Jeff Long admits to not even trying...

[jkstock04]

Jeff Long:

"Yes it eats us up inside when we don't win more".

Translation from hogville:

"Jeff Long admits to not even trying".

Impossible to argue with such rock hard logic.

That's merely a spin click bait job from the OP. Something like that is the norm in the politics board and I've seen you do the same exact thing starting a thread.

If you read everything that was said the point remains...winning is secondary in our current regime/culture. He points this out the day after TCU? Cmon...I would wager even you don't think that's the right thing to do.

Yes it's a "priority" but how far down the list? That's what someone needs to ask him. I've wondered out loud for 2 or 3 years now if winning would make the top 5 of things on his 'to do' list. Wouldn't surprise me if it didn't.

He made some comments the other day prior to the game that we needed to win a few more games...but when I went back and read everything he said it was mainly more of the same as this when considering the context.

[redneckfriend]

Gawd you are lost.....try to catch up...you are only 4 years behind. BP has nothing to do with Bert's failure. What he did do however, was show that you can win here, and that makes all your Bert loving excuse making invalid....and you CAN'T STAND THAT. Talk about an agenda, excepting a failed FB program is yours, and some of us are not going to hop on that group think.

Are you illiterate? I ask because what you posted has no relationship to what I posted. I'll make it simple: "Brett" (or "Bert" to you apparently) was a good hire by Long at a time when "Bobby" had left the program in shambles. The fact that he hasn't been successful was not foreseeable at the time he was hired (although some on here profess that foresight). If that is stipulated then it is inane to blame Long for Bielema's failure. Long wants to win, he'll do what he thinks will work, hiring Bielema seemed like a reasonable idea at the time. That's it. Sorry no hosannas for Brett ("Bert") Bielema, no "agenda, no "group think". Before you post try to understand what you are responding to, trust me it helps.

[Wildhog]

Are you illiterate? I ask because what you posted has no relationship to what I posted. I'll make it simple: "Brett" (or "Bert" to you apparently) was a good hire by Long at a time when "Bobby" had left the program in shambles. The fact that he hasn't been successful was not foreseeable at the time he was hired (although some on here profess that foresight). If that is stipulated then it is inane to blame Long for Bielema's failure. Long wants to win, he'll do what he thinks will work, hiring Bielema seemed like a reasonable idea at the time. That's it. Sorry no hosannas for Brett ("Bert") Bielema, no "agenda, no "group think". Before you post try to understand what you are responding to, trust me it helps.

Bret*

[ricepig]

That's merely a spin click bait job from the OP. Something like that is the norm in the politics board and I've seen you do the same exact thing starting a thread.

If you read everything that was said the point remains...winning is secondary in our current regime/culture. He points this out the day after TCU? Cmon...I would wager even you don't think that's the right thing to do.

Yes it's a "priority" but how far down the list? That's what someone needs to ask him. I've wondered out loud for 2 or 3 years now if winning would make the top 5 of things on his 'to do' list. Wouldn't surprise me if it didn't.

He made some comments the other day prior to the game that we needed to win a few more games...but when I went back and read everything he said it was mainly more of the same as this when considering the context.

He said the same thing before the TCU game, he said that at the NWATD club the week before.

[GuvHog]

Are you illiterate? I ask because what you posted has no relationship to what I posted. I'll make it simple: "Brett" (or "Bert" to you apparently) was a good hire by Long at a time when "Bobby" had left the program in shambles. The fact that he hasn't been successful was not foreseeable at the time he was hired (although some on here profess that foresight). If that is stipulated then it is inane to blame Long for Bielema's failure. Long wants to win, he'll do what he thinks will work, hiring Bielema seemed like a reasonable idea at the time. That's it. Sorry no hosannas for Brett ("Bert") Bielema, no "agenda, no "group think". Before you post try to understand what you are responding to, trust me it helps.

Once again, Bobby did not leave the program in shambles. The team had just finished the season ranked #5 in the nation when he was terminated. It was his termination and subsequent hiring of "Smiley" as interim HC that left the program in shambles and Long did both.

[Redhogs]

Are you illiterate? I ask because what you posted has no relationship to what I posted. I'll make it simple: "Brett" (or "Bert" to you apparently) was a good hire by Long at a time when "Bobby" had left the program in shambles. The fact that he hasn't been successful was not foreseeable at the time he was hired (although some on here profess that foresight). If that is stipulated then it is inane to blame Long for Bielema's failure. Long wants to win, he'll do what he thinks will work, hiring Bielema seemed like a reasonable idea at the time. That's it. Sorry no hosannas for Brett ("Bert") Bielema, no "agenda, no "group think". Before you post try to understand what you are responding to, trust me it helps.

"Am I illiterate" asked the moron who calls himself "redneckfriend"....pure gold.

[jkstock04]

He said the same thing before the TCU game, he said that at the NWATD club the week before.

Ya, pretty much. When I first read part of that it sounded like he was putting a little heat and message out there that we need to win more football games. But no, not really.

[311Hog]

Once again, Bobby did not leave the program in shambles. The team had just finished the season ranked #5 in the nation when he was terminated. It was his termination and subsequent hiring of "Smiley" as interim HC that left the program in shambles and Long did both.

Sorry but Long did not lie to himself, Long did not hire his mistress to a state position (and i dont mean 69).  Petrino did that, Long just did his job as best he could at the time.  I do not blame him for Petrino Petrino'ing nor do i blame him in hindsight for keeping JLS at the time seemed like a decent enough idea considering what you just said team had SRs and was coming off a great season, who knew they would mail it in once the "Dictator" coach left, who knew JLS would worry more about his bankruptcy?

In the blame game Long comes in last behind, Petrino, JLS himself, the players etc. in that situation.  Current one is a different story

[hogcard1964]

Ya, pretty much. When I first read part of that it sounded like he was putting a little heat and message out there that we need to win more football games. But no, not really.

Yea, I read through that and was looking for something/anything that may have been said to put him on notice and light a fire under his arse, but no...nothing.

[longpig]

He doesn't care about winning. He cares about money. Period.

Same thing in his line of work because if the wins don't increase the money will decrease.  He's very proud of the fact that  UofA athletics takes in more than it spends.  We all are (or should be). 

[RazorPiggie]

I have an honest question. Who came up with the Buyout? Was it solely Long or does that have to go through the Foundation or something else?

[ricepig]

I have an honest question. Who came up with the Buyout? Was it solely Long or does that have to go through the Foundation or something else?

Agents, Long, in house legal counsel, and RF.

[ricepig]

Agents, Long, in house legal counsel, and RF.

The RF doesn't really have any input, though. It had to be ok'd by the Chancellor and system President.

[hogsanity]

Once again, Bobby did not leave the program in shambles. The team had just finished the season ranked #5 in the nation when he was terminated. It was his termination and subsequent hiring of "Smiley" as interim HC that left the program in shambles and Long did both.

and the terrible recruiting after the 2010 and 2011 seasons, both classes signed by BP. And the smoking hole in the ground that the 2010 class turned out to be.

[cosmodrum]

Can't we just win with the appropriate costs?

[RazorPiggie]

Once again, Bobby did not leave the program in shambles. The team had just finished the season ranked #5 in the nation when he was terminated. It was his termination and subsequent hiring of "Smiley" as interim HC that left the program in shambles and Long did both.

Yes he did. We had terrible classes coming in and the previous classes had so many losses. There was like 25+ players that had left from those 2010 & 2011 classes. It was an insane amount.

[RazorPiggie]

The RF doesn't really have any input, though. It had to be ok'd by the Chancellor and system President.

So multiple people not just Long.

[hogsanity]

So multiple people not just Long.

shhhhhhh! You'll ruin a good rant about how Long did all of this on his own.

[Pecos Hog]

Maybe Jeff thinks he can turn Arkansas into VANDERBILT?   

[The real Hogules]

What "being more like Vanderbilt, than Alabama" looks like on a Saturday -

[PorkRinds]

That's merely a spin click bait job from the OP. Something like that is the norm in the politics board and I've seen you do the same exact thing starting a thread.

If you read everything that was said the point remains...winning is secondary in our current regime/culture. He points this out the day after TCU? Cmon...I would wager even you don't think that's the right thing to do.

Yes it's a "priority" but how far down the list? That's what someone needs to ask him. I've wondered out loud for 2 or 3 years now if winning would make the top 5 of things on his 'to do' list. Wouldn't surprise me if it didn't.

He made some comments the other day prior to the game that we needed to win a few more games...but when I went back and read everything he said it was mainly more of the same as this when considering the context.

Sorry, but I think this is just more over reaction emotional bull darn. Everyone up there wants to win.

[HoggieStyle]

So because people are upset about a disasterpiece of a loss to TCU, that translates into "Win at all costs"?

Who suggested that nobody go to class? Who suggested Scantrons for Austin Allen? Bags of twenties for the WRs?

That's right. Nobody.

All anybody has said is that the coach appears to suck.

So....having a coach that doesn't suck (i.e. - can actually coach while it's going down on the field, in-game, and have his team prepared before the game) somehow equals "win at all costs".


There's your answer, folks. Long is a complete dolt. End.

[PorkRinds]

So because people are upset about a disasterpiece of a loss to TCU, that translates into "Win at all costs"?

Who suggested that nobody go to class? Who suggested Scantrons for Austin Allen? Bags of twenties for the WRs?

That's right. Nobody.

All anybody has said is that the coach appears to suck.

So....having a coach that doesn't suck (i.e. - can actually coach while it's going down on the field, in-game, and have his team prepared before the game) somehow equals "win at all costs".


There's your answer, folks. Long is a complete dolt. End.

Nah, you're just inept at understand context. Like the rest of these emo darksiders.

[DLUXHOG]

[PorkSoda]

Meh. An 8-win cap will not sustain the butts in the seats needed to maintain revenue.

8 wins is great.  my worry is that we wont get there at this rate.

[GuvHog]

Sorry but Long did not lie to himself, Long did not hire his mistress to a state position (and i dont mean 69).  Petrino did that, Long just did his job as best he could at the time.  I do not blame him for Petrino Petrino'ing nor do i blame him in hindsight for keeping JLS at the time seemed like a decent enough idea considering what you just said team had SRs and was coming off a great season, who knew they would mail it in once the "Dictator" coach left, who knew JLS would worry more about his bankruptcy?

In the blame game Long comes in last behind, Petrino, JLS himself, the players etc. in that situation.  Current one is a different story

I've proven you wrong about the "hiring his mistress" crap and you still don't get it. Go ahead and keep kissing Long's backside.

[Uberanubis]

Meh. An 8-win cap will not sustain the butts in the seats needed to maintain revenue.

you say this but seats continue to be filled and tickets keep getting sold.

[Cure]

It's weird for sure. I understand the frustration, but good grief the "fire everyone" crowd gets really old. If fan bases all over the country got thier wish I don't think there would be 5 ADs safe in the country.

Good thing is that they don't make the decisions.

[jcbville]

I wish someone at the LR Touchdown club would have asked the question "what is more important to you, winning an SEC championship in football or having high grades/low behavior problems?".

Not even Nick Saban if asked that question is publicly going to say winning is more important. So it would be a pointless question.

Any idiot AD or coach that stood at the podium and said "Winning the SEC is more important than grades or good behavior" would be publicly crucified. There would be sound bytes all over the ESPNs and it would be used to turn off every recruits mother and uncle that team tried to recruit. Insanity...

[Lanny]

I have an honest question. Who came up with the Buyout? Was it solely Long or does that have to go through the Foundation or something else?

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[FIOG]

What about this?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2677628-scout-sec-football-graduation-rates-from-1st-to-worst

[jkstock04]

Sorry, but I think this is just more over reaction emotional bull darn. Everyone up there wants to win.

I'm really not overreacting. This is a legit concern I've seen for coming 2-3 years now...and it's starting to come to a head where others are taking notice.

I'm afraid winning to Jeff Long is just the cherry on top. Where and when it'll start getting his attention is if he can't spin and deflect things enough in the offseason per usual to get people to forget the previous year and continue to pony up.

[jkstock04]

Not even Nick Saban if asked that question is publicly going to say winning is more important. So it would be a pointless question.

Any idiot AD or coach that stood at the podium and said "Winning the SEC is more important than grades or good behavior" would be publicly crucified. There would be sound bytes all over the ESPNs and it would be used to turn off every recruits mother and uncle that team tried to recruit. Insanity...

Here's what the university of Houston says about winning:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2016/12/11/13909674/rena-khator-fired-coaches-8-and-4-major-applewhite

[HoggyCat]

Statements like these are actually a sure sign that he is feeling some heat and might be in a bit of trouble.  He is creating a false dichotomy and narrative.  You're either satisfied with the job Jeff Long is doing, or you're a win at all costs mercenary.  There is no in between.  As such he is insulating himself from being pushed out because no one in the administration wants to be seen being in favor of sleeze.

Jeff Long is setting himself up as a martyr for integrity in college athletics.

Long will not be a martyr for anything. All he cares about is himself. He'll change his tune as soon as he needs to in order to please the fans and to keep or improve his job.

[PorkSoda]

Here's what the university of Houston says about winning:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2016/12/11/13909674/rena-khator-fired-coaches-8-and-4-major-applewhite

and what conference does houston play in?

[gchamblee]

True, but sometimes it's better to take a look at how you're viewed from the outside.

...it's not good.

secrant is a collection of posters that have been banned from everywhere else

[jcbville]

Here's what the university of Houston says about winning:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2016/12/11/13909674/rena-khator-fired-coaches-8-and-4-major-applewhite

Ok? Has nothing to do with the question that was referenced.

[hogcard1964]

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Good to know we have several morons running the rodeo.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Once again, Bobby did not leave the program in shambles. The team had just finished the season ranked #5 in the nation when he was terminated. It was his termination and subsequent hiring of "Smiley" as interim HC that left the program in shambles and Long did both.

ding ding ding

[Pig in the Pokey]

secrant is a collection of posters that have been banned from everywhere else

not true at all . SEC rant is the gold standard of fan boards.

[DLUXHOG]

Smiley hire is his biggest, and maybe, only mistake.  Smiley was obviously too engrossed with his personal financial issues to even try to coach a team that possessed a good amount of talent.    He totally took the program to the gutter and exhausted the wind from our sails...

[JaketheSnake]

Meh. An 8-win cap will not sustain the butts in the seats needed to maintain revenue.

How much do you think revenue is going to drop?

If we lose 1/3 of tickets sold for the season, that's 140k of the cheap seats for the season.  That translates to under $7m.  That's a lot of money, but not in the grand scheme.  SEC network money is over $40M and likely to grow.

That's pretty conservative, as I doubt we would lose 1/3 of seats for the entire season.  We'd lose 1/3 or more for weakling games,  but still sell out most SEC games. 

Integrity has its price.  Are we seeing benefits from Longs involvement in Committees?  Has to be good press for the UofA.  Enrollments are climbing. 

[DLUXHOG]

Meh. An 8-win cap will not sustain the butts in the seats needed to maintain revenue.

Vanderbilt says "hello"

[Großer Kriegschwein]

I was talking about Arkansas, not Vanderbilt, but now that you mention it, having an 8-win ceiling means there will be 4-5-6 win seasons in between. That will not sustain in Arkansas.

[hawgmasta]

I want a Jeff long hater completely until now.

That's unbelievable, say goodbye to a whole generation of young hog fans boys.

[JaketheSnake]

I want a Jeff long hater completely until now.

That's unbelievable, say goodbye to a whole generation of young hog fans boys.

Really?  Which dads that are hog fans are going to teach their kids be fans of another program or not a fan at all?  NONE.  The guys that are mad at CBB and JL are not going to drop the program.  They may not go to games, but will still watch. 

[hawgmasta]

Really?  Which dads that are hog fans are going to teach their kids be fans of another program or not a fan at all?  NONE.  The guys that are mad at CBB and JL are not going to drop the program.  They may not go to games, but will still watch.

Right. . . But that's not how it works. I live outside of Arkansas now and will guide my son towards the hogs as much as I can but unless you haven't been paying attention to the younger generation lately they prefer to like teams that win. Being from somewhere has little to do with loyalty to a team nowadays.

Just like business it's about a brand and success. It's the image you impose on someone's mind. Arkansas isn't even on people's mind at the moment.

[JaketheSnake]

Right. . . But that's not how it works. I live outside of Arkansas now and will guide my son towards the hogs as much as I can but unless you haven't been paying attention to the younger generation lately they prefer to like teams that win. Being from somewhere has little to do with loyalty to a team nowadays.

Just like business it's about a brand and success. It's the image you impose on someone's mind. Arkansas isn't even on people's mind at the moment.

So you are saying we are not going to win over boys that their parents dont have a team they watch every Saturday.  I grew up when the Hogs were not winning much and became a fan.  A lot of us grew up when we were not winning championships and are still fans.  Most fans have never seen a true conference championship and/or national championship, but are still fans.

[twistitup]

Right. . . But that's not how it works. I live outside of Arkansas now and will guide my son towards the hogs as much as I can but unless you haven't been paying attention to the younger generation lately they prefer to like teams that win. Being from somewhere has little to do with loyalty to a team nowadays.

Just like business it's about a brand and success. It's the image you impose on someone's mind. Arkansas isn't even on people's mind at the moment.

I live in Arkansas and it still works this way. Kids want to play for a winner - it's simple.

[ricepig]

Right. . . But that's not how it works. I live outside of Arkansas now and will guide my son towards the hogs as much as I can but unless you haven't been paying attention to the younger generation lately they prefer to like teams that win. Being from somewhere has little to do with loyalty to a team nowadays.

Just like business it's about a brand and success. It's the image you impose on someone's mind. Arkansas isn't even on people's mind at the moment.

Yeah, not much being posted on here lately, kind of dead.