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ErieHog

April 02, 2008, 02:00:17 pm #100
Quote from: hogfan064 on April 02, 2008, 01:47:49 pm
Idaho has Boise State which gets about 35,000 a game.  Not large, but more people than in actual attendance at some NFL games.  Idaho has a 1-A team and averages around 20,000.  So that's 55,000 CFB fans in that state.  Not bad at all.

Montana has probably the highest 1-AA attendance #s, add in Montana State and you get about 40,000 fans watching CFB every week in that state.

My point is that CFB gives each state a sense of belonging and something to take pride within the sports world.

No team-  not even the Cardinals-- has attendance numbers of 35,000 a game or less.

Those are *piddling* numbers, when stacked against the NFL.   Attendance, people don't seem to grasp, is not popularity.  Popularity is what people watch, what people support with their money, and what gets airplay.

The numbers cannot add up favorably for CFB, no matter how they're stacked;  this is neither a good or bad thing, it's just the way things are.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogfan064

April 02, 2008, 02:00:20 pm #101
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 01:58:35 pm
And if the callers did not want to listen to it and they could not find sponsorship due to that fact then they would forgo covering the NFL for college ball.  They give the MAJORITY what they want.  Fact is there are MORE people in those areas than the others.  Therefore, by MAJORITY decision NFL would be more popular.

Yes, I never said it wasn't more popular.  My point is that the NFL has more popularity due to a few cities.  The average American State follows CFB closer IMO.
 

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 02:01:34 pm #102
Just about every game in college D-1 is now televised.  When Buffalo is available pay per view then yes you can see any game you want.  Let alone the fact that ASU was available often if not every week last year via PPV.

ErieHog

April 02, 2008, 02:01:46 pm #103
Quote from: hogsanity on April 02, 2008, 01:42:18 pm
I know, but, if you combine all college games, and all college tv viewers, how does that compare to NFL numbers?

We've gone over that;  the NFL *obliterates* CFB when it comes to TV numbers, despite having about 60% as many televised games, it outdraws viewers by over 2-to-1.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

April 02, 2008, 02:02:34 pm #104
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 02:01:34 pm
Just about every game in college D-1 is now televised.  When Buffalo is available pay per view then yes you can see any game you want.  Let alone the fact that ASU was available often if not evey week last year via PPV.

There 642 games in a standard D1 Season; of those, 397 were over-air televised last year.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogfan064

April 02, 2008, 02:03:44 pm #105
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 02:01:34 pm
Just about every game in college D-1 is now televised.  When Buffalo is available pay per view then yes you can see any game you want.  Let alone the fact that ASU was available often if not every week last year via PPV.

I live in South Carolina and I missed several Arkansas games that weren't televised last year.  That's just 1 example of a major D1 school.  There are lots of games not televised.

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 02:03:59 pm #106
Just wondering how many if any BCS games are not televised?

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 02:05:22 pm #107
It is hard for me to fathom that people could somehow argue the point of this when by a long stretch there is no comparison between the 2 in national popularity.  When you look at the NFL emblem what does it remind you of?  I rest my case.

ErieHog

April 02, 2008, 02:05:28 pm #108
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 02:03:59 pm
Just wondering how many if any BCS games are not televised?

Surprisingly many.   The Pac-10 is a prime example;  last year, they averaged 3.4 broadcast conference games during the conference season, meaning that nearly half the league had no TV exposure during any given conference weekend.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogfan064

April 02, 2008, 02:06:45 pm #109
Quote from: ErieHog on April 02, 2008, 02:01:46 pm
We've gone over that;  the NFL *obliterates* CFB when it comes to TV numbers, despite having about 60% as many televised games, it outdraws viewers by over 2-to-1.

That's true, but what would the numbers look like if schools like Tennessee had a NFL size stadium?  That would free up 40,000 extra viewers a game for that 1 school. 

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 02:07:33 pm #110
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hogfan064

April 02, 2008, 02:07:43 pm #111
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 02:03:59 pm
Just wondering how many if any BCS games are not televised?

Lots actually. 

ErieHog

April 02, 2008, 02:08:13 pm #112
Quote from: hogfan064 on April 02, 2008, 02:06:45 pm
That's true, but what would the numbers look like if schools like Tennessee had a NFL size stadium?  That would free up 40,000 extra viewers a game for that 1 school. 

It'd still be ridiculous; we're not talking about a few or even ten million aggregate viewers;  we're talking about a *half billion*.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 02:08:23 pm #113
Well the fact that they are not important enough to enough people to be televised and get sponsorship then I guess it would not be all that popular.

hogfan064

April 02, 2008, 02:09:02 pm #114
Quote from: ErieHog on April 02, 2008, 02:08:13 pm
It'd still be ridiculous; we're not talking about a few or even ten million aggregate viewers;  we're talking about a *half billion*.

A half billion?  We don't even have that many people in the United States

ErieHog

April 02, 2008, 02:10:12 pm #115
Quote from: hogfan064 on April 02, 2008, 02:09:02 pm
A half billion?  We don't even have that many people in the United States

Right.  Viewers are aggregate totals over a complete season.   CFB, by the rosiest of estimates draws about 280 million viewers in a season.   NFL numbers, on the conservative end, start at 670ish million.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogfan064

April 02, 2008, 02:11:38 pm #116
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 02:08:23 pm
Well the fact that they are not important enough to enough people to be televised and get sponsorship then I guess it would not be all that popular.

Well, an Arkansas-ULM game is popular enough for 55,000 people to attend.

Fact is more people watch the NFL on TV, but more attend CFB games in person.  The NFL is more accessible via TV and CFB is more accessible in person.   I think we can all agree on this point. 

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 02:54:50 pm #117
Quote from: hogfan064 on April 02, 2008, 02:11:38 pm
Well, an Arkansas-ULM game is popular enough for 55,000 people to attend.

Fact is more people watch the NFL on TV, but more attend CFB games in person.  The NFL is more accessible via TV and CFB is more accessible in person.   I think we can all agree on this point. 

55,000 attend to see the Hogs.  At the same time Fl. Int. and Fl. Atl. are playing in front of 6,122 people. 

hogfan064

April 02, 2008, 03:00:01 pm #118
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 02:54:50 pm
55,000 attend to see the Hogs.  At the same time Fl. Int. and Fl. Atl. are playing in front of 6,122 people. 

And South Carolina-SC State are playing infrong of 80,000 fans.

Point is that just because a game isn't televised doesn't mean there's not tons of interest in that game. 

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 03:04:13 pm #119
Oh true, but as I looked at ESPN, Foxsports, and CNNSI, I noticed something.  6 stories dedicated to the NFL on ESPN's front page, 35 including all the team pages that are on the front of SI, and 2 stories on Fox.  In all the NCAA footbal had zero front page stories.  Spygate, Pacman Jones,  Leinart partying, Long hair, in helmet devices for defense, the world wants to know.  The world is not all that interested in whether or not Casey Dick will be the starter or if Mallett will somehow be eligible.  The NFL is worldwide and colleges have their states and alums. Not a lot after that other than the usual teenage bandwagoners.

ErieHog

April 02, 2008, 03:04:20 pm #120
Quote from: hogfan064 on April 02, 2008, 03:00:01 pm
And South Carolina-SC State are playing infrong of 80,000 fans.

Point is that just because a game isn't televised doesn't mean there's not tons of interest in that game. 


That's a very subjective definition of 'tons of interest'  -- attendance, whether it be 5,000; 50,000 ; or 500,000 is a poor indicator of interest.  Interest is viewers.  If teams relied on their attendance, the sports culture in the US would come to a screeching halt.

You can't realistically compare a sold out stadium of 80,000  with 450-600,000 TV viewers' popularity to an NFL game with 50-60,000 attendees, and a minimum of 2.5 million viewers.  It's a ridiculous proposition.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 03:08:33 pm #121
It is literally millions versus thousands and millions versus 10s of millions.  They are not equitable.  Fact is college football is not even 2nd to the beast that is the NFL. 

NuttinItUp

April 02, 2008, 03:08:37 pm #122
Quote from: hogfan064 on April 02, 2008, 02:11:38 pm
Well, an Arkansas-ULM game is popular enough for 55,000 people to attend.

Fact is more people watch the NFL on TV, but more attend CFB games in person.  The NFL is more accessible via TV and CFB is more accessible in person.   I think we can all agree on this point. 
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 02:54:50 pm
55,000 attend to see the Hogs.  At the same time Fl. Int. and Fl. Atl. are playing in front of 6,122 people. 
No one is claiming Fl. Int. or Fl. Atl. are more popular than an NFL team (or a major college team for that matter). Just that, combined, there are more college football attendees than NFL. I would like to hear a comparison of how many people "consume" the game (either on radio or tv) in college vs. NFL. There are a lot more NFL viewers on tv, but if you add in radio, I bet the numbers are much closer. (since the radio networks for major colleges are much more prolific)

In general, I just think NFL fans are more "casual" (will watch anything that is on), while college fans are more fanatical. Which determines "popularity" (what the question is asking) is up for debate, I guess.

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 03:09:13 pm #123
Many more people attend MLB than they do the NFL, but they still do not generate the same popularity level. 
 

ErieHog

April 02, 2008, 03:10:37 pm #124
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 03:09:13 pm
Many more people attend MLB than they do the NFL, but they still do not generate the same popularity level. 

Oddly, the ticket revenue is just about even between the two; mind, baseball has 10x as many games, but usually in slightly smaller venues.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 03:11:10 pm #125
The NFL radio network reaches a heck of a lot of people.  Got to pay to get that. 

DeltaBoy

April 02, 2008, 03:11:18 pm #126
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Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 03:13:58 pm #127
4,860 MLB games every season.  512 NFL games.  The NFL is the smallest when it comes to every number other than the most important one and that is the one that follows this $.

NuttinItUp

April 02, 2008, 03:14:18 pm #128
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 03:04:13 pm
Oh true, but as I looked at ESPN, Foxsports, and CNNSI, I noticed something.  6 stories dedicated to the NFL on ESPN's front page, 35 including all the team pages that are on the front of SI, and 2 stories on Fox.  In all the NCAA footbal had zero front page stories.  Spygate, Pacman Jones,  Leinart partying, Long hair, in helmet devices for defense, the world wants to know.  The world is not all that interested in whether or not Casey Dick will be the starter or if Mallett will somehow be eligible.  The NFL is worldwide and colleges have their states and alums. Not a lot after that other than the usual teenage bandwagoners.
Because those stories are bigger individually. The college football stories are of interest to less people, but they are of more interest to those people who are interested in them. Basically you are dilluting it across 100+ teams instead of 32. (actually several hundred if you want to count D2, D3) The question is not about individual stories, teams, games, etc, but overall which is more popular. Just because any given 10 stories from the NFL might be of more interest nationally than any given 10 college football stories does not mean that all the NFL stories out there are of more interest than all of the college football stories out there. Bama stories are of more interest in Bama than any NFL story; Same in any market I would presume....or, at least any market I have ever lived in.

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 03:14:51 pm #129
For myself I am a college fan first and foremost, but I do realize that the NFL is a much larger entity.

NuttinItUp

April 02, 2008, 03:15:24 pm #130
Quote from: Special Delivery Jones on April 02, 2008, 03:13:58 pm
4,860 MLB games every season.  512 NFL games.  The NFL is the smallest when it comes to every number other than the most important one and that is the one that follows this $.
I will give it to you that NFL is the most efficient per game producer in the history of sports.

Throwback1

April 02, 2008, 03:15:36 pm #131
Quote from: BCShogs on April 01, 2008, 02:49:17 pm
NCAA is more popular in the South. NFL is much more popular as a whole.
Well, there isn't really any NCAA football in the north.
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Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 03:15:58 pm #132
Monday Night Football. 

Special Delivery Jones

April 02, 2008, 03:17:11 pm #133
Tell me the avatar to the left is not one of the most recognizable images in the nation if not the world.

Junkyard Hog

April 02, 2008, 03:34:10 pm #134
I don't care much for pro football except to watch former Hogs.  I LOVE college football.

With that being said, the NFL is much more popular than NCAA football.
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