when we get a new coach he would come into a good environment rather than what we have now.

You forget one important component of this equation.  Sure the banners would stop and the fans would be happy (which is obviously the most important thing) but what about the players??  How do you think they'd feel about losing their coach mid-season.  Do you think they'd be focussed and giving their all to finish out the year.

They don't share the same worship and idolatry for all things Springdale like most people on this board.  They follow Nutt and deserve to finish out the season with their head coach.

Then the very second that clocks ticks to zero after the last game, kick that sorry bum to the curb.

i agree totally with that PoohPig

[Tomhog™]

I want Nutt fired badly, but not midseason.  Makes no sense to fire midseason.  It is a very RARE occurance when that happens.  It happened to Crowe because we lost to the Citadel.  Back then, coaches were held to a higher accountability at Arkansas.  Nutt could lose to them now and still keep his job.  Let him ride out the season and can him come December 1st when we end up not in a bowl game.

[Peppa Pig]

I want Nutt fired badly, but not midseason.  Makes no sense to fire midseason.  It is a very RARE occurance when that happens.  It happened to Crowe because we lost to the Citadel.  Back then, coaches were held to a higher accountability at Arkansas.  Nutt could lose to them now and still keep his job.  Let him ride out the season and can him come December 1st when we end up not in a bowl game.

What if we make a bowl game???

I still say fire him after the LSU game with or without a bowl.  We can use an interim coach for the bowl and that gives us a head start on the coaching search.  That's fairly commonplace now whereas firing your coach mid-season hardly ever happens.

[Tomhog™]

I want Nutt fired badly, but not midseason.  Makes no sense to fire midseason.  It is a very RARE occurance when that happens.  It happened to Crowe because we lost to the Citadel.  Back then, coaches were held to a higher accountability at Arkansas.  Nutt could lose to them now and still keep his job.  Let him ride out the season and can him come December 1st when we end up not in a bowl game.

What if we make a bowl game???

I still say fire him after the LSU game with or without a bowl.  We can use an interim coach for the bowl and that gives us a head start on the coaching search.  That's fairly commonplace now whereas firing your coach mid-season hardly ever happens.

With a bowl game?  I say fire him after the bowl game.  But start talking to other coaches that may be interested in the job before-hand.

[hogtusk]

They will not come here, the way things are. Our work is almost complete.

they will be here. the new coach will convince them to stay.

Bet they'd love to play for Malzahn.

I think he already recruited them.

[DeltaBoy]

If enough kids start to bolt then maybe the BOT will get moving!

[PorkSoda]

So why dont we just fire DMW now and get a new coach to show the commits that we are not going to let that happen?

Exactly.  at this point the season is shot.  Fire Mr. 2012, make wood the interim HC as he has HC experience.  It would show everyone we are committed to progress.  All of the sudden there would be no banners and angry fans.  everyone would show up to games in full force to support the team.  Then when we get a new coach he would come into a good environment rather than what we have now.

You forget one important component of this equation.  Sure the banners would stop and the fans would be happy (which is obviously the most important thing) but what about the players??  How do you think they'd feel about losing their coach mid-season.  Do you think they'd be focussed and giving their all to finish out the year.

They don't share the same worship and idolatry for all things Springdale like most people on this board.  They follow Mr. 2012 and deserve to finish out the season with their head coach.

Then the very second that clocks ticks to zero after the last game, kick that sorry bum to the curb.

I don't worship springdale, and I don't think the whole team has bought in to HDN's system.  They run it because they would be benched otherwise, but they way the team has played does not lead me to believe they are against having a new coach.  The fact is the team is already demoralized, they have yet to win an SEC game and have struggled against lesser opponents.  The problem with HDN is that the fanbase mostly would be willing to support him even if he was struggling on offense, if he was a man of integrity.  The problem is that he is not, and will run the team into the ground with his stubborn self serving attitude.  The springdale debacle enlightened a lot of people.  The other reality is that we will be 0-8 or 1-7 in the SEC regardless of if he is fired mid season or not.  I say might as well get it over with.  He's not calling the plays anyway right?

[slopinhogs]

it will all be over someday soon ,some day soon ,some day.......

[slopinhogs]

if they don't like the helmet then we don't want them anyway. wright?

[disGUSted]

Thought all along thier might be a chance the early commits were just a way to keep pressure off til the last minute when some would switch to Tenn (spread offense) or LSU ( BCS Bowls).
I've been a real hog fan since '64 ( yeah, I started in mu mother's womb!) Love the hogs dearly, but if my son was a standout WR and ARK offerred along with someone who actually has a passing game, I'd have to kick his butt all the way to the other campus for his own good!

[disGUSted]

it will all be over someday soon ,some day soon ,some day.......

I'm believing that less every day, It's all on John White and he seems to want to de-emphasise athletics, and Nutt is your best bet to accomplish that!

[FayettenamVeteran]

If I were a wide receiver there is no way in Hell I'd play for Nutt and his offense.  You won't develop, you won't catch balls, what balls you do catch will be done running limited routes. 

If Arkansas signs all of these wide outs, Arkansas will suck for years to come.  Not because the kids aren't good.  But because they'll languish on the sidelines and be wasted scholarships when Nutt should have signed OLinemen, running backs.  Jerry Rice wouldn't be worth salt on a Houston Nutt coached team. 

[jj202020]

Yeah, and neither would Joe Montana.

[ArkansasI]

it will all be over someday soon ,some day soon ,some day.......

I'm believing that less every day, It's all on John White and he seems to want to de-emphasise athletics, and Nutt is your best bet to accomplish that!

Why do you think White wants to de-emphasise athletics?  At a school like Arkansas, athletics are the primary connection with our donor base.

Can we move on from this idea?