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Listening to Coach Calapari on Sports56 (internet) he blames the Officials

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The_Bionic_Pig

For missing the foul call at the end of regulation (Rose fouling Collins before he shot the 3) 
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Forrest city joe-1

That's what the crybaby says evertime he loses. I love this night so much. the refs did not beat them. kansas did.let the loser cry.

 

Wild Bill Hog

Bet he didn't criticize the no call on an obvious technical on Memphis State at the end of regulation.

The_Bionic_Pig

Maybe he should have had his asst. Coach Barber go shove Collins...  ;)
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riccoar

I wonder if the same reporter will ask him the question about his team struggling from the free throw line?  I bet he doesn't respond "It's something I don't spend a lot of time with."  Because that one stat got you beat tonight.  You had Kansas on the ropes in regulation and lost because you couldn't sink a free throw.

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chiefsfan

Quote from: Woo_Pig_Stewie on April 07, 2008, 11:15:27 pm
For missing the foul call at the end of regulation (Rose fouling Collins before he shot the 3) 

He also just blamed God

in the presser afterwards he said it was Gods Will that Memphis lost...    Thats a new one
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Newcoachplease

Quote from: chiefsfan on April 07, 2008, 11:34:25 pm
He also just blamed God

in the presser afterwards he said it was Gods Will that Memphis lost...    Thats a new one

I know, that made me laugh when he said that. Im a religious man but i dont think god cares who wins the NCAA tourny.

Memphis just choked! And i love it. Calapari is the most over rated coach in college basketball. .

ErieHog

Quote from: HogZ28 on April 07, 2008, 11:44:08 pm


no really God had money on Kansas.

To steal a line from Carlin: 

All knowing, all powerful....but bad with money?
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Houston h

My gosh the hatred for Memphis on this board blows my mind.  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Obviously none of you know Cal or any of these players, they are all good guys.  Keep putting them down and cheering for that winner of a program in Fayetteville.

Albert Einswine

Quote from: Houston h on April 07, 2008, 11:46:27 pm
My gosh the hatred for Memphis on this board blows my mind.  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Obviously none of you know Cal or any of these players, they are all good guys.  Keep putting them down and cheering for that winner of a program in Fayetteville.




Hey look everybody!  It's that goofy guy that was guaranteeing a Memphis blowout victory!


Quote from: Houston h on April 07, 2008, 06:42:14 pm
Just as they have every other team in this tournament because of the size of their guards.  They will put a 6'3" Derek Rose on a 5'11" Collins and a 6'7" Anderson on a 6'1" Chalmers, that eliminates those two players all together because of the Memphis players speed and ability to shut down the smaller player.  Then you put a 6'7" CDR on a 6'6" Rush and CDR will dominate that match up from an offensive standpoint.

On the offensive end, Rose will eat Collins up and drive the lane at will.  This ballgame won't be close.

83-68 Memphis!!!!!!!!!!!

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ErieHog

Quote from: Albert Einswine on April 07, 2008, 11:51:01 pm


Hey look everybody!  It's that goofy guy that was guaranteeing a Memphis victory!

Aww, c'mon Albert;  after all that dominating guard play by Memphis, how can we hold him to a little thing like being wrong about the game result....
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Wild Bill Hog

Quote from: Albert Einswine on April 07, 2008, 11:51:01 pm
Hey look everybody!  It's that goofy guy that was guaranteeing a Memphis blowout victory!

He had to come to a Hog Board to post - the Tigger Board sank to the bottom of the litter box.

 

The_Bionic_Pig

Quote from: Houston h on April 07, 2008, 11:46:27 pm
My gosh the hatred for Memphis on this board blows my mind.  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Obviously none of you know Cal or any of these players, they are all good guys.  Keep putting them down and cheering for that winner of a program in Fayetteville.


This is way beyond Calapari....I didn't like Dana Kirk either.  If you grew up in Eastern Arkansas you either love them or hate them their is no gray area.   Kinda like the Dallas Cowboys or Notre Dame most fans have a strong emotion either way.
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hei5manhog

Quote from: Albert Einswine on April 07, 2008, 11:51:01 pm


Hey look everybody!  It's that goofy guy that was guaranteeing a Memphis blowout victory!



Eat your crow Houston
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Smokehouse

Quote from: Wild Bill Hog on April 07, 2008, 11:25:58 pm
Bet he didn't criticize the no call on an obvious technical on Memphis State at the end of regulation.

really, couldn't understand why packer was saying it was a "good no call" because he was "frustrated with himself, not the call" - why would he be frustrated with himself when he wasn't doing anything and got a hold of the ball after the play had ended?
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Quote from: Houston h on April 07, 2008, 11:46:27 pm
My gosh the hatred for Memphis on this board blows my mind.  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Obviously none of you know Cal or any of these players, they are all good guys.  Keep putting them down and cheering for that winner of a program in Fayetteville.


You must be confused.  This is a Razorback message board.  It's perfectly normal to hate any team we want, as long as it's not the Hogs.
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spit

Quote from: Forrest city joe-1 on April 07, 2008, 11:24:54 pm
the refs did not beat them. kansas did.let the loser cry.

they beat themselves imo, the way they played in the last 2 minutes of reg. a high school team could've beat them. 

Baconator

I don't feel one bit sorry for Memphis. They had multiple chances to put the game away, but didn't by:

- Missing free throws
- Going for a layup and drawing the foul instead of holding onto the ball
- Dorsey fouling out with a dumb move
- Turning the ball over with a bad alley-oop pass
- Not fouling on Kansas' last possession of regulation
- Not calling a timeout after Kansas tied to set up a play

Chalmers' 3 pt shot didn't end the game it merely added 5 minutes, and within those extra minutes the Tigers were straight up beaten by Kansas. Congratulations, Jayhawks. Good job not giving up when you were down 9 with 2 minutes left. I counted you out, but you took advantage of these mistakes and got the win.

spit

yeah congrats Jayhawks, you stuck in there toughed it out and got lucky in the NCAAT and came out with the win in a couple games in which you should have lost.

Atreyu

Memphis beat Memphis.


Kudos to Chalmers for the shot, and the Jayhawks for not backing down.


Shame on the Tigers for not showing up in overtime.
1 by 1, we loaded our guns
up on the mountain all day
and all through the night
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spit

Quote from: Atreyu on April 08, 2008, 04:40:35 am
Memphis beat Memphis.


Kudos to Chalmers for the shot, and the Jayhawks for not backing down.


Shame on the Tigers for not showing up in overtime.

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Tripod1

I grew up in Eastern Arkansas and the guy above is correct.  You either hate them or love them.  I hate them.  Always have respected KU and certainly like Self.  I am amused at people on here now "almost" taking up for the refs!!  If you read my history, I have always been pro ref because I am a retired one.  I wonder if the colors were changed and there was a Hog on that uniform instead of Memphis, would the same be said?  Anyway, THANK YOU LORD THAT MEMPHIS STILL HAS NO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!

returntoglory

Quote from: Smokehouse on April 08, 2008, 12:12:06 am
really, couldn't understand why packer was saying it was a "good no call" because he was "frustrated with himself, not the call" - why would he be frustrated with himself when he wasn't doing anything and got a hold of the ball after the play had ended?
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False, he had just missed some key free throws. Then Dozier got the offensive rebound threw it to Rose who was fouled. Somehow CDR wound up with the ball and spiked it.

 

Table Rocker

Quote from: Houston h on April 07, 2008, 11:46:27 pm
My gosh the hatred for Memphis on this board blows my mind.  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Obviously none of you know Cal or any of these players, they are all good guys.  Keep putting them down and cheering for that winner of a program in Fayetteville.


if you don't like our program then sign up for a memphis board and leave......you wouldn't be missed

Bryan (CHF)

Quote from: Ar_Hog on April 07, 2008, 11:48:06 pm
Memphis didn't hit there free throws down the stretch....
It cost them the ballgame...IMO
Yeap, they missed 4 of 5 when the game was on the line. If they make just 1 of those, they are going home the champs. Instead, they are going home the chumps.
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Quote from: Houston h on April 07, 2008, 11:46:27 pm
My gosh the hatred for Memphis on this board blows my mind.  You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.  Obviously none of you know Cal or any of these players, they are all good guys.  Keep putting them down and cheering for that winner of a program in Fayetteville.


Just wondering how you know them enough to say they are all "good guys".  Doubtful you know them any better than anyone on this board.  Just wondering how many banners it is that have the words FINAL 4 CHAMPION on them hang from the rafters in Memphis?

fearless_leader

Memphis had to do more things wrong than JUST miss free-throws to lose that game.

Calipari can argue all he wants, but there is no way in hell watching that last 10 seconds that Derek Rose knew he was supposed to foul.  He had his arms up as Collins went sprawling in an "I didn't foul him" mode.

If Rose fouls Collins at midcourt as he should have, Memphis probably wins anyways. 

How hard is it for coaches to either understand or convince kids to foul with a 3 point lead and < 10 seconds left? 


I certainly wouldn't call Calipari overrated.  He's taken two "outsiders" to the final four and won a ton of games.  If I were looking for overrated, how about Billy Gillespie?  Never even been to an elite 8. 

returntoglory

They also went for about four minutes without a field goal. That is never good.

Tripod1

I certainly will not take up for Calipari or Memphis as I do not care for them BUT, maybe the players were suppose to foul, maybe he had the right game plan.  I certainly remember during this season Coach Pel coaching our Hogs to do certain things yet the kids did not.  And speaking to Memphis players being good kids. . .the good kids I know stays out of trouble with the law and many of those players have had off the court problems. 

Hogginitall

Quote from: Tripod1 on April 08, 2008, 08:16:04 am
I certainly will not take up for Calipari or Memphis as I do not care for them BUT, maybe the players were suppose to foul, maybe he had the right game plan.  I certainly remember during this season Coach Pel coaching our Hogs to do certain things yet the kids did not.  And speaking to Memphis players being good kids. . .the good kids I know stays out of trouble with the law and many of those players have had off the court problems. 

Which is why he should've taken one of his 2 remaining timeouts to tell them to foul.  He can't put the blame elsewhere.  He and his team gave the National Championship away!

BigDeal

Way to twist a story. Cal said he blamed himself and the kids played their heart out. Yeah, he mentioned the ref didn't call a foul on Rose but didn't  say that is why they lost.

kindtotheswine

Quote from: returntoglory on April 08, 2008, 07:38:35 am
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False, he had just missed some key free throws. Then Dozier got the offensive rebound threw it to Rose who was fouled. Somehow CDR wound up with the ball and spiked it.

...which is a Technical every time...

hogsanity

Quote from: Woo_Pig_Stewie on April 07, 2008, 11:15:27 pm
For missing the foul call at the end of regulation (Rose fouling Collins before he shot the 3) 

This may be the first time in history that a losing coach is whining about a fould NOT being called on his own team.  Whats funny is, Memphis is supposed to be so physical, yet when he tried to foul, he barely bumped a guy. 
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Even a blind man can see that slamming a ball on the court is a tech Billy!

"Good no call" my arse
Quote from: forrest city joe on Today at 10:06:10 am
ok i get you. but do you have to post it over and over and over and over? and for the 100th time. Mike is going to be coach here no matter if you like it or not.

Tripod1


booogaga

i recall one play where a mempiss player dunked and held the ball so the defense could line up ( no call ) and at the end of the game where a mempiss player slammed the ball down in anger ( no call ) oh and where a mempiss player missed 4 straight free throws at the END of the game ( not the refs fault ) , its called loosing . every team does it.
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HogBaptist

Quote from: Tripod1 on April 08, 2008, 09:24:55 am
Wrong, not on that stage, not at that time. 

wrong, it should have been a tech.  as a player you have to keep your cool and no just slam the ball down.  that was on the player, not the ref. 

should have been a tech...

Mick Hogger

Quote from: Tripod1 on April 08, 2008, 09:24:55 am
Wrong, not on that stage, not at that time. 

To be the champion, you have to act like one. Plus Dorsey's holding the ball after making it was a tech too, at least a warning.
Quote from: forrest city joe on Today at 10:06:10 am
ok i get you. but do you have to post it over and over and over and over? and for the 100th time. Mike is going to be coach here no matter if you like it or not.

Smokehouse

Quote from: Tripod1 on April 08, 2008, 09:24:55 am
Wrong, not on that stage, not at that time. 

so, where's the list of rules that get changed depending on which "stage" it's on? Do you have some rules that don't count at the end of the final four games, and then even more rules that don't count at the end of the NC game? A rule is a rule, shouldn't matter when it's being applied.
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Tripod1

Quote from: Smokehouse on April 08, 2008, 10:02:47 am
so, where's the list of rules that get changed depending on which "stage" it's on? Do you have some rules that don't count at the end of the final four games, and then even more rules that don't count at the end of the NC game? A rule is a rule, shouldn't matter when it's being applied.
Then when a defensive man even puts a hand on the offensive man, according to rule it is a foul.  You want to play that way?  When the offensive man is dribbling the ball and he cups the ball (double dribbling) do you want that called? That is the rule.  When a shooter spots up behind the 3 point line, 9 out of 10 times he walks.  Do you want that rule called?  That is the rule. You have absolutely no clue how a game is called.  No clue.

Smokehouse

Quote from: Tripod1 on April 08, 2008, 10:08:32 am
Then when a defensive man even puts a hand on the offensive man, according to rule it is a foul.  You want to play that way?  When the offensive man is dribbling the ball and he cups the ball (double dribbling) do you want that called? That is the rule.  When a shooter spots up behind the 3 point line, 9 out of 10 times he walks.  Do you want that rule called?  That is the rule. You have absolutely no clue how a game is called.  No clue.

no, I do have a clue how a game is called, that's a pretty stupid comment. What he did, in any other moment, would have very obviously been ruled a technical. Had he, or a KU player, done that, in the same situation but with 5:00 left on the clock, it would have been a T. So what makes it right to not call that just because there's under a minute left to play? If the Hogs were playing someone that did something like that with thirty seconds, and the refs didn't call it because it was on a "big stage", would you be angry at them? I sure as hell would.
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hillhog

Quote from: kindtotheswine on April 08, 2008, 08:52:18 am
...which is a Technical every time...
Another T should have been called on Dorsey(?) for catching the ball thru the net and carrying it to the free throw line, plus any number of times arguing with the refs on calls. While I am on the stump, I disagree with the announcers when they say it is a good "no call" by the refs for not calling an obvious violation at a critical time. If something is a violation at one time it is a violation EVERY time, regardless. These selective descisions by the refs put them in the position of determining the outcome of the game. Sorry to disagree Tripod, but sometimes your guys flat out blow it, either by design or just incompetence.

Tripod1

No problem disagreeing, we all see things through different eyes.  Question to smokehouse though:  you placed the Hogs in that situation but used the other team as the ones slamming the ball to the floor.  What if it were a Hog player and the T was called?  You still agree a "rule is a rule"?  I still contend, on THAT stage last night, officials are going to do all that is possible from calling something like that.  Right or wrong, that is how the powers that be have it designed.


bluegrassboy75

Quote from: Tripod1 on April 08, 2008, 09:24:55 am
Wrong, not on that stage, not at that time. 

Tripod,

Being a high school official, I wasn't sure about the NCAA rules.  I was like everyone else on here thinking a T should be called.  But after a little research, I must say that you're right!! 

NCAA Rule 10 Section 3 Article 11 says that they are to have a team warning before getting a T for "failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after the whistle has blown."

Tripod1

Thanks but that was not my intent, getting the rule correct.  Think about this...basically you had a great game going. Both teams going up and down the floor, showcasing their talents, millions watching on TV, thousands in person.  Why stop all the great action and call something simply because it is or is not THE rule?  Who did it hurt?  Certainly did not hurt Memphis, did not hurt KU.  Hightower (ref) did not deem it to be showing him up so why mess up a great game?

Special Delivery Jones

Man why in the world do they even have rules?  Why mess up a great game by enforcing a rule?  Why screwup your chance at winning by doing something as stupid as slamming the ball to the floor that has most likely been a technical in 500 different instances this season.

dougieritch

Quote from: Woo_Pig_Stewie on April 07, 2008, 11:15:27 pm
For missing the foul call at the end of regulation (Rose fouling Collins before he shot the 3) 

St. John "The Whiner"   ;)

Tripod1

Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 08, 2008, 01:15:11 pm
Man why in the world do they even have rules?  Why mess up a great game by enforcing a rule?  Why screwup your chance at winning by doing something as stupid as slamming the ball to the floor that has most likely been a technical in 500 different instances this season.
Believe me friend, I have often asked the same question.  Most likely because of $$$.  It has become entertainment and watching a FT shooting contest is not entertainment.  All I know is that when I officiated at the pre-season rules meeting the director of officials, Hank Nicholes (?) went over the rules as passed by the rules committee.  He then proceded to tell us how we were to call the rule, or not call it!!!  BTW, always with input from the coaches committee.  So the way the game is called is not an "official only" take on the rules, it is with the blessings of the coaches.  They want as little called as possible.  How many times have we all heard coaches talk about a call at the end and his commit would be, "let the kids decide".  Many fans say the same WHEN a call is made.  So which do you want it?  Call it "by the book" or "let them play".  My guess is whichever benefits your team.