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Twist got demolished in this thread lol

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Quote from: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 12:04:24 pm
I think on the upswing has yet to be seen.  They've got it good at Georgia and they can snuggle together at night. Easier division, easier recruiting, and higher profile.  What happened? Chaney' offense sucked and Pittman was butt hurt when we dropped his buddy. In fact part of our OL woes have to do with him checking out his last year here.

You have spoken truth.

 

Dwight_K_Shrute

Ever listen to Dave Bartoo?  He breaks down the numbers.  Has Chaney as a low grade OC.  Just means he under performs the talent.  If you are a C coordinator with A to A+ talent you can still manage B grade results and look decent.  If you are a C coordinator with B talent you are  going to get C to C+ results.

Pittman was a good get for them.  Chaney not so much. 
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twistitup

Quote from: BigoBoys on September 13, 2017, 04:48:16 pm
Rember those games in 2013 when had less than 100 yards passing? 



2013 we had alot of FR starting / playing too - it may be the same results this year w Enos
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Quote from: Dwight_K_Shrute on September 13, 2017, 05:16:08 pm
Ever listen to Dave Bartoo?  He breaks down the numbers.  Has Chaney as a low grade OC.  Just means he under performs the talent.  If you are a C coordinator with A to A+ talent you can still manage B grade results and look decent.  If you are a C coordinator with B talent you are  going to get C to C+ results.

Pittman was a good get for them.  Chaney not so much. 

How does he rate Enos? Please provide link
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Quote from: jkstock04 on September 13, 2017, 04:42:58 pm
You have gotta be kidding with all this dude...seriously. Chaney is garbage...you would like to have him back getting stuck in elevators and teaching our qbs? Can you imagine him on the field actually coaching drills with the qbs? No chance man.

I don't want him back - but what we have now isn't better.

Did you watch the game Sat?
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:39:06 pm
How does he rate Enos? Please provide link

I don't think you want to hear this but:

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/771808157353979904

QuoteEnos grade in 2015 better than bobby/paul petrino best yrs with hogs

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/765657588356616192

QuoteI forgot to mention supersecret oc vs sec D.  Enos of #hogs one of best scoring efficiency metrics in sec in conf
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Quote from: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 05:42:00 pm
I don't think you want to hear this but:

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/771808157353979904

https://twitter.com/CFBMatrix/status/765657588356616192


SWEET!!!!

Now, let's go get some wins.

This will be a good thread to re-visit in the future

I love going out on a limb - let's see if it breaks. As CBB said "we will be the most improved team in the nation vs A&M
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:43:03 pm
SWEET!!!!

Now, let's go get some wins.

This will be a good thread to re-visit in the future

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Quote from: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 05:44:01 pm


How?

Let's see how it plays out - I said this earlier in the thread.

Let's watch the Georgia O vs the Arkansas O

Will be interesting
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PorkRinds

Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:43:03 pm
SWEET!!!!

Now, let's go get some wins.

This will be a good thread to re-visit in the future

I love going out on a limb - let's see if it breaks. As CBB said "we will be the most improved team in the nation vs A&M

You sure that quote is accurate?

 

factchecker

Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:45:09 pm
Let's see how it plays out - I said this earlier in the thread.

Should have thought of that before you started the thread.  Especially when all of the facts up to this point says Enos is better.
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 05:43:03 pm
As CBB said "we will be the most improved team in the nation vs A&M

Another lie.

He said in order for us to beat AnM that we will have to be the most improved team in the nation.
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onebadrubi

It's aggravating people are this dense.   Twist, even the own georincoaxh wanted Enos over Chaney and it's public knowledge.  You are just being dumb.

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twistitup

Quote from: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 05:47:13 pm

He said in order for us to beat AnM that we will have to be the most improved team in the nation.

And it's his job to get us there - 4 million a year....I expect a solid game on both O and D.

He's got time to prepare

Let's get it DONE Coach B! Go Hogs, I will be there cheering on the team.
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Quote from: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 05:46:26 pm
all of the facts up to this point says Enos is better.

Especially that superb record at Central Michigan....wait, what happened there?
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 06:47:23 pm
Especially that superb record at Central Michigan....wait, what happened there?

You're smarter than this.  Enos was head coach at Central Michigan not OC.

Plenty of coaches are better coordinators than they are head coaches.
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Quote from: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 05:47:13 pm
Another lie.

He said in order for us to beat AnM that we will have to be the most improved team in the nation.
That doesn't make me feel fuzzy inside.
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twistitup

Quote from: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 06:54:46 pm
You're smarter than this.  Enos was head coach at Central Michigan not OC.

Plenty of coaches are better coordinators than they are head coaches.

What happened to Enos and his play calling at the end of last year and so far this season? If he's a good coordinator - what happens in the second half of most of our games?

Is he just good some of the time....and not inside the 20?


Yes, he was the head coach at CMU - and did the play calling, just like he does here.
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:00:33 pm
What happened to Enos and his play calling at the end of last year and so far this season? If he's a good coordinator - what happens in the second half of most of our games?

Is he just good some of the time....and not inside the 20?


He was the head coach at CMU - and did the play calling, just like he does here

Nobody is arguing that Enos is the best OC.  Everyone is arguing that he is better than Chaney.

Even Smart wanted Enos over Chaney.  He hired Chaney to get Pittman.
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Quote from: Wildhog on September 13, 2017, 12:02:49 pm
Well, they've got a ****load of talent to work with.

Chaney was terrible.  I mean, just atrocious.

Our offense on Saturday reminded me of Chaney's last year here.
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onebadrubi

Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:00:33 pm
What happened to Enos and his play calling at the end of last year and so far this season? If he's a good coordinator - what happens in the second half of most of our games?

Is he just good some of the time....and not inside the 20?


Yes, he was the head coach at CMU - and did the play calling, just like he does here.

Gosh your trolling sucks. 

What happened to Urbana team Saturday?  Is only good some of the time?

What happened to Bobby against bama?  Is he only good some of the times?

What happened with Chaney last year against Nichols st WITH ALL THAT YALENT?  Is he just good some of the time.

How many more times do we have to shoot down your idiotic post?

twistitup

Quote from: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 07:05:13 pm
Gosh your trolling sucks. 

What happened to Urbana team Saturday?  Is only good some of the time?

What happened to Bobby against bama?  Is he only good some of the times?

What happened with Chaney last year against Nichols st WITH ALL THAT YALENT?  Is he just good some of the time.

How many more times do we have to shoot down your idiotic post?

I see a 2nd half trend with Enos - it's not pretty

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Quote from: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:14:57 pm
https://www.dawgnation.com/football/team-news/smart-inquired-about-arkansas-offensive-coordinator

Were you around during 2016?  Do you not remember the rumors being that Enos was being pursued by Georgia and Smart?

I was around, thanks for the link. Now let's go do it.....

I'm very interested in a comparison between Georgia and Ark after the season ends

We have started on different paths - let's see how things play out.
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:16:43 pm
I was around, thanks for the link. Now let's go do it.....

Then why did you need a link?

It was discussed heavily on hogville.
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:16:43 pm
I was around, thanks for the link. Now let's go do it.....

I'm very interested in a comparison between Georgia and Ark after the season ends

Georgia isn't setting the world on fire under Chaney and they haven't since he arrived. We've done better under Enos as the OC than we ever did on an ongoing basis with Chaney and in a tougher division than Chaney has to compete in now. Enos has "screwed the pooch" a few times and no doubt that is on him and Bielema. But I would take Enos over Chaney every day of the week and twice on Sunday. That doesn't mean that Enos didn't fail pretty miserably this past Saturday, but Chaney might have been as bad or worse. Get over the Chaney love, it is unfounded except that you are attempting at every turn to make a case against Bielema, just like everyone else this week. It doesn't make you unique or original.
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 02:03:19 pm
I started the thread with a question....not being critical. It's a fact that CBB has trouble retaining a staff, but that is not what this thread is about.

Chaney MAY suck, but let's keep an eye on Georgia this season and compare offensive stats at the end - who sucks more.....Enos or Chaney?

At least they started with a W....we can't say the same. It's easy to trash guys that are gone, but if he wasn't respected - he wouldn't be at GEORGIA. Most would say he took a step up from Arkansas
Kirby Smart came after Enos before he settled on Chaney.Correct???
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hoglady

Enos is probably a pretty good coach.

But still no excuse for Missouri, VT and TCU.
Offense was pathetic and the main reason for all 3 losses.
Something's terribly wrong with this offensive unit / and hopefully Enos can figure it out.
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onebadrubi

Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:16:43 pm
I was around, thanks for the link. Now let's go do it.....

I'm very interested in a comparison between Georgia and Ark after the season ends

We have started on different paths - let's see how things play out.

Funny to compare a program that year end and year out is a top 5-7 recruiting team to a team that recruits in the twenties.  Ohhhh wait, logic says there is more to it then that but only recruiting ranks matter when it fits your angle of bashing the staff or players.   

twistitup

Quote from: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 07:29:30 pm
Funny to compare a program that year end and year out is a top 5-7 recruiting team to a team that recruits in the twenties.  Ohhhh wait, logic says there is more to it then that but only recruiting ranks matter when it fits your angle of bashing the staff or players.   

Why would a top 5-7 recruiting team want some bums like Chan & Pitt....go figure
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:40:14 pm
Why would a top 5-7 recruiting team want some bums like Chan & Pitt....go figure

Pittman is a damn good coach.

His only downfall is anchoring himself to Chaney.
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Quote from: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:42:55 pm
Pittman is a damn good coach.

His only downfall is anchoring himself to Chaney.

because you know Pittman's downfalls better than Pittman himself?

C'mon man - you can't back that opinion up w facts

They just got a good win under their belts while we shiite a brick to TCU - maybe we should watch this thing play out before we talk downfalls
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:46:13 pm
because you know Pittman's downfalls better than Pittman himself?

C'mon man - you can't back that opinion up w facts

They just got a good win under their belts while we shiite a brick to TCU - maybe we should watch this thing play out before we talk downfalls

What exactly makes ND a good win?  We had a better record then them last year. 

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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:46:13 pm
because you know Pittman's downfalls better than Pittman himself?

C'mon man - you can't back that opinion up w facts

They just got a good win under their belts while we shiite a brick to TCU - maybe we should watch this thing play out before we talk downfalls

Play out?  Chaney's record as OC vs. SEC has played out plenty:

Jim Chaney's OC record vs. SEC

Tennessee
2009: 4-4
2010: 3-5
2011: 1-7
2012: 1-7
Total: 9-23

Arkansas
2013: 0-8
2014: 2-6
Total: 2-14

Georgia
2016: 4-4
2017: ?

Total: 15-41
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Quote from: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 07:53:05 pm
What exactly makes ND a good win?

Didn't you know.  If you beat Notre Dame then you might as well have won a national championship.  Cue that video:

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Quote from: factchecker on September 13, 2017, 07:53:21 pm
Play out?  Chaney's record as OC vs. SEC has played out plenty:

Jim Chaney's OC record vs. SEC

Tennessee
2009: 4-4
2010: 3-5
2011: 1-7
2012: 1-7
Total: 9-23

Arkansas
2013: 0-8
2014: 2-6
Total: 2-14

Georgia
2016: 4-4
2017: ?

Total: 15-41

He just had a 4-4 season w Smart....let's let it play out.

We don't exactly have a proven SEC OC in Enos.

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Arkansas Razorbacks Football National Championships:
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:55:35 pm
He just had a 4-4 season w Smart....let's let it play out.

We don't exactly have a proven SEC OC in Enos.

8-8 is better than 15-41
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Quote from: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 07:53:05 pm
What exactly makes ND a good win?  We had a better record then them last year. 

They were top 25, we just lost to a top 25 team----TCU would have been a good win. But our Energizing Enos Offense couldn't punch it in from the 5 - twice
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:58:10 pm
Recent trends don't look good for Enos

Overall history looks like darn for Chaney.
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Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:57:15 pm
They were top 25, we just lost to a top 25 team----TCU would have been a good win. But our Energizing Enos Offense couldn't punch it in from the 5 - twice


Ohhh so. Cause some writers put numbers in front of a team in second week of the season it makes them good. Glad to know we don't use facts from the previous year to grade teams or coaches, now we can forget last year for bielema and call him 1-1 this year and only be mad at the tcu game, not the ongoing issue... by your completely STUPID logic.

onebadrubi

Quote from: twistitup on September 13, 2017, 07:55:35 pm
He just had a 4-4 season w Smart....let's let it play out.

We don't exactly have a proven SEC OC in Enos.

By your reason we should let Bielema play it our right?  After all, Chaney has been in the sec longer than Bielema.  DA