Compare-The 2014 Seasons-Arkansas Vs. Missouri

[MuskogeeHogFan]

In my opinion, the main reason why Missouri won against us is because of the following Defensive Coach.

www.mutigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/steckel_dave00.html

Steckel can defensive coach.  I can think of only 2 games in which he had subpar defensive game planning/play calling, and those 2 were the SEC Championship game in 2013 against Auburn and last season against Indiana.

Thankfully, Steckel has left Missouri (he got a head coaching job).

Their defense is what saved them all season. Same thing with LSU. LSU didn't go 8-5 because they had a great offense (387.4 yds total offense), it was their defense (316.9 yds total defense).

[Cresthog]

In my opinion, the main reason why Missouri won against us is because of the following Defensive Coach.

www.mutigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/steckel_dave00.html

Steckel can defensive coach.  I can think of only 2 games in which he had subpar defensive game planning/play calling, and those 2 were the SEC Championship game in 2013 against Auburn and last season against Indiana.

Thankfully, Steckel has left Missouri (he got a head coaching job).

Only 2 games?

What about when they got beat 34-0 by UGA? That was defensive brilliance.

[Paul]

Wow!  They converted 81% 4th downs!

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Wow!  They converted 81% 4th downs!

Oddly enough, while they only converted 42.9% on third downs, when they got in the RZ they scored an astronomically high 93.3% of the time (#3 in the country and #2 among FBS teams) and still managed to score fewer points per game on average than we did.

[Chief Mac]

Exactly.  For people on this board that could care less about Mizzou, there's a lot of angst against them.

And mizzou fans can't help but migrate to this board....lots of angst there as well??

[Bacons Rebellion]

The difference in our records isn't in the statistics. It's because four times we had opportunities to drive for a clinching or winning score (A&M, Alabama, Mississippi State, and Missouri) and never once did we execute.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

The difference in our records isn't in the statistics. It's because four times we had opportunities to drive for a clinching or winning score (A&M, Alabama, Mississippi State, and Missouri) and never once did we execute.

That nonetheless plays into the statistics, but I don't disagree that we didn't execute when we needed to.

[HawgTide]

And mizzou fans can't help but migrate to this board....lots of angst there as well??

The Mizzou boards blow. Nobody should have to read that crap

[Cresthog]

We choked. That's what we did.

Missouri flat out has our number and I hate it. Not ifs and or buts about it.

[RazorChuck]

Mizzouman,  I like you as a poster. I respect your opinions. You have a very unbiased perspective in most cases,  but you are simply wrong in this instance.  Brandon's injury totally changed the games results.  Not even debatable.  He wasn't banged up. He wasn't just playing with nagging football related injuries.  No, he was incapacitated and could not throw the ball. That is on the staff. But it allowed Missouri to win that game.

It was actually the officiating that won the game for pizzou.

[geauxhawgs]

LSU BLEAUXS. All that matters. WPS!

[LJHOG]

I read that there was a disagreement between chaney and BB on the issue, but it wasn't stated which wanted to pull him and which wanted to keep him in.  which is frustrating because now I don't know who to be mad at.

head coach is responsible.  since BA stayed I would figure it was BB call.

[mizzouman]

Again, the obvious seems to be escaping you. What do you think it means? There isn't anything vague about it. "It is unbelieveable how much better in so many categories that we were compared to Missouri." There isn't anything speculative about that because it is factually true. Seems you are trying to fabricate an argument just because you don't care for the facts. Seriously, stop being purposely obtuse. That statement is completely clear.

Were we better in most categories than Missouri? Yes. And I don't know that if I compared us to a lot of other teams season stats that we played, that I could say the same thing, that two teams were very similar and yet one won 11 games and the other won 7. By the way, the only one who is arguing in this thread is you, and I honestly don't know if you are truly confused and unable to comprehend something so simple, or if you are purposely trying to be difficult and stimulate an argument. I can only explain it just so many times at the simplest level.

The speculation is that because the stats are better, Arkansas was a better team.  If that was not your conclusion of these stats, then I stand corrected.

[mizzouman]

Mizzouman,  I like you as a poster. I respect your opinions. You have a very unbiased perspective in most cases,  but you are simply wrong in this instance.  Brandon's injury totally changed the games results.  Not even debatable.  He wasn't banged up. He wasn't just playing with nagging football related injuries.  No, he was incapacitated and could not throw the ball. That is on the staff. But it allowed Missouri to win that game.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.  Besides, we'll never know.  And so what?  You play with the players you have.  Who knows, if Mauk was 100%, maybe we win by a bigger margin.  Who knows, if Murphy and Hansborough were 100%, it would have been a 3 score win.

What I'm trying to say is that injuries are part of it.  If BA was hurt that much and you didn't have a backup, then that tells you something about that particular team.  It was game 12.  Everyone is hurt.....

[mizzouman]

And he will counter with "Mauk playing injured, the O-Line banged up all season long, etc, etc." The obvious injuries only seem to count on the Missouri side of the ball.

You are correct in what I will respond with.  Teams don't get extra points for play with hurt players.  It's football.  You don't get handicap points. 

[mizzouman]

Their defense is what saved them all season. Same thing with LSU. LSU didn't go 8-5 because they had a great offense (387.4 yds total offense), it was their defense (316.9 yds total defense).

What do you mean by "saved them?"  I mean, defense is part of the game, right?  Nothing saved there, part of the game.

[mizzouman]

And mizzou fans can't help but migrate to this board....lots of angst there as well??

I don't see but a handful of Mizzou fans on here.  I stay because I have an interest in the Razorbacks as well. 

[mizzouman]

The difference in our records isn't in the statistics. It's because four times we had opportunities to drive for a clinching or winning score (A&M, Alabama, Mississippi State, and Missouri) and never once did we execute.

Ah voice of reason.  Gotta learn how to win.  With Bielema, that will come.  Kinda of like our sucky hoops team.  Very bad team, but have been in some games.  Record could be better but don't know how to win.  But, that's part of it.

[mizzouman]

The Mizzou boards blow. Nobody should have to read that crap

It was actually the officiating that won the game for pizzou.

Yeah, those refs sucked.  If all the penalties were called, then Mizzou wins by 3 scores. 

[mizzouman]

We choked. That's what we did.

Missouri flat out has our number and I hate it. Not ifs and or buts about it.

Next year could be a different story.  Sports cycles up and down.  You guys might rattle off a couple of wins in a row against us as well.  You are in good shape with Bielema.

[mizzouman]

head coach is responsible.  since BA stayed I would figure it was BB call.

Coaching is part of it.  Maybe BB knows that even with a banged up BA, BA was the best choice.

[GoHogs1091]

Only 2 games?

What about when they got beat 34-0 by UGA? That was defensive brilliance.

Well, at least Steckel held Georgia to 34 points.  That was better than the 45 points Georgia scored on us in Little Rock.

I see your point though.  That Georgia game probably should be added to the Auburn 2013 SEC Championship game and the 2014 Indiana game as games in which Steckel was not at his best.

Steckel will most likely be a huge loss for Missouri.  Over the last 2 seasons, he was probably the difference in them winning 4 more games in each season than they would have without him as their DC.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Well, at least Steckel held Georgia to 34 points.  That was better than the 45 points Georgia scored on us in Little Rock.

I see your point though.  That Georgia game probably should be added to the Auburn 2013 SEC Championship game and the 2014 Indiana game as games in which Steckel was not at his best.

Steckel will most likely be a huge loss for Missouri.  Over the last 2 seasons, he was probably the difference in them winning 4 more games in each season than they would have without him as their DC.

There is probably a lot of truth in that. Out of 178 drives that their opponents had last year only 38 made it into their RZ, 21.3% of all drives. This was a solid number that really helped them as their 2014 offense fell off from its production in 2013 only reaching the opponents RZ on 25% of their drives (180 drives total with 45 RZ trips). Steckel did a good job for Missouri.

[mizzouman]

Well, at least Steckel held Georgia to 34 points.  That was better than the 45 points Georgia scored on us in Little Rock.

I see your point though.  That Georgia game probably should be added to the Auburn 2013 SEC Championship game and the 2014 Indiana game as games in which Steckel was not at his best.

Steckel will most likely be a huge loss for Missouri.  Over the last 2 seasons, he was probably the difference in them winning 4 more games in each season than they would have without him as their DC.

Barry Odom is taking his place.  Was a player and position coach at Mizzou before become DC at Memphis.  He should do OK.

[TheGrove68]

I don't think we miss a beat with Odom as DC.......He turned a horrid Memphis Def. from the 117th ranked squad into the 22nd ranked overall def. this year and the 5th rated scoring Def.  Being a coach on Stecks staff and being a player at Mizzou should allow for a seamless transition.

[jkstock04]

We lost to Mizzou for a number of reasons...

1. Allen was hurt.
2. Chaney throwing it in the 4th quarter with a hurt QB
3. Defense got gassed because of Chaney's play calling.
4. Mizzou hit two or three big plays because our guys were gassed.
5. Mizzou got lucky
6. Mizzou has been lucky the last two years.
7. Mizzou shouldn't be in the SEC
8. Mizzou should lay off the meth
9. Mizzou sucks
10. I hate Mizzou.

You forgot to add that our O-line got man handled by their smaller D-line in the 2nd half.