Wow!

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

I admit I haven't been following this team this year.  I do look on here a bit, and I occasionally notice if they win or lose.  I remember when I used to always know tip time and opponent.  Also knew if it was on TV.  If not I would find a way to watch or listen online.

It used to tickle me to see us as a 25 point favorite with the Vegas line.

It has gotten so bad that if I wanna know if they are going to play I check the line, and I look down the underdog column first to find the hogs and see who they are playing.  The following day when I open the sports page I look in the column to the right as well to locate the hogs.  Of course the losing team is on the right column.  I look to see how much we lost by.

I mean I think Baylor destroyed the Hogs, and it wasn't long ago that Baylor had players freaking shooting each other.


Will it ever get better?

[thirtythree]

7 years ago

[rude1]

Not in the foreseeable future. You have taken the right approach, don't care. I still keep up with the team, but it doesn't bother me that they lose any longer, matter of fact, I expect them to lose anytime the competition is marginally good. I mean who actually believes they will win today?

[WilsonHog]

I still watch every game, not necessarily to root for the Hogs but to see the carnage. Sort of like watching a wreck on the highway (kudos to Springsteen).

[Lanny]

Not in the foreseeable future. You have taken the right approach, don't care. I still keep up with the team, but it doesn't bother me that they lose any longer, matter of fact, I expect them to lose anytime the competition is marginally good. I mean who actually believes they will win today?

Anytime Arkansas takes the floor against a Div 1 team I expect a loss.  I don't believe there could be a worse coach in D1 than John Pelphrey.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

Anytime Arkansas takes the floor against a Div 1 team I expect a loss.  I don't believe there could be a worse coach in D1 than John Pelphrey.

I could not agree more.

[RedSatinHog]

Anytime Arkansas takes the floor against a Div 1 team I expect a loss.  I don't believe there could be a worse coach in D1 than John Pelphrey.

A year ago, I was one of the few on this forum who actually stood on the side of Pel's supporters.  That continued right up to when we started losing to smaller mid major schools and directional schools at home this season.

The worst part of it is that I like Pelphrey and wanted him to be hired before we ever hired Altman, but business is business.  I would rather that he salvage whatever shred of dignity he has left and leave before it gets ugly. 

[Lanny]

Didn't they give Heath 5 years? Pelphrey deserves at least that.  You sure can spew the HATE. Is that a special talent you have or are you trying to discourage any talent who might check out Hogville.net?

There is no Hate.  I believe Pelphrey is a horrible coach.  I don't respect losers

[rude1]

Didn't they give Heath 5 years? Pelphrey deserves at least that.  You sure can spew the HATE. Is that a special talent you have or are you trying to discourage any talent who might check out Hogville.net?

Ummmm. Heath, as bad as he was, was NIT eligible in his third year and went to NCAA in years four and five. Now do you see Pelphrey duplicating that?

Pelphrey took what would have been Heaths third NCAA team and from there is in the process of producing back to back losing seasons. When was the last time that has happened in Razorback history?

[Lanny]

Pelphrey blew his chance last year finishing with 2 conference wins.  Should have been fired last year.

[Tomhog™]

and replaced with who? Come on, Lanny...  Who is this big time coach coming in here to change your outlook?  Why didn't they come here last time we had an opening?  I'm open to any of your suggestions.

You must not read this forum often if you are seriously asking that first question.

[grayhawg]

Didn't they give Heath 5 years? Pelphrey deserves at least that.  You sure can spew the HATE. Is that a special talent you have or are you trying to discourage any talent who might check out Hogville.net?

I don't believe hate has anything to do with it, in my case I know it doesn't. I like John Pelphrey as a person but I don't think he is a div 1 Coach. In over 35 years is sales I have had to let people go that I really liked, but if they are not producing, they are costing the company money and  have to be let go. It is a matter of survival, with Pel Ar. Basketball is doomed IMO.

Pel has to go.

[forrest city joe]

Pelphrey blew his chance last year finishing with 2 conference wins.  Should have been fired last year.

Bingo Lanny! right on the money. i said the same thing last year.

[ishankem]

I still watch every game, not necessarily to root for the Hogs but to see the carnage. Sort of like watching a wreck on the highway (kudos to Springsteen).

I watch every game on tv that I can and pull for Pelphrey to turn it around. Hope is in short supply lately. I don't see too many wins from here on out. 2-14 from last year is starting to sound good to me.  That's how bad it has gotten.

[losthawg68]

PELPHREY IS THE BEST COACH WE HAVE HAD SINCE STAN HEATH! 

[ballinhog]

PELPHREY IS THE BEST COACH WE HAVE HAD SINCE STAN HEATH! 

The best head coach since stan...rob evans is the best coach

[losthawg68]

The best head coach since stan...rob evans is the best coach

[HogBreath]

I knew Pelphrey was in trouble last year when we lost to Ole Miss's 2nd team.

Also, getting drilled at home by Auburn didn't help any.

We got lucky and caught Bama the day after they fired Gottfried, lost to them the 2nd time around when their team had a chance to regroup.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

and replaced with who? Come on, Lanny...  Who is this big time coach coming in here to change your outlook?  Why didn't they come here last time we had an opening?  I'm open to any of your suggestions.

Honestly I think I could have coached LR central to two SEC wins last year.  Entire conf was down and that was absolutely crazy to not send him packing afterward.   Hey they could get the bigtime coach, but they will have to pay more than a powerhouse school to get one. 

This coach is simply a joke.  The players he has.  He signed.  By coach pel.  I use the word coach lightly.

[Oklahoma Diamond Hog]

I have been hanging on this season. I have watched every game and continued to be a supporter(not a lover) of coach pel. I still hold out a slim amount of hope that the tide will turn. However, after the UAB game I will leave it at this...I am ashamed. I will still support whoever represents the program, but hope for the best...the answer is out there but I don't believe it is MA.

[ge-erdone]

and replaced with who? Come on, Lanny...  Who is this big time coach coming in here to change your outlook?  Why didn't they come here last time we had an opening?  I'm open to any of your suggestions.

I believe hsv(Lanny) has formed a coalition with other longtime posters, such as FCJ, and even Wally Hall, to show the money, whatever amount, to get Mike Anderson to replace John Pelphrey.

Wally wrote in his column that Lanny was helping him set up a blog site.

I do not know anything about hsv, but he seems to have a strong association with much of the LR media, such as Channel 4 and Channel ll, so I assume that their sports anchors are part of the coalition to get Anderson, and fire Pelphrey, and being the owner of Hogville, has a lot input to some of the top boosters for the U of A athletic department.

I assume he did not attend Pelphrey's address at the sports banquet, before the Baylor game was played.

BTW, for me if Pelphrey is to be replaced, anyone besides Mike Anderson.

There are a lot of good memories with Nolan and Mike, but more bad in the latter part, of Nolan and Mike's time at the U of A.

Nolan loves to burn bridges.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

I believe hsv(Lanny) has formed a coalition with other longtime posters, such as FCJ, and even Wally Hall, to show the money, whatever amount, to get Mike Anderson to replace John Pelphrey.

I do not know anything about hsv, but he seems to have a strong association with much of the LR media, such as Channel 4 and Channel ll, so I assume that their sports anchors are part of the coalition to get Anderson, and fire Pelphrey, and being the owner of Hogville, has a lot input to some of the top boosters for the U of A athletic department.

I assume he did not attend Pelphrey's address at the sports banquet, before the Baylor game was played.

LOL..  What d-1 program doesn't have alliances involving boosters, media, and whomever else.  If what you are saying is correct then go Lanny.  Get him out of here.(Pel that is)

[ge-erdone]

LOL..  What d-1 program doesn't have alliances involving boosters, media, and whomever else.  If what you are saying is correct then go Lanny.  Get him out of here.(Pel that is)

Well, there is some boosters, media, and fans that believe John Pelphrey has not been given a fair chance at turning the program around, based on past hires and experience.

On the latest debacle of losing to UAB, I remember in Richardson's second year, the Hogs were in a very close game, with time running out, and the Hogs were throwing in the ball and just needed to hold the ball to win, and guess what, the ball was intercepted, and yep, we lost.

BTW, I did not feel like LOL, and I did not try to start a campaign to get Richardson fired.

I just said, well the Hogs are still trying to learn, how not to lose.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

Well, there is some boosters, media, and fans that believe John Pelphrey has not been given a fair chance at turning the program around, based on past hires and experience.

On the latest debacle of losing to UAB, I remember in Richardson's second year, the Hogs were in a very close game, with time running out, and the Hogs were throwing in the ball and just needed to hold the ball to win, and guess what, the ball was intercepted, and yep, we lost.

BTW, I did not feel like LOL, and I did not try to start a campaign to get Richardson fired.

I just said, well the Hogs are still trying to learn, how not to lose.

First of all this isn't Pel's second year.  Also he has been given as much a shot as Heath was.  I don't think Stan Heath was any miracle worker, but he was not a total dumpster fire like Pel has been.

[ge-erdone]

First of all this isn't Pel's second year.  Also he has been given as much a shot as Heath was.  I don't think Stan Heath was any miracle worker, but he was not a total dumpster fire like Pel has been.

Heath, Van Eman, all the others got 5 years.

[ErieHog]

First of all this isn't Pel's second year.  Also he has been given as much a shot as Heath was.  I don't think Stan Heath was any miracle worker, but he was not a total dumpster fire like Pel has been.

How quickly people forget the Stan Heath Era.  Oh-- and Heath had 5 years.   Pel still has a better career SEC mark, has defeated more ranked teams, has a better road record, and a better overall record than Heath,  despite having 2 years and a bit under his belt, compared to five.    Dumpster fire is in the eye of the beholder--  I mean, if you want to fire every coach that wins at a clip of Pel's or worse overall, in conference play, and against ranked opponents, we'd already be looking at a new football coach too.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

How quickly people forget the Stan Heath Era.  Oh-- and Heath had 5 years.   Pel still has a better career SEC mark, has defeated more ranked teams, has a better road record, and a better overall record than Heath,  despite having 2 years and a bit under his belt, compared to five.    Dumpster fire is in the eye of the beholder--  I mean, if you want to fire every coach that wins at a clip of Pel's or worse overall, in conference play, and against ranked opponents, we'd already be looking at a new football coach too.

You are comparing what Pel took over to what petrino inherited in football? 

As for Heath.  Did his teams seem to improve even if slightly?   Conf play?  Heck lets see if we can win a non-conf game with pel before worrying about the dismal conf record.  That's a silly comparison erie and you know it.

[tiber]

Excuse me, are those blue suede shoes that I see?

/cues up the Elvis .m3u in winamp

[ErieHog]

You are comparing what Pel took over to what petrino inherited in football? 

As for Heath.  Did his teams seem to improve even if slightly?   Conf play?  Heck lets see if we can win a non-conf game with pel before worrying about the dismal conf record.  That's a silly comparison erie and you know it.

Not really, no.   Not more than this bunch has improved over last season. 

Pel inherited a different type of dumpster fire than Petrino, but he still was handed the keys to the Titanic.   

It's an apt comparison;  the entire difference between the programs right now boils down to what people 'feel' about them--  if they compared actual, on the field results, they would be staggered to find how similar the programs are.

This is a bad basketball team, but it's not like this was a surprise that was sprung on everyone in November,  nor was what was coming last year a shocker to anyone-- the real shocker was that they played so well into December last year.

People absolutely love to come on and hammer Pel after every loss, but it's awfully quiet after each win, save a few diehard Pel fans who crow about the achievement.   I tell bashers and Pel fans the same thing-- this is a long season, filled with ups and downs-- getting too excited or too discouraged due to any result is just going to drive a person crazy.    The  team is what it is, and it needs to grow up-- and the only thing that will tell us what the ultimate quality of the product will be,  is time.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

Not really, no.   Not more than this bunch has improved over last season. 

Pel inherited a different type of dumpster fire than Petrino, but he still was handed the keys to the Titanic.  

It's an apt comparison;  the entire difference between the programs right now boils down to what people 'feel' about them--  if they compared actual, on the field results, they would be staggered to find how similar the programs are.

This is a bad basketball team, but it's not like this was a surprise that was sprung on everyone in November,  nor was what was coming last year a shocker to anyone-- the real shocker was that they played so well into December last year.

People absolutely love to come on and hammer Pel after every loss, but it's awfully quiet after each win, save a few diehard Pel fans who crow about the achievement.   I tell bashers and Pel fans the same thing-- this is a long season, filled with ups and downs-- getting too excited or too discouraged due to any result is just going to drive a person crazy.    The  team is what it is, and it needs to grow up-- and the only thing that will tell us what the ultimate quality of the product will be,  is time.

No the real shocker was the pelamaniacs screaming and yelling about all the superstar recruits and sooooooooo much better when we get Heath's guys out of here.   soooooo?

No.  This is on Pel.  Don't know anything about him on a personal level.  Pretty sure I know getting worse when I see it.

[ErieHog]

No the real shocker was the pelamaniacs screaming and yelling about all the superstar recruits and sooooooooo much better when we get Heath's guys out of here.   soooooo?

No.  This is on Pel.  Don't know anything about him on a personal level.  Pretty sure I know getting worse when I see it.

You know what you feel in the moment.  Stepping back, and looking at it in the bigger picture, there's no question it's not as bad as the Heath era.

Nothing is ever as bad , nor, by contrast, as good as it seems in any given moment.

This is a team that's going to struggle mightily, and probably will win between 4-6 SEC games this year, and will come in about  13-19 to 11-22.    They'll continue to lose close games late, struggle mightily on the road, and generally have problems with turnovers.  That's a young basketball team, at it's very essence.

[tiber]

No the real shocker was the pelamaniacs screaming and yelling about all the superstar recruits and sooooooooo much better when we get Heath's guys out of here.   soooooo?

No.  This is on Pel.  Don't know anything about him on a personal level.  Pretty sure I know getting worse when I see it.

What or who is a pelamaniac? 

It's this idiocy that continually makes it hard to have or appreciate a decent basketball discussion.  This is like No Child Left Behind.

Do you honestly think if the coach gets canned and someone else magically comes in and starts winning that people are going to be upset?  Not that this will happen anytime soon, as ErieHog tried (in vain I might add) to explain just above.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

What or who is a pelamaniac? 

It's this idiocy that continually makes it hard to have or appreciate a decent basketball discussion.  This is like No Child Left Behind.

Do you honestly think if the coach gets canned and someone else magically comes in and starts winning that people are going to be upset?  Not that this will happen anytime soon, as ErieHog tried (in vain I might add) to explain just above.

A pelamaniac is someone that will blindly defend a coach (pelphrey) because he is the one leading your team.  If you wanna call me an idiot just do so [CENSORED]. 

He is in over his head.  Pretty much all there is to it.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

Heath

2002–2003    Arkansas    9-19    4-12    T-5rd (West)    
2003–2004    Arkansas    12-16    4-12    6th (West)    
2004–2005    Arkansas    18-12    6-10    4th (West)    
2005–2006    Arkansas    22-10    10-6    T-2nd (West)    NCAA First Round
2006–2007    Arkansas    21-14    7-9    T-3rd (West)    NCAA First Round


Pel


2007–2008    Arkansas    23-13    9-7    2nd (West)    NCAA 2nd Round
2008–2009    Arkansas    14-16    2-14    6th (West)    
2009–2010    Arkansas    7-5       


Getting better?

[tiber]

A pelamaniac is someone that will blindly defend a coach (pelphrey) because he is the one leading your team.  If you wanna call me an idiot just do so ***. 

He is in over his head.  Pretty much all there is to it.

I know this will require a mental leap, but the people who apparently have viewpoints contrary to yours are... wait for it... Razorback fans.  Not Pelphrey fans.  Nobody will cry if Pelphrey leaves.

Don't feel special because I chose to comment on your post, you're clearly in good company.

[ErieHog]

Heath

2002–2003    Arkansas    9-19    4-12    T-5rd (West)    
2003–2004    Arkansas    12-16    4-12    6th (West)    
2004–2005    Arkansas    18-12    6-10    4th (West)    
2005–2006    Arkansas    22-10    10-6    T-2nd (West)    NCAA First Round
2006–2007    Arkansas    21-14    7-9    T-3rd (West)    NCAA First Round


Pel


2007–2008    Arkansas    23-13    9-7    2nd (West)    NCAA 2nd Round
2008–2009    Arkansas    14-16    2-14    6th (West)    
2009–2010    Arkansas    7-5       


Getting better?

Yes,  getting better on the court.   This year's team is better than last year's team, and it will show in the end conference record. 

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

I know this will require a mental leap, but the people who apparently have viewpoints contrary to yours are... wait for it... Razorback fans.  Not Pelphrey fans.  Nobody will cry if Pelphrey leaves.

Don't feel special because I chose to comment on your post, you're clearly in good company.

I would say Razorback fans want what is best for the program.  I suppose it will take that mental leap you speak of for you to realize Pel leaving would be just that.  The best thing for the program. 

[ErieHog]

I would say Razorback fans want what is best for the program.  I suppose it will take that mental leap you speak of for you to realize Pel leaving would be just that.  The best thing for the program. 

Because restarting the rebuilding project again at 0 sounds so promising.  I'm looking forward to another 3 year period before I can even begin to expect any results......

I'd rather finish giving this one a full shot, before booting it all back up again.   

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

Because restarting the rebuilding project again at 0 sounds so promising.  I'm looking forward to another 3 year period before I can even begin to expect any results......

I'd rather finish giving this one a full shot, before booting it all back up again.  

I will agree that unless they have a particular coach in mind and agreement in place it would be silly to start over.  That was the problem the first time.  It got to the point where I started looking in NWA classifieds to see the coach wanted ad. 

Go back to the down and dirty.  Get your guy (one that already has a job) throw a ton of dough at him and get him at all costs.  A big name coach can jump start a program in a hurry in most cases.  The days of getting one because of the program are long gone.  Going to take long green. 

[realistichog]

Erie predicts 4 to 6 wins in conference and we are supposed to get excited about that? Besides more than 2 wins is a pipe dream.

[ErieHog]

I will agree that unless they have a particular coach in mind and agreement in place it would be silly to start over.  That was the problem the first time.  It got to the point where I started looking in NWA classifieds to see the coach wanted ad. 

Go back to the down and dirty.  Get your guy (one that already has a job) throw a ton of dough at him and get him at all costs.  A big name coach can jump start a program in a hurry in most cases.  The days of getting one because of the program are long gone.  Going to take long green. 

Actually, as it's been illustrated, it doesn't matter who the coach is-- if the infrastructure isn't already in place, or if they don't cut serious corners, the *best* case scenario for a rebuild is 3 years, but usually closer to 5.

Tom Crean is among the best in the business.  Indiana had a horrible mess not too dissimilar to where we were when Pel got here-- a ship that was mid-sinking.

He's got them to playing .500 basketball this year, after 6-24 last season.  They're still losing just about every game against a team with a pulse, and have struggled mightily just like we have. 

There are no miracles.  There are no shortcuts.

[tiber]

Actually, as it's been illustrated, it doesn't matter who the coach is-- if the infrastructure isn't already in place, or if they don't cut serious corners, the *best* case scenario for a rebuild is 3 years, but usually closer to 5.

Tom Crean is among the best in the business.  Indiana had a horrible mess not too dissimilar to where we were when Pel got here-- a ship that was mid-sinking.

He's got them to playing .500 basketball this year, after 6-24 last season.  They're still losing just about every game against a team with a pulse, and have struggled mightily just like we have. 

There are no miracles.  There are no shortcuts.

[heathtits]

We're actually 7-7.

[heathtits]

Tom Crean is among the best in the business.  Indiana had a horrible mess not too dissimilar to where we were when Pel got here-- a ship that was mid-sinking.

So what you're saying is there actually are coaches who will walk into situations similar to ours? I thought that was impossible?

Tom Crean also hasn't lost 7 of his first 17 recruits. That number might reach 8 in the near future.

[ErieHog]

So what you're saying is there actually are coaches who will walk into situations similar to ours? I thought that was impossible?

Tom Crean also hasn't lost 7 of his first 17 recruits. That number might reach 8 in the near future.

Crean agreed to take over at Indiana only after getting a 10 year guaranteed contract, them paying the Marquette buyout, and at a  cheap end pay of $2 million (escalating to nearly $3),   and a minimum of $3 million for any termination, with or without cause.