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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #350 on: September 13, 2017, 02:38:01 pm »

holy shiet do you lie to yourself like this in the rest of your life?

HE HIRED HER.  If President Trump walked into a "committee" of underlings and WH staff and said "hey this lady is great i want her to work for me" do you or do you not think she is getting hired that day?

Only difference here is that Petrino is not the actual top dog at the school, and thus he lied about his relationship to his boss and it bit him in the ace because he was not discreet about it.

Petrino hired his mistress and paid her like a high priced call girl.  None of this is different than what Hugh Freeze has done, except Freeze had the good sense not to bring his hookers to work with him.

Wrong again. Ingave a copy of the letter LONG sent to JD offering her the job. I also have copies of the emails between everyone during the hiring process. I can also show that during the early evaluation process, Petrino actually recommended Tiffany Fields, NOT Dorrell. You name the time and place, I'll buy your lunch and show you ALL of it.


Plus a couple other lies about the "handwritten letter" that Bielema wrote to Long.... in APRIL, not the fall of that year like is publicized now.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #351 on: September 13, 2017, 02:41:48 pm »

You need to do a little research for yourself, look at the whole picture, and quit using the tidbits that Long and his media tell you.

Many in here should quit basing their arguments on misquoted Hogville thread titles and sensationalized headlines. Not once did Jeff Long say anything about not trying. Instead he actually said the following in his TD Club appearances the past two weeks:

“Obviously, winning is very important. We all know that. It doesn’t have to be said. An AD doesn’t have to go out and make a statement that winning is important. We all know that’s part of what we do. Every coach on our staff knows that winning is part of their job. It’s an important part of their job.”

“We just need to win some more games. And Bret knows that.”

“We truly are working harder to win more games. Winning is important. There’s no question.”

"Yes, we want to win. Yes, it’s a priority. Yes, it eats us up from the inside that we don’t win more.”

“Nobody wants to win more games than Bret Bielema, so we all want to win games. That’s what we’re here for and that’s what competition is all about.”

“We know we’re here to win football games.”

“We’re working extremely hard to win more games. Winning is important.”

“He’ll be the first to admit, and so will I, we need to win more games. And we’re working really hard to do that.”

“….we’re going out every game to win it.”


How anyone could spin those quotes to mean that we are not trying to win is beyond me.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #352 on: September 13, 2017, 02:48:41 pm »

Many in here should quit basing their arguments on misquoted Hogville thread titles and sensationalized headlines. Not once did Jeff Long say anything about not trying. Instead he actually said the following in his TD Club appearances the past two weeks:

“Obviously, winning is very important. We all know that. It doesn’t have to be said. An AD doesn’t have to go out and make a statement that winning is important. We all know that’s part of what we do. Every coach on our staff knows that winning is part of their job. It’s an important part of their job.”

“We just need to win some more games. And Bret knows that.”

“We truly are working harder to win more games. Winning is important. There’s no question.”

"Yes, we want to win. Yes, it’s a priority. Yes, it eats us up from the inside that we don’t win more.”

“Nobody wants to win more games than Bret Bielema, so we all want to win games. That’s what we’re here for and that’s what competition is all about.”

“We know we’re here to win football games.”

“We’re working extremely hard to win more games. Winning is important.”

“He’ll be the first to admit, and so will I, we need to win more games. And we’re working really hard to do that.”

“….we’re going out every game to win it.”


How anyone could spin those quotes to mean that we are not trying to win is beyond me.

Do you take everything your elected officials say at face value as well?

Just wondering what credit has been built up to justify the blind faith given the track record.

Taxes go up.
Politician say "we're gonna cut taxes!"

HawgLife says "they're cutting taxes!"
Taxes continue going up.

"But that's what they said... what part of CUT do you not understand!"
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #353 on: September 13, 2017, 02:52:54 pm »

Plus a couple other lies about the "handwritten letter" that Bielema wrote to Long.... in APRIL, not the fall of that year like is publicized now.

Not that this really amounts to anything, but I'm genuinely curious about these lies about that letter. Seems like a pretty insignificant thing to lie about.

First, you put it in quotes as if to say it either wasn't real, wasn't handwritten, or wasn't a letter. They released a pretty convincing handwritten letter after the FOIA request. Did they just make it up? Also, in the letter Bielema says it was long overdue and refers to the timing as last spring. Why did they lie about when it was sent? And did Bielema know he was going to lie about it later when he wrote it?

I'm not saying you are lying, I'm just curious why they would go through so much trouble for a letter.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #354 on: September 13, 2017, 02:55:49 pm »

Do you take everything your elected officials say at face value as well?

Just wondering what credit has been built up to justify the blind faith given the track record.

Taxes go up.
Politician say "we're gonna cut taxes!"

HawgLife says "they're cutting taxes!"
Taxes continue going up.

"But that's what they said... what part of CUT do you not understand!"
Jeff Long loves you.

Hogville says, "Jeff Long say we aren't trying to win."
Uninformed poster - Fire Jeff Long! I can't believe he said that! You can win if you don't cheat. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. He said it had to be one or the other.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #355 on: September 13, 2017, 02:56:34 pm »

You need to do a little research for yourself, look at the whole picture, and quit using the tidbits that Long and his media tell you.

Post these tidbits that your opinion is informed by that he hasn't seen. Show us the whole picture, Olan Mills.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #356 on: September 13, 2017, 03:34:31 pm »

Many in here should quit basing their arguments on misquoted Hogville thread titles and sensationalized headlines. Not once did Jeff Long say anything about not trying. Instead he actually said the following in his TD Club appearances the past two weeks:

“Obviously, winning is very important. We all know that. It doesn’t have to be said. An AD doesn’t have to go out and make a statement that winning is important. We all know that’s part of what we do. Every coach on our staff knows that winning is part of their job. It’s an important part of their job.”

“We just need to win some more games. And Bret knows that.”

“We truly are working harder to win more games. Winning is important. There’s no question.”

"Yes, we want to win. Yes, it’s a priority. Yes, it eats us up from the inside that we don’t win more.”

“Nobody wants to win more games than Bret Bielema, so we all want to win games. That’s what we’re here for and that’s what competition is all about.”

“We know we’re here to win football games.”

“We’re working extremely hard to win more games. Winning is important.”

“He’ll be the first to admit, and so will I, we need to win more games. And we’re working really hard to do that.”

“….we’re going out every game to win it.”


How anyone could spin those quotes to mean that we are not trying to win is beyond me.



acta non verba Is what Jeff needs to do. 
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #357 on: September 13, 2017, 04:34:43 pm »

Wrong again. Ingave a copy of the letter LONG sent to JD offering her the job. I also have copies of the emails between everyone during the hiring process. I can also show that during the early evaluation process, Petrino actually recommended Tiffany Fields, NOT Dorrell. You name the time and place, I'll buy your lunch and show you ALL of it.


Plus a couple other lies about the "handwritten letter" that Bielema wrote to Long.... in APRIL, not the fall of that year like is publicized now.
Post it or you don't have crap.  Anyone can say they have stuff...  but no one wants to "meet" the possible hogville rapist and chance getting probed. 

I have the original copy of the Declaration of Independence.  Nick Cage is coming over to show me how to read the hidden map.  Anyone want in?
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #358 on: September 13, 2017, 04:37:21 pm »

Post it or you don't have crap.  Anyone can say they have stuff...  but no one wants to "meet" the possible hogville rapist and chance getting probed. 

I have the original copy of the Declaration of Independence.  Nick Cage is coming over to show me how to read the hidden map.  Anyone want in?

You're not fooling anyone... you know you like getting probed.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #359 on: September 13, 2017, 04:41:22 pm »

You're not fooling anyone... you know you like getting probed.
NO... FIRE EVERYONE!  Distractions over here!  Long is being manipulated by the Pope!
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #360 on: September 13, 2017, 05:02:17 pm »


acta non verba Is what Jeff needs to do. 


Is Delta...dropping Latin bombs on us???
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #361 on: September 13, 2017, 05:04:39 pm »

This Saturday they are taking the entire team out on the field to take a test with desks scattered every 5 yards to avoid cheating.... But there is a good chance every kid will make an A?  How many fans would show up to watch that?


Well, it IS a bye week, just sayin'


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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #362 on: September 13, 2017, 05:26:33 pm »

I've come to the conclusion that he is not a good fit here. Every time he fixes something, 5 more things seem to go wrong. I'm convinced that he doesn't have the ability to put it all together in order to make a run at a conference championship.
He calls himself a CEO-type coach. CEOs are only as good as their top lieutenants. Look at BB's lieutenants. NONE has the resume. NONE, except maybe Lunney, has the connections in the most fertile recruiting areas. Some would be interns at  other programs.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #363 on: September 13, 2017, 05:33:30 pm »

Danica Patrick makes more in endorsements than anyone.  And that's what counts.
It is what counts to Danica Patrick. And she drives for an owner with more powerful horses who can and do win races. Danica is the token, the show horse. Sponsors likehaving a show horse because they are all about advertising. BB is not pretty or unique. And Arkansas doesn't have a stable of championship-calibre  sports teams.to prop up football.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #364 on: September 13, 2017, 06:10:01 pm »

Is Delta...dropping Latin bombs on us???

I figured he hit the wrong keys as usual.....
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #365 on: September 13, 2017, 06:19:05 pm »

What if find hilarious is how many of you that  do not like Long are the very same ones that screamed for the good ole boy network to end. IT did, they brought in outsiders, and you can't stand that either.
Did the GOB network end? They have a new front man, but it still feels  the same. Makes me think the GOB  is hiding behind the curtain, still pulling the puppet's strings.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #366 on: September 13, 2017, 06:21:49 pm »

Did the GOB network end? They have a new front man, but it still feels  the same. Makes me think the GOB  is hiding behind the curtain, still pulling the puppet's strings.

Yes, it's ended. It ended when Long was hired.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #367 on: September 13, 2017, 06:27:16 pm »


Another loser argument for the losers.

Danica Patrick was fired.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #368 on: September 13, 2017, 07:02:01 pm »

Hogville says, "Jeff Long say we aren't trying to win."
Uninformed poster - Fire Jeff Long! I can't believe he said that! You can win if you don't cheat. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. He said it had to be one or the other.

  Not sure you have to be "uninformed" to see what has transpired in 5 years? This team leader has steered the program in a downhill slide that doesn't show any signs of improving. Please remove the rose colored glasses.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #369 on: September 13, 2017, 07:12:24 pm »

It is what counts to Danica Patrick. And she drives for an owner with more powerful horses who can and do win races. Danica is the token, the show horse. Sponsors likehaving a show horse because they are all about advertising. BB is not pretty or unique. And Arkansas doesn't have a stable of championship-calibre  sports teams.to prop up football.

Maybe Hogs could endorse Danica Patrick.  She'd look good making left turns in a cardinal car with a sloberin' hog on it!
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #370 on: September 13, 2017, 07:27:24 pm »

Maybe Hogs could endorse Danica Patrick.  She'd look good making left turns in a cardinal car with a sloberin' hog on it!
That would be bad ass. 

but they would need to re open the Memphis-Arkansas Speedway
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #371 on: September 14, 2017, 02:42:03 am »

This is exactly what he said.  He tweeted it again last night.


I guess if you are willing to omit most of what he said, you would be correct.  Just ignore all of the bolded info and you are good

Arkansas AD Jeff Long to Fans: We're Not a 'Win-At-All-Cost' Football Program

Since 2011, Arkansas hasn't won more than eight games in a season and has more campaigns with four or fewer wins than ones with eight or more. And they haven't won an SEC title -- ever.

That's not exactly winning, though Razorbacks' athletics director Jeff Long said winning isn't the only goal.

Following their offensively challenged home loss to TCU in Week 1, Arkansas is now 1-1 on the season and 26-27 under fifth-year head coach Bret Bielema, who's struggled to get over the hump since arriving from Wisconsin in 2013. Bielema has finished above .500 in the SEC once and has finished fifth or worse in the West three of his four seasons.

“Yes, winning is important,” Long told fans at the Little Rock Touchdown Club this week. “Now contrast that if you’re a win-at-all-cost program which we’re not and I’ve said many, many times we’re not, then you don’t worry about the academics, you don’t worry about the conduct, you just win.

“And you know what? When I arrived here 10 years ago, that’s not what the leaders wanted at the time and certainly that’s certainly not what we’ve delivered."

Long did not name -- or even hint at -- any programs he believed were employing a winning-at-all-costs strategy, though it's assumed divisional foe Ole Miss was dancing in his mind. Hugh Freeze, who arrived in Oxford one year before Bielema, owned a 39-25 record in five seasons, along with one 10-win campaign and two more with eight or more wins. He also had two wins over Alabama, who has outscored Bielema and Arkansas by 85 points in four meetings. Then he was ousted amidst a messy NCAA investigation and allegations of personal indiscretions.

“Yes, we want to win," Long added. "Yes, it’s a priority. Yes, it eats us up from the inside that we don’t win more.”

Arkansas has a bye in Week 3 before hosting Texas A&M on Sept. 23.

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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #372 on: September 14, 2017, 06:52:15 am »

I guess if you are willing to omit most of what he said, you would be correct.  Just ignore all of the bolded info and you are good

Arkansas AD Jeff Long to Fans: We're Not a 'Win-At-All-Cost' Football Program

Since 2011, Arkansas hasn't won more than eight games in a season and has more campaigns with four or fewer wins than ones with eight or more. And they haven't won an SEC title -- ever.

That's not exactly winning, though Razorbacks' athletics director Jeff Long said winning isn't the only goal.

Following their offensively challenged home loss to TCU in Week 1, Arkansas is now 1-1 on the season and 26-27 under fifth-year head coach Bret Bielema, who's struggled to get over the hump since arriving from Wisconsin in 2013. Bielema has finished above .500 in the SEC once and has finished fifth or worse in the West three of his four seasons.

“Yes, winning is important,” Long told fans at the Little Rock Touchdown Club this week. “Now contrast that if you’re a win-at-all-cost program which we’re not and I’ve said many, many times we’re not, then you don’t worry about the academics, you don’t worry about the conduct, you just win.

“And you know what? When I arrived here 10 years ago, that’s not what the leaders wanted at the time and certainly that’s certainly not what we’ve delivered."

Long did not name -- or even hint at -- any programs he believed were employing a winning-at-all-costs strategy, though it's assumed divisional foe Ole Miss was dancing in his mind. Hugh Freeze, who arrived in Oxford one year before Bielema, owned a 39-25 record in five seasons, along with one 10-win campaign and two more with eight or more wins. He also had two wins over Alabama, who has outscored Bielema and Arkansas by 85 points in four meetings. Then he was ousted amidst a messy NCAA investigation and allegations of personal indiscretions.

“Yes, we want to win," Long added. "Yes, it’s a priority. Yes, it eats us up from the inside that we don’t win more.”

Arkansas has a bye in Week 3 before hosting Texas A&M on Sept. 23.


But that really gets in the way of the hate festivus some are trying to have.  They didn't give up when Jeff along bombed Pearl Harbor, and they ain't gonna give up now!
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #373 on: September 14, 2017, 08:41:03 am »

Post it or you don't have crap.  Anyone can say they have stuff...  but no one wants to "meet" the possible hogville rapist and chance getting probed. 

I have the original copy of the Declaration of Independence.  Nick Cage is coming over to show me how to read the hidden map.  Anyone want in?

That's pretty low Jake. You're afraid that he has something that will discredit Jeff Long and make him look bad so you resort to a personal attack in an attempt to discredit the poster. Not good. That "Hogville rapist" comment was way out of line.
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #374 on: September 14, 2017, 08:42:48 am »

That's pretty low Jake. You're afraid that he has something that will discredit Jeff Long and make him look bad so you resort to a personal attack in an attempt to discredit the poster. Not good.

That wasn't a personal attack.
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« Reply #375 on: September 14, 2017, 10:03:24 am »

That's pretty low Jake. You're afraid that he has something that will discredit Jeff Long and make him look bad so you resort to a personal attack in an attempt to discredit the poster. Not good. That "Hogville rapist" comment was way out of line.
I'd like to throw out some personal attacks in response to you, mostly involving intelligence.

There is no possible way that poster thought I was actually calling him a rapist.

I was calling him out to either put up or shut up.  Come here claiming you have all these sources to show people, but only if they will come to him.  It's either a load of bull or something he should keep to himself.

Youre better than this Guv. Nvmd
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Re: Jeff Long admits to not even trying...
« Reply #376 on: September 14, 2017, 10:15:38 am »

I think long threw that hurt line in there, to soften his win at all cost line
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« Reply #377 on: September 14, 2017, 10:18:55 am »

I'd like to throw out some personal attacks in response to you, mostly involving intelligence.

There is no possible way that poster thought I was actually calling him a rapist.

I was calling him out to either put up or shut up.  Come here claiming you have all these sources to show people, but only if they will come to him.  It's either a load of bull or something he should keep to himself.

Youre better than this Guv. Nvmd

Whether you were calling him a Hogville rapist or not, the use of that term was still degrading, out of line, and unnecessary.

If you don't believe him, accept his challenge, let him buy your lunch, then look at the evidence he has. If he has as much evidence as he says he has, it would take him hours and endless posts to put all of it on Hogville so he's not willing to waste the time and space it would take to do that. I can see his point and it makes sense.
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« Reply #378 on: September 14, 2017, 10:31:34 am »

Whether you were calling him a Hogville rapist or not, the use of that term was still degrading, out of line, and unnecessary.

If you don't believe him, accept his challenge, let him buy your lunch, then look at the evidence he has. If he has as much evidence as he says he has, it would take him hours and endless posts to put all of it on Hogville so he's not willing to waste the time and space it would take to do that. I can see his point and it makes sense.
If only you held BP to the same standards that you hold me.  Or if you allowed Jeff Long to be the "integrity" authority you seem to be for hogville. 

You called someone an "embarrassment" and told someone else to kiss Jeff Long's "backside."  That is highly offense to me and I think you owe those posters an apology.

No sane person is going to hit up an anonymous poster to have lunch to see some possible documents.  Again, if he has them then post them.  If he is as proud of them as he boasted, it would be worth the time to insert a couple of them. 

I know you jumped in to defend bc he says he has some anti-JLong paperwork.  Keep fighting that good fight Guv! 
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« Reply #379 on: September 14, 2017, 11:03:44 am »

If only you held BP to the same standards that you hold me.  Or if you allowed Jeff Long to be the "integrity" authority you seem to be for hogville. 

You called someone an "embarrassment" and told someone else to kiss Jeff Long's "backside."  That is highly offense to me and I think you owe those posters an apology.

No sane person is going to hit up an anonymous poster to have lunch to see some possible documents.  Again, if he has them then post them.  If he is as proud of them as he boasted, it would be worth the time to insert a couple of them. 

I know you jumped in to defend bc he says he has some anti-JLong paperwork.  Keep fighting that good fight Guv! 

I do hold BP up to the same standards. I've always said that what he did was wrong and he should have been punished for it. I just don't believe his transgressions merited termination.

Lets be clear here:

When Long hired CBB, I gave him high marks for it because I believed CBB was a very good hire.

After the 2014 season, I stated that I wouldn't trade CBB for CBP because I felt that progress was being made and he had things headed in the right direction.

After the collapses at the end of last year, I started to have some serious doubts about CBB.

However when CBB made the defensive staff changes and switched to the 3-4 defense, I began to believe that maybe he could actually things around.

After the debacle last Saturday I'm leaning toward changing my mind about what I said in 2014 about not trading CBB for CBP.

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« Reply #380 on: September 14, 2017, 11:07:45 am »

I do hold BP up to the same standards. I've always said that what he did was wrong and he should have been punished for it. I just don't believe his transgressions merited termination.

and you would be wrong. Not the first time, and a surprise to no one.
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« Reply #381 on: September 14, 2017, 11:09:41 am »

I do hold BP up to the same standards. I've always said that what he did was wrong and he should have been punished for it. I just don't believe his transgressions merited termination.

+1000

Correct, and if Long had a do over with the chance to marginalize it and keep Petrino, he would.  As would anyone.
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« Reply #382 on: September 14, 2017, 11:24:15 am »

I do hold BP up to the same standards. I've always said that what he did was wrong and he should have been punished for it. I just don't believe his transgressions merited termination.

Lets be clear here:

When Long hired CBB, I gave him high marks for it because I believed CBB was a very good hire.

After the 2014 season, I stated that I wouldn't trade CBB for CBP because I felt that progress was being made and he had things headed in the right direction.

After the collapses at the end of last year, I started to have some serious doubts about CBB.

However when CBB made the defensive staff changes and switched to the 3-4 defense, I began to believe that maybe he could actually things around.

After the debacle last Saturday I'm leaning toward changing my mind about what I said in 2014 about not trading CBB for CBP.


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« Reply #383 on: September 14, 2017, 11:24:37 am »

+1000

Correct, and if Long had a do over with the chance to marginalize it and keep Petrino, he would.  As would anyone.
Dont speak for everyone.
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« Reply #384 on: September 14, 2017, 11:26:29 am »

I do hold BP up to the same standards. I've always said that what he did was wrong and he should have been punished for it. I just don't believe his transgressions merited termination.

Lets be clear here:

When Long hired CBB, I gave him high marks for it because I believed CBB was a very good hire.

After the 2014 season, I stated that I wouldn't trade CBB for CBP because I felt that progress was being made and he had things headed in the right direction.

After the collapses at the end of last year, I started to have some serious doubts about CBB.

However when CBB made the defensive staff changes and switched to the 3-4 defense, I began to believe that maybe he could actually things around.

After the debacle last Saturday I'm leaning toward changing my mind about what I said in 2014 about not trading CBB for CBP.



CBP was canned for nothing to do with football.

If CBB is canned it will be totally for things related to football.

I prefer the 2nd to the 1st.  Losing football games is normal it is part of the game.  Banging side piece new employee is a bad look that don't rub off.
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« Reply #385 on: September 14, 2017, 11:45:16 am »

CBP was canned for nothing to do with football.

If CBB is canned it will be totally for things related to football.

I prefer the 2nd to the 1st.  Losing football games is normal it is part of the game.  Banging side piece new employee is a bad look that don't rub off.

I prefer the second one myself because the first one shouldn't have happened. Bobby's transgressions merited punishment but did not merit termination. Long was wrong, pure and simple.
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« Reply #386 on: September 14, 2017, 11:46:50 am »

I prefer the second one myself because the first shouldn't have happened. Bobby's transgressions merited punishment but did not merit termination. Long was wrong, pure and simple.
So the end game here is you still believe Long did not give CBP the chance to stay?  Theres an entire thread on that on the first page or two of MMQB.
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« Reply #387 on: September 14, 2017, 11:47:58 am »

I prefer the second one myself because the first shouldn't have happened. Bobby's transgressions merited punishment but did not merit termination. Long was wrong, pure and simple.

I can tell you if i had a mistress and i got her a job working for me and i did not disclose the conflict of interest i would expect to get fired.

You are acting like what he did was no big deal, like he parked his car in the chancellor's space.  No man Long was not wrong.  Could have not fired him? sure he "could" have and farts could smell like cinnamon. 
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« Reply #388 on: September 14, 2017, 11:49:27 am »

So the end game here is you still believe Long did not give CBP the chance to stay?  Theres an entire thread on that on the first page or two of MMQB.

Termination should never have been an option.
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« Reply #389 on: September 14, 2017, 11:52:25 am »

Termination should never have been an option.


by that rational, honesty, morals, the golden rule, fidelity all that shouldn't be an option either right?

So i should just hack you right now and publish all your personal information because why should anyone be held to any sort of standard of public decency right? i mean if this doesn't ring your bell nothing will.
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« Reply #390 on: September 14, 2017, 11:59:13 am »

I can tell you if i had a mistress and i got her a job working for me and i did not disclose the conflict of interest i would expect to get fired.

You are acting like what he did was no big deal, like he parked his car in the chancellor's space.  No man Long was not wrong.  Could have not fired him? sure he "could" have and farts could smell like cinnamon. 

Like I said, What Bobby did was wrong and he should have been punished but his actions did not merit termination. Long was wrong, pure and simple. I made the mistake of wearing blinders when it came to Houston Nutt and refused to believe the truth about him until almost the very end. I won't make that mistake with Jeff Long.
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« Reply #391 on: September 14, 2017, 12:05:22 pm »

Like I said, What Bobby did was wrong and he should have been punished but his actions did not merit termination. Long was wrong, pure and simple. I made the mistake of wearing blinders when it came to Houston Nutt and refused to believe the truth about him until almost the very end. I won't make that mistake with Jeff Long.

You repeating it a hundred times a day still doesn't make you any less wrong. 
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« Reply #392 on: September 14, 2017, 12:09:36 pm »

However when CBB made the defensive staff changes and switched to the 3-4 defense, I began to believe that maybe he could actually things around.

And after 1 game against an experienced and talented team, you have decided he can't turn it around?
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« Reply #393 on: September 14, 2017, 12:21:23 pm »

I thought D looked MUCH improved, even against TCU.  Especially the secondary.

Whoever the new coach is, I hope they run a 3-4, as well.  It's just much more suited to our personnel.
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« Reply #394 on: September 14, 2017, 12:27:53 pm »

And after 1 game against an experienced and talented team, you have decided he can't turn it around?

It was a game the Hogs should have won. They Left 14 points on the field and the defense only gave up 2 TDs late in the game because they were exhausted from being left on the field all day due to an inept offense and on the last TD, a kick return fumble put them in a bad spot. the final score should have been 21-14 Hogs.
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« Reply #395 on: September 14, 2017, 12:28:03 pm »

I thought D looked MUCH improved, even against TCU.  Especially the secondary.

Whoever the new coach is, I hope they run a 3-4, as well.  It's just much more suited to our personnel.

Agreed. Easier to get athletes for the secondary than it is to find elite big uglies.
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« Reply #396 on: September 14, 2017, 12:28:55 pm »

It was a game the Hogs should have won. They Left 14 points on the field and the defense only gave up 2 TDs late in the game because they were exhausted from being left on the field all day due to an inept offense and on the last TD, a kick return fumble put them in a bad spot. the final score should have been 21-14 Hogs.

You kind of forgot about the times TCU should have scored also. Should have been 35-21 TCU if we are playing that game.
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« Reply #397 on: September 14, 2017, 12:30:28 pm »

It was a game the Hogs should have won. They Left 14 points on the field and the defense only gave up 2 TDs late in the game because they were exhausted from being left on the field all day due to an inept offense and on the last TD, a kick return fumble put them in a bad spot. the final score should have been 21-14 Hogs.

Yea cause TCU didn't turn it over on the Hogs 4 because the center hit his own leg with the snap or anything like that. All the points left on the field were by the Hogs.
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« Reply #398 on: September 14, 2017, 12:31:03 pm »

I thought D looked MUCH improved, even against TCU.  Especially the secondary.

Whoever the new coach is, I hope they run a 3-4, as well.  It's just much more suited to our personnel.

Don't try to interject some actual football talk in a Guv'd thread, sheesh.....
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« Reply #399 on: September 14, 2017, 12:31:44 pm »

I agree WildHog. It was by no means perfect, but it was certainly an improvement. Leading up to the game I kept reading about their veteran-laden offense that was incredibly fast and maybe the best WR corp in the nation. I would've never guessed, based on that information, that we would have held them to 14 halfway through the 4th quarter. Especially not after losing Pulley and replacing him with a true freshman. There were certainly flaws, but maybe it will continue to improve.   
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