How is KJ Hill not a 5 star?

[hogfan870]

Serious question.  He has Saban and Meyer - two of the best, if not the top two coaches/recruiters in the game - battling for him, and apparently willing to make room for him (AL is already asking people to grayshirt and Oh St is already at 25).  Just don't get it.  If he is really good enough for those two to bump other players, I would have to think he is a five star. 

Oh, and I have no idea if we even have a chance to get him, but I do like the fact that we have one of his team mates as a preferred walk-on - can't do anything but help

[Peter Porker]

Because of his speed.

[Russ22]

Serious question.  He has Saban and Meyer - two of the best, if not the top two coaches/recruiters in the game - battling for him, and apparently willing to make room for him (AL is already asking people to grayshirt and Oh St is already at 25).  Just don't get it.  If he is really good enough for those two to bump other players, I would have to think he is a five star. 

Oh, and I have no idea if we even have a chance to get him, but I do like the fact that we have one of his team mates as a preferred walk-on - can't do anything but help

Best WR in Arkansas does not always justify a 5* ranking. It isn't like these recruiting services are out to get kids. They evaluate size, speed, quickness, agility, and (to some extent) production before including the offer list. KJ has some great measurable quantities, but he didn't have the production I would expect from a 5* WR playing in Arkansas. I think he is being graded appropriately in the composite ranking.

[ricepig]

Because of his speed.

Yep, he would need the HV average for a RB/WR of 4.3 to be a 5*.

[Sir Oinksalot]

...he committed early to lil Arky, now their hay is in the barn
they finally get to studying the "outlyers" and go "H..S..!!"

[Nosboar Accubond]

Easy...

[hogfan870]

Best WR in Arkansas does not always justify a 5* ranking. It isn't like these recruiting services are out to get kids. They evaluate size, speed, quickness, agility, and (to some extent) production before including the offer list. KJ has some great measurable quantities, but he didn't have the production I would expect from a 5* WR playing in Arkansas. I think he is being graded appropriately in the composite ranking.

Well whatever the evaluators for the recruiting services say, I am not buying that they are better than Meyer and Saban, who both appear to be willing to bump others to take him.

And btw, I don't mean to leave CBB and Ark out of the discussion, he is just one of the top instate players so it is pretty much a given that we are going to recruit him.

Do any of you guys who follow recruiting nationally more than I do know; are there any other players that Saban and Meyer are both still trying to sign right now?  That is, willing to bump current commits to get?  Maybe there are several, and it is not a big deal. 

[The_Iceman]

Top WR's:

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=WR

[immahog]

K.J is not going to run away from many on the next level BUT what makes him good IMO is the abilty to change direction without slowing down

[JBoroHog]

Rivals and Scout cannot give a 5* rating to anyone considering Arkansas. Once they confirm it is down to OSU and Univ of Saban, they can upgrade him

[hogfan870]

Rivals and Scout cannot give a 5* rating to anyone considering Arkansas. Once they confirm it is down to OSU and Univ of Saban, they can upgrade him

+1

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

He did have 5 stars until his step dad sold one of them

[hogfan870]

He did have 5 stars until his step dad sold one of them

Why you got to go and ruin a thread

[booogaga]

He did have 5 stars until his step dad sold one of them

hahahaha

[Russ22]

Well whatever the evaluators for the recruiting services say, I am not buying that they are better than Meyer and Saban, who both appear to be willing to bump others to take him.

And btw, I don't mean to leave CBB and Ark out of the discussion, he is just one of the top instate players so it is pretty much a given that we are going to recruit him.

Do any of you guys who follow recruiting nationally more than I do know; are there any other players that Saban and Meyer are both still trying to sign right now?  That is, willing to bump current commits to get?  Maybe there are several, and it is not a big deal. 

I am in no way discounting KJ. He is in the top 20 WR in the country, but the numbers (247) site has only 5 or 6 5* WR listed. If he were in the top 5 in the country, then he would be a 5* regardless of whether he was from Arkansas or not. He is a "take" as a player unless you are already loaded at WR. That's why Saban and Meyer want him.

[greenie]

Funny how some threads get locked, and some don't.
I can't wait to find out (will probably take weeks) what all this nonsense is about.

Oh, and KJ is VERY good.  Not sure why he's not rated higher, but IMO, he's rated high enough to give our all for his commitment.  Would hate to see him on a team with a nut as a mascot.

[Cresthog]

Why you got to go and ruin a thread

You ruined the thread when you put KJ Hill in the title.

Shrute polished a turd.

[Cresthog]

Funny how some threads get locked, and some don't.

Oh, and KJ is VERY good.  Not sure why he's not rated higher, but IMO, he's rated high enough to give our all for his commitment.  Would hate to see him on a team with a nut as a mascot.

Much rather him play there than a division rival. Wouldn't you?

[greenie]

Much rather him play there than a division rival. Wouldn't you?

yes...you got me there.  I just have this feeling he'll end up in Columbus.

[Hawg Red]

Rivals only has 34 players listed as 5 stars. That's all positions combined. There's your answer.

[hogfan870]

You ruined the thread when you put KJ Hill in the title.

Shrute polished a turd.

Our coaches are still recruiting him.  And honestly, between the preferred walk-on of his teammate and the tweets by CBB, I am more optomistic in the last 24 hours than I have been since he decommited.  I just don't think CBB would be wasting his time if he didn't think we were still in it.  That being said, I think our chances are still less than 50%

[Cresthog]

Our coaches are still recruiting him.  And honestly, between the preferred walk-on of his teammate and the tweets by CBB, I am more optomistic in the last 24 hours than I have been since he decommited.  I just don't think CBB would be wasting his time if he didn't think we were still in it.  That being said, I think our chances are still less than 50%

If he would have visited I'd be somewhat optimistic. Since he didn't, it's over IMO.

Crazier things have happened though.

[AugustaHog]

He's visited our campus soooo many more times than anywhere else.  He's seen the campus and knows the people.  If he wanted to be here, an official visit wouldn't be necessary.  I just don't believe he wants to be here.  We'll know real soon.  If he's a Hog, this has been one heck of a good ruse.

[rwspear]

Our coaches are still recruiting him.  And honestly, between the preferred walk-on of his teammate and the tweets by CBB, I am more optomistic in the last 24 hours than I have been since he decommited.  I just don't think CBB would be wasting his time if he didn't think we were still in it.  That being said, I think our chances are still less than 50%

smh

give it up man

[Wahls]

He did have 5 stars until his step dad sold one of them

Sold it to Katy Perry to use in the Super Bowl.

[choppedporkextrasauce]

Seriously he's a 3 star at best.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Seriously he's a 3 star at best.

Yep, borderline 2 star actually.

[redeye]

Well whatever the evaluators for the recruiting services say, I am not buying that they are better than Meyer and Saban, who both appear to be willing to bump others to take him.

And btw, I don't mean to leave CBB and Ark out of the discussion, he is just one of the top instate players so it is pretty much a given that we are going to recruit him.

Do any of you guys who follow recruiting nationally more than I do know; are there any other players that Saban and Meyer are both still trying to sign right now?  That is, willing to bump current commits to get?  Maybe there are several, and it is not a big deal.

Yea, they're both recruiting other players and the services aren't perfect.  Just last week, Tennessee traded a solid 4-star player for a 3-star for some reason.

Having said that, there aren't enough 5-star players for anyone to fill their class with 5-stars, only.  They're rare, and while KJ has risen a lot this year, he probably doesn't deserve a 5-star rating.

Don't get too caught up in the stars.

[Wahls]

Yep, borderline 2 star actually.

Couldn't hold Crosby Tuck's jock.

[LRRandy]

Yep, borderline 2 star actually.

yeah, those grapes would have been sour anyway.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

yeah, those grapes would have been sour anyway.

What grapes?

[LRRandy]

What grapes?

c'mon Aesop.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

c'mon Aesop.

C'mon what?  And I don't know this Aesop you speak of.

[FANONTHEHILL]

Could be level of competition.  Great numbers vs his conference, but when level went up, Fayetteville and Bentonville games for example, numbers were solid, but not steller.

[Dominicanhog]

he will be now.. they'll re-rank him now that he's @ tOSU

[31to6]

Not a Hog. 0-star now. Move on.

[LAHog124]

He did have 5 stars until his step dad sold one of them

^^^^I just now saw this and I am in tears from laughing so hard

[RazorChuck]

I think he sold 3 of them. Plus he gets free tattoos.
I am super disgusted that he signed with tOSU, I hate them so much.
But I can see now that we did not want him here, obvious prima donna, with a daddy asking, whats in it for me.

[toshortrock]

who gives a rats ass

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Well whatever the evaluators for the recruiting services say, I am not buying that they are better than Meyer and Saban, who both appear to be willing to bump others to take him.

And btw, I don't mean to leave CBB and Ark out of the discussion, he is just one of the top instate players so it is pretty much a given that we are going to recruit him.

Do any of you guys who follow recruiting nationally more than I do know; are there any other players that Saban and Meyer are both still trying to sign right now?  That is, willing to bump current commits to get?  Maybe there are several, and it is not a big deal. 

They have an arbitrarily set number of five star rankings that they will hand out. He just isn't evaluated higher than that number of other players.