Too Bad Clarke isnt 6ft. 4-5

[Beaverfever]

Just reread the thread.  Still busting a gut over that Stockton comment. 

[IronHog]

Players like Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Hakeem were the same way...Oh wait, they played the same time Stockton did!  That's just not possible.

Seattle's starting frontline, a team Utah (Stockton was on that team, FYI) BEAT to go to the Finals, was 6'9, 6'10, 7'0.





Stop making stuff up.!

1.  Those guys were sloth's compared to today's front line players.

Guys like Garnett and Howard have taken the place of the traditional play within a few feet of the basket center.

2.  The NBA of yesterday was built on skills.  Today's NBA is built on the uberathlete highlight for sportscenter.  Stockton wouldn't have nearly the success in today's NBA no matter what you guys think. 

(He probably wouldn't even have played BB anyway if he came up in the USA today.  The vast majority of skill first players come from europe.)

[thirtythree]

This is the frontrunner for my "Dumbest post of the weekend"  award.

I would have to agree with this.

[Hogimus Prime]

1.  Those guys were sloth's compared to today's front line players.

Guys like Garnett and Howard have taken the place of the traditional play within a few feet of the basket center.

2.  The NBA of yesterday was built on skills.  Today's NBA is built on the uberathlete highlight for sportscenter.  Stockton wouldn't have nearly the success in today's NBA no matter what you guys think. 

(He probably wouldn't even have played BB anyway if he came up in the USA today.  The vast majority of skill first players come from europe.)

Ewing, Robinson and Hakeem the Dream were not sloths.   All three had very good footwork and could run the floor.   

Howard is athletic and strong but those three would have him on the bench in foul trouble before tip off.

[TDHog]

Getting back to the thread......it is a good thing, because then maybe he could be among the league leaders in PPG and FG%, oh wait ;-)

[HogInThaGrove]

Ewing, Robinson and Hakeem the Dream were not sloths.   All three had very good footwork and could run the floor.   

Howard is athletic and strong but those three would have him on the bench in foul trouble before tip off.

I might leave Ewing out of that bunch, he was athletic in the NBA for like 1.5 seasons, then his knees went to pot and he couldn't run anymore.  Still a very very very effective center though, in those times.  The Dream would make alot of these kids look retarded these days, he was the man. David Robinson was very good and is a better person.  I hate the spurs, but love DR.

[Lando Calrissian]

Guys like Garnett and Howard have taken the place of the traditional play within a few feet of the basket center.

Yep, all two of them.

Who else?

A Garnett is a dime a dozen, according to you.

6'8+ players that can dribble and shoot are SOOOOO two decades ago.




I'm happy that you've just now discovered basketball.  Welcome to the club.

[spahoopsfan]

I tried to tell people here his height would be an issue.  Very few would listen.


Clarke would be VERY good on a high IQ team that could play to his strengths and hide his weakness.  Most SEC teams will force him to shoot from NBA range and abuse him on the defensive end of the floor with less skilled more athletic players.  Arkansas could use him better, but they don't have the smarts to do it..........

You act like he isn't doing very well.  He leads the conference in three point percentage and is second in scoring and is defended very game with someone five to six inches taller.  His biggest need is for the hogs to have another outside shooter which Farmer was suppose to be. 

[IronHog]

You act like he isn't doing very well.  He leads the conference in three point percentage and is second in scoring and is defended very game with someone five to six inches taller.  His biggest need is for the hogs to have another outside shooter which Farmer was suppose to be. 

I like Clarke, but he struggles to get his shot off against good D, and the other team simply plays over his head when he is on defense.


Really hard for a team to run two guards as short as Fortson and Clarke at the same time and play decent perimeter defense.  The better guards are either taller or can elevate over them even if they do a decent job closing out........

[IronHog]

Yep, all two of them.

Who else?

A Garnett is a dime a dozen, according to you.

6'8+ players that can dribble and shoot are SOOOOO two decades ago.




I'm happy that you've just now discovered basketball.  Welcome to the club.

I followed basketball a great deal when they still played basketball.

This modern, "urbanized" version of the game isn't very entertaining to me.

[fantom]

IT was too bad I wasn't 6-4 and 250. I'd be starting tight end for the razorback. Ive already got the 4.6 in the 40.

[Lando Calrissian]

This modern, "urbanized" version of the game isn't very entertaining to me.

Guys that can dribble, shoot, and play D aren't very entertaining?

[rude1]

This is the frontrunner for my "Dumbest post of the weekend"  award.

^^^ This. John Stockon would play and star in any era.

[rude1]

1.  Those guys were sloth's compared to today's front line players.

Guys like Garnett and Howard have taken the place of the traditional play within a few feet of the basket center.

2.  The NBA of yesterday was built on skills.  Today's NBA is built on the uberathlete highlight for sportscenter.  Stockton wouldn't have nearly the success in today's NBA no matter what you guys think. 

(He probably wouldn't even have played BB anyway if he came up in the USA today.  The vast majority of skill first players come from europe.)

You seem to know less about the game than anyone posting in this thread. On Stockton's own team was a 7'4"Center in Mark Eaton, and a 6'9" bull power Forward in Karl Malone. Yet you seem to say there was no size playing back then. The Stockton & Malone pick and roll would work in any era you put it in, including today. Hell everyone knew that was the play Utah was going to run, yet it worked for a decade or better.

[IronHog]

You seem to know less about the game than anyone posting in this thread. On Stockton's own team was a 7'4"Center in Mark Eaton, and a 6'9" bull power Forward in Karl Malone. Yet you seem to say there was no size playing back then. The Stockton & Malone pick and roll would work in any era you put it in, including today. Hell everyone knew that was the play Utah was going to run, yet it worked for a decade or better.

Mark Eaton is a great example of the type of player that no longer plays in the NBA.  He was mostly a lane clogger that wouldn't have the athleticism to match up with today's jump first, skill second NBA players.

Most Stockton's success came from playing with a guy like Malone in the specific era he played.    He wouldn't have nearly the success in today's NBA.

[IronHog]

Guys that can dribble, shoot, and play D aren't very entertaining?

Arkansas has those?

[Lando Calrissian]

Yeah, playing with the great Antoine Carr definitely skewed Stockton's stats.

[crjep]

This thread gets my vote for worst ever, and at the same time sets the record for the single most igorant statments in one thread. 

For those saying Clarke has trouble getting his shot off, struggles, etc - 3 point percentage - 48.8;  61 - most 3 pointers in the country;  Can't get his shot off versus bigger teams - vs. now #1 Texas, 8 of 16, and 4 of 10 from 3 point line, team high 24 points;    And.....he plays for a team that won't even begin to screen for him and a point guard that does not pass him the ball (at least Fortson has managed to now become the NCAA leader in turnovers per game).   

AND....HE'S A SOPHOMORE!!!!

And to say Stockton couldn't make it in today's NBA....What can you say - he retired, what 5 years ago;  led the leage 9 years straight in assists and has the most assists in history at 15,806 (Magic is just over 10,000);  All time steal leader at 3,625 - I don't think anyone is even within 1,000 steals of him.

Todays NBA is much less talented than the 80's - 90's due to having more teams,kids entering at a much younger age and the dominance of AAU basketball that doesn't allow skill players to develop.

Again, absurd thread - I've often said I could have made it in the NBA, if I had just been 12 inches taller, could shoot better, jump higher, pass better, better rebounder......... 

[SunshinePumper]

This thread gets my vote for worst ever, and at the same time sets the record for the single most igorant statments in one thread. 

For those saying Clarke has trouble getting his shot off, struggles, etc - 3 point percentage - 48.8;  61 - most 3 pointers in the country;  Can't get his shot off versus bigger teams - vs. now #1 Texas, 8 of 16, and 4 of 10 from 3 point line, team high 24 points;    And.....he plays for a team that won't even begin to screen for him and a point guard that does not pass him the ball (at least Fortson has managed to now become the NCAA leader in turnovers per game).   

AND....HE'S A SOPHOMORE!!!!

And to say Stockton couldn't make it in today's NBA....What can you say - he retired, what 5 years ago;  led the leage 9 years straight in assists and has the most assists in history at 15,806 (Magic is just over 10,000);  All time steal leader at 3,625 - I don't think anyone is even within 1,000 steals of him.

Todays NBA is much less talented than the 80's - 90's due to having more teams,kids entering at a much younger age and the dominance of AAU basketball that doesn't allow skill players to develop.

Again, absurd thread - I've often said I could have made it in the NBA, if I had just been 12 inches taller, could shoot better, jump higher, pass better, better rebounder.........

If I was a 8 feet tall and 400lb , I'd show Shaquille O'Neal who's boss.

[ICEman]

The Bird Man from French Lick was 6' 9".

[Lando Calrissian]

Rotnei might only be 5'11, but with the support of our crazy wild Hog wild insane fans he plays like he's 153'7!

[jman]

If Shaq were 6 - 6, he may have never played in the NBA, heck he may have never D1 either.  You guys telling me that height dont make a difference in a skilled player?   How bout a 6 foot Michael Jordan?  6 foot Larry Bird.........think those guys would have been able to dominate if they were 6 foot tall?  Nope!  Is Clarke going to grow any taller....probably not, but just for arguments sake, lets say he grows 4 inches this summer.  None of you think a 6foot 4 Clarke wouldnt be an SEC nightmare for defenders?