Gottlieb tweet

[MikePiazza]

@GottliebShow 18h ago

#Arkansas basketball died when Nolan missed on Quincy Lewis,Adrian Peterson,Cory Brewer,Keith Carter, Jason Smith, ALL '95 Ark #Wings.


I thought this was completely off-base. I could kinda see what he was trying to do with the premise of his tweet, but Arkansas basketball certainly didn't die because Nolan didn't land those players.

[hogsanity]

@GottliebShow 18h ago

#Arkansas basketball died when Nolan missed on Quincy Lewis,Adrian Peterson,Cory Brewer,Keith Carter, Jason Smith, ALL '95 Ark #Wings.


I thought this was completely off-base. I could kinda see what he was trying to do with the premise of his tweet, but Arkansas basketball certainly didn't die because Nolan didn't land those players.

It sorta did because 95 was the end of the run with Corliss/Scotty and crew, and there was no one near their level brought in to keep it going. It slowly spiraled down from there.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

I'd argue that it began it's slow march toward death at about that time, but not because he didn't sign those particular players.  I'd argue it was because of the players he signed instead of them, some never made it to campus, some transferred, some just didn't pan out, and the NCAA began snooping around the program.

[MikePiazza]

I'd argue that it began it's slow march toward death at about that time, but not because he didn't sign those particular players.  I'd argue it was because of the players he signed instead of them, some never made it to campus, some transferred, some just didn't pan out, and the NCAA began snooping around the program.

And which later came in and said it was bogus and actually apologized for.

His '95 class:

Derek Hood (McDonald's All-American)
Pat Bradley (3-point specialist)
Jesse Pate (top JUCO)
Sunday Adebayo (top JUCO)
Ali Thompson

Kareem Reid was also in the class, because he had to sit out '94-95. He was also a McDonald's All-American. I think Marcus Saxon and Kareem Poole were a part of that class as well, they just didn't make it to campus.

[hogsanity]

And which later came in and said it was bogus and actually apologized for.

His '95 class:

Derek Hood (McDonald's All-American)
Pat Bradley (3-point specialist)
Jesse Pate (top JUCO)
Sunday Adebayo (top JUCO)
Ali Thompson

Kareem Reid was also in the class, because he had to sit out '94-95. He was also a McDonald's All-American. I think Marcus Saxon and Kareem Poole were a part of that class as well, they just didn't make it to campus.

decent pieces, no where near enough to come close to sustaining the recent success the program had.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

And which later came in and said it was bogus and actually apologized for.

His '95 class:

Derek Hood (McDonald's All-American)
Pat Bradley (3-point specialist)
Jesse Pate (top JUCO)
Sunday Adebayo (top JUCO)
Ali Thompson

Kareem Reid was also in the class, because he had to sit out '94-95. He was also a McDonald's All-American. I think Marcus Saxon and Kareem Poole were a part of that class as well, they just didn't make it to campus.

Saxon, Poole and Pate are the ones I was specifically referring to.  Thompson to a lesser degree and Adebayo only because of the NCAA fiasco he was thrown in the middle of.  Obviously Hood, Bradley and Reid panned out quite well, but the misses on all those others knocked us down off our national pedestal.

[hamARchy in the USA]

It began spiraling downward when John White got in the way.  After Nolan was finally fired it was revealed that Broyles wanted to fire him earlier but White wouldn't let him.  Any fan suffering through the late '90s decline could see that Nolan had hung it up and needed to go.  Then to add injury to injury, White took over the subsequent coaching hires.

Even under White, though, the program wasn't committed to mediocrity.  That didn't happen until Jeff Long hired MA.  That commitment to mediocrity officially reversed the decades-long commitment to excellence.  That nearly happened in football but fortunately Long's choice for football coach -- Tommy Bowden -- was shot down.

I've seen posts where people ridicule those who lament that Long is an outsider.  I'm not sure what has been said either way but bringing in an outsider as AD brought with it an outsider's expectation of Razorback athletics.  That's the expectation that they can't do any better.  We have to just accept things the way they are.   That's a view that is totally at odds with JFB's vision of always competing to be the best.

[BRHogfan]

It began spiraling downward when John White got in the way.  After Nolan was finally fired it was revealed that Broyles wanted to fire him earlier but White wouldn't let him.  Any fan suffering through the late '90s decline could see that Nolan had hung it up and needed to go.  Then to add injury to injury, White took over the subsequent coaching hires.

Even under White, though, the program wasn't committed to mediocrity.  That didn't happen until Jeff Long hired MA.  That commitment to mediocrity officially reversed the decades-long commitment to excellence.  That nearly happened in football but fortunately Long's choice for football coach -- Tommy Bowden -- was shot down.

I've seen posts where people ridicule those who lament that Long is an outsider.  I'm not sure what has been said either way but bringing in an outsider as AD brought with it an outsider's expectation of Razorback athletics.  That's the expectation that they can't do any better.  We have to just accept things the way they are.   That's a view that is totally at odds with JFB's vision of always competing to be the best.

Yes, Nolan spiraled because he didn't like coaching basketball anymore. It had nothing to do with his tyrant boss?  Can't believe we'd allow outsiders in our program, when Sutton, Broyles, and Nolan were all people who graduated from and came from Arkansas...

[Jackrabbit Hog]

It began spiraling downward when John White got in the way.  After Nolan was finally fired it was revealed that Broyles wanted to fire him earlier but White wouldn't let him.  Any fan suffering through the late '90s decline could see that Nolan had hung it up and needed to go.  Then to add injury to injury, White took over the subsequent coaching hires.

Even under White, though, the program wasn't committed to mediocrity.  That didn't happen until Jeff Long hired MA.  That commitment to mediocrity officially reversed the decades-long commitment to excellence.  That nearly happened in football but fortunately Long's choice for football coach -- Tommy Bowden -- was shot down.

I've seen posts where people ridicule those who lament that Long is an outsider.  I'm not sure what has been said either way but bringing in an outsider as AD brought with it an outsider's expectation of Razorback athletics.  That's the expectation that they can't do any better.  We have to just accept things the way they are.   That's a view that is totally at odds with JFB's vision of always competing to be the best.

I respectfully disagree with most of this post.  I don't think hiring CMA can be seen as reversing a commitment after the hirings of Heath and Pelphrey.  Likewise, I think Long's hiring of CBB was a real coup. 

[MikePiazza]

Saxon, Poole and Pate are the ones I was specifically referring to.  Thompson to a lesser degree and Adebayo only because of the NCAA fiasco he was thrown in the middle of.  Obviously Hood, Bradley and Reid panned out quite well, but the misses on all those others knocked us down off our national pedestal.

Pate was the team's leading scorer until the NCAA threw him and Adebayo under the bus. That team still made the Sweet 16 without those two. Mississippi State made the Final Four that year. Like to think it would've been the Hogs with those two and a healthy Darnell all year.

[MikePiazza]

decent pieces, no where near enough to come close to sustaining the recent success the program had.

Brought in Glendon Alexander (another McDonald's All-American) in '96 and everyone saw how that worked out.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Pate was the team's leading scorer until the NCAA threw him and Adebayo under the bus. That team still made the Sweet 16 without those two. Mississippi State made the Final Four that year. Like to think it would've been the Hogs with those two and a healthy Darnell all year.

My memory may not be what it once was.  Pate had kind of faded from my memory.

[hamARchy in the USA]

Yes, Nolan spiraled because he didn't like coaching basketball anymore. It had nothing to do with his tyrant boss?  Can't believe we'd allow outsiders in our program, when Sutton, Broyles, and Nolan were all people who graduated from and came from Arkansas...

Broyles expected a lot out of his programs and the coaches of those programs.  He's the one who identified the great coaches he hired to lead those programs and he's the one who pushed those coaches when they weren't doing their best.  It's because of Broyles and his vision that Razorback athletics experienced so much success for so long.   

[hamARchy in the USA]

I respectfully disagree with most of this post.  I don't think hiring CMA can be seen as reversing a commitment after the hirings of Heath and Pelphrey.  Likewise, I think Long's hiring of CBB was a real coup. 

Heath and Pelphrey were gambles taken by White.  They didn't have much of a track record.

MA wasn't a gamble.  He had a track record, one which showed he was not a championship caliber coach.  Long hired him anyway.  That's when the commitment to excellence was reversed.

Bielema pursued the Arkansas job.  The Arkansas job had become much more attractive due to Petrino's success, not Tommy Bowden's.  I too think Bielema was a good hire, one made possible by Petrino's success and Broyles' vision to move the Hogs to the SEC, and perhaps most importantly, Bielema's interest in getting away from Barry Alvarez.

[The Boar War]

Bielema pursued the Arkansas job.  The Arkansas job had become much more attractive due to Petrino's success, not Tommy Bowden's.  I too think Bielema was a good hire, one made possible by Petrino's success and Broyles' vision to move the Hogs to the SEC, and perhaps most importantly, Bielema's interest in getting away from Barry Alvarez.

Just so long as you don't give Long a single ounce of credit.

[Hawg414]

decent pieces, no where near enough to come close to sustaining the recent success the program had.

it was the #1 ranked recruiting class in the country.  ali thompson and pat bradley were the only two that werent top tier rated.  and bradley certainly earned his way into that status.  the team also returned darnell robinson and lee wilson among others.

saxon and poole never made it.  the NCAA completely screwed pate and adebayo.  enough so that in an unprecedented move as far as i know, they actually admitted they screwed up and allowed adebayo to come back to AR for a 6th year of eligibility. 

these guys were followed by glendon alexander.  chris jeffries.  jj sullinger.  andre iguodala.  so nolan definitely recruited the talent.  but for various reasons - some of which may or may not fall at the feet of nolan himself - many of these players ended up not sticking around.  about this same time is when Parkview and the Wings started producing several players.  but al flanagan and ron crawford didnt like nolan.. bc he didnt cater to them.. so many of their players (most of those mentioned in the OP tweet) went elsewhere.  and it was after the failures of many of the recruits he did land that nolan started feeling the pressure from the local good ol boys about the "types" of players he was recruiting.. and even the color of the players he was recruiting.. and the next thing you know we are ending up with locally touted high school players who didnt even come close to fitting the "type" of players nolan had built his success on.  jason gilbert.. jason jennings.. was it justin hankins(?).. and it was at THAT point i think nolan basically quit.  he was essentially being told who to recruit.  i also believe nolans disdain for the AAU circuit and the type of recruiting involved stemmed directly from his own backyard, primarily from the two mentioned above. 

long story short - the decline happened bc of a combination of many things.  but it wasnt bc nolan didnt sign any talent after the 95 team.  he signed as much talent after that team as he had before that team.  id say the NCAA directly, and flanagan and crawford indirectly, had as much to do with the decline as anything. 

[donkey]

Heath and Pelphrey were gambles taken by White.  They didn't have much of a track record.

MA wasn't a gamble.  He had a track record, one which showed he was not a championship caliber coach.  Long hired him anyway.  That's when the commitment to excellence was reversed.

Bielema pursued the Arkansas job.  The Arkansas job had become much more attractive due to Petrino's success, not Tommy Bowden's.  I too think Bielema was a good hire, one made possible by Petrino's success and Broyles' vision to move the Hogs to the SEC, and perhaps most importantly, Bielema's interest in getting away from Barry Alvarez.

I don't know who could've been hired that would have been a better fit or had a better track record than Anderson.  He'd been to an elite 8 and a sweet 16, won over 65% of his games in a much tougher league, and played a style that the fans had been clamoring for since Nolan left. 

The only other name that I heard circulated at the time was Buzz Williams, but he had a 3 million dollar buyout and we either weren't willing to pay that or he wasn't interested in coming at all.  Buzz, by the way, went 11-22 in his first season at Va Tech. 

I also remember that there were a lot of people who didn't think we could get Anderson at the time.  During the Pelphrey hire, like 10 people supposedly turned us down. 

He probably won't get us back to any kind of serious contention, but he's by far the best that we could or should have hoped for at that time.  The big miss, in my mind which is much clearer in retrospect, is that we had the opportunity to hire Gregg Marshall and hired Pelphrey instead. 

[Jackrabbit Hog]

it was the #1 ranked recruiting class in the country.  ali thompson and pat bradley were the only two that werent top tier rated.  and bradley certainly earned his way into that status.  the team also returned darnell robinson and lee wilson among others.

saxon and poole never made it.  the NCAA completely screwed pate and adebayo.  enough so that in an unprecedented move as far as i know, they actually admitted they screwed up and allowed adebayo to come back to AR for a 6th year of eligibility. 

these guys were followed by glendon alexander.  chris jeffries.  jj sullinger.  andre iguodala.  so nolan definitely recruited the talent.  but for various reasons - some of which may or may not fall at the feet of nolan himself - many of these players ended up not sticking around.  about this same time is when Parkview and the Wings started producing several players.  but al flanagan and ron crawford didnt like nolan.. bc he didnt cater to them.. so many of their players (most of those mentioned in the OP tweet) went elsewhere.  and it was after the failures of many of the recruits he did land that nolan started feeling the pressure from the local good ol boys about the "types" of players he was recruiting.. and even the color of the players he was recruiting.. and the next thing you know we are ending up with locally touted high school players who didnt even come close to fitting the "type" of players nolan had built his success on.  jason gilbert.. jason jennings.. was it justin hankins(?).. and it was at THAT point i think nolan basically quit.  he was essentially being told who to recruit.  i also believe nolans disdain for the AAU circuit and the type of recruiting involved stemmed directly from his own backyard, primarily from the two mentioned above. 

long story short - the decline happened bc of a combination of many things.  but it wasnt bc nolan didnt sign any talent after the 95 team.  he signed as much talent after that team as he had before that team.  id say the NCAA directly, and flanagan and crawford indirectly, had as much to do with the decline as anything.

Now I know I've lost my memory.  I'd have sworn Iguodala played for the University of Arizona.

[Atlhogfan1]

Of course it goes much deeper than what Gottlieb listed.  But that is an interesting list and reminder of one thing that was happening in that era. 

These were all high school players.  You have to remember what was happening during this time with Nolan and his public attitude towards academics as it related to his recruits and players.  He was with John Thompson in protesting the NCAA's attempts to change/add academic requirements.  He recruited Jucos who couldn't academically qualify or at least couldn't be eligible immediately instead of building relationships with the emerging AAU entities.  Nolan was at odds with some of those influential in state.  College basketball was changing.  He couldn't or wouldn't adjust.  I'm leaning wouldn't as he is stubborn and so is Mike(even moreso in some ways).  He promoted the fact he wasn't responsible for them academically.  Then you had the Kim Wood incident.  Of course that wasn't going to mesh with John White (who did a lot of damage to Hog athletics).

Broyles lost that fire as evidenced by his backing of Nutt and being sold on the belief Arkansas couldn't do better. 

Pel was a desperation hire.  Altman was the actual hire but we know how that went. 

[hamARchy in the USA]

Just so long as you don't give Long a single ounce of credit.

He makes a good taxi driver.

[Hawg414]

Now I know I've lost my memory.  I'd have sworn Iguodala played for the University of Arizona.

he did.  but only bc nolan was fired.  iguodala was already committed and coming to AR.  to join sullinger, who had already played a year.  after nolans firing, iguodala switched to arizona.  and sullinger transferred to ohio st.  obviously nothing is known for certain after the fact, but due to sullingers relationship with greg oden and mike conley jr (and remember, mike conley sr was an AR track all american), it is more than just possible that nolans team, in 2 years, would have been sullinger, iguodala, oden and conley.  and presumably sullingers younger brother who followed him to ohio st a few years later.  remember the run of success ohio st had during those years?  yeah, that may very well have been nolans next hurrah.

all speculation.  and water under the bridge now.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Broyles lost that fire as evidenced by his backing of Nutt and being sold on the belief Arkansas couldn't do better. 

Interesting.  In another thread going on today another poster is complaining about how we lost our commitment to excellence with the retirement of Broyles, who demanded excellence and wouldn't settle for anything less.

[GS99]

he did.  but only bc nolan was fired.  iguodala was already committed and coming to AR.  to join sullinger, who had already played a year.  after nolans firing, iguodala switched to arizona.  and sullinger transferred to ohio st.  obviously nothing is known for certain after the fact, but due to sullingers relationship with greg oden and mike conley jr (and remember, mike conley sr was an AR track all american), it is more than just possible that nolans team, in 2 years, would have been sullinger, iguodala, oden and conley.  and presumably sullingers younger brother who followed him to ohio st a few years later.  remember the run of success ohio st had during those years?  yeah, that may very well have been nolans next hurrah.

all speculation.  and water under the bridge now.

It's just fun speculation, but a year or two ago didn't Mike Conley Sr actually say that Mike Jr and Oden would have come to Arkansas had Nolan or Mike Anderson been coach at the time?

[MikePiazza]

he did.  but only bc nolan was fired.  iguodala was already committed and coming to AR.  to join sullinger, who had already played a year.  after nolans firing, iguodala switched to arizona.  and sullinger transferred to ohio st.  obviously nothing is known for certain after the fact, but due to sullingers relationship with greg oden and mike conley jr (and remember, mike conley sr was an AR track all american), it is more than just possible that nolans team, in 2 years, would have been sullinger, iguodala, oden and conley.  and presumably sullingers younger brother who followed him to ohio st a few years later.  remember the run of success ohio st had during those years?  yeah, that may very well have been nolans next hurrah.

all speculation.  and water under the bridge now.

Iguodala would've graduated by the time Oden and Conley were eligible. They wouldn't have made it until 2006-07. Same with Sullinger.

[Hawg414]

It's just fun speculation, but a year or two ago didn't Mike Conley Sr actually say that Mike Jr and Oden would have come to Arkansas had Nolan or Mike Anderson been coach at the time?

i remember reading on here that he said it.  dont know that i ever actually saw video of it or whatever. 
and either way, it was speculated at the time oden and conley were recruited.  oden, conley and sullinger had extreme success at Ohio St.  we'da had them, PLUS andre Iguodala. 

[Hawg414]

Iguodala would've graduated by the time Oden and Conley were eligible. They wouldn't have made it until 2006-07. Same with Sullinger.

ok.  i was thinking conley and oden played with jj sullinger.  and if so, that woulda had them on the same team as iguodala.  but maybe not.  guess it woulda been iguodala and jj on a team... then conley and oden and little sullinger later.

[MikePiazza]

ok.  i was thinking conley and oden played with jj sullinger.  and if so, that woulda had them on the same team as iguodala.  but maybe not.  guess it woulda been iguodala and jj on a team... then conley and oden and little sullinger later.

The '03 and '04 teams would've been pretty salty, '05 might've been a down year, and then '06 and '07 would've been really good with those guys. Unfortunately, Ronnie would've probably not been a Hog.

[HawgAdvocate]

it was the #1 ranked recruiting class in the country.  ali thompson and pat bradley were the only two that werent top tier rated.  and bradley certainly earned his way into that status.  the team also returned darnell robinson and lee wilson among others.

saxon and poole never made it.  the NCAA completely screwed pate and adebayo.  enough so that in an unprecedented move as far as i know, they actually admitted they screwed up and allowed adebayo to come back to AR for a 6th year of eligibility. 

'these guys' were followed by glendon alexander.  chris jeffries.  jj sullinger.  andre iguodala.  so nolan definitely recruited the talent. 

Problem was though, after 'those guys' you mentioned, there was a decent, extended period of time between that #1 class and 4* Jeffries (left after ONE season because, at 6'8" 215, he didn't come to play the 5 spot), 3* Sullinger (Nolan's final season, had no outside jumper to his game) and Iguodola.

The Hankins, Bakers, Lanes, Gilberts, Satchels, Deans, Gipsons, & Berry Jordans of the Razorback world couldn't sustain what Reid, Hood, and Bradley left. Joe and Jannero couldn't carry the load with 'Gomez and the funky bunch' in the paint.

[hamARchy in the USA]

Interesting.  In another thread going on today another poster is complaining about how we lost our commitment to excellence with the retirement of Broyles, who demanded excellence and wouldn't settle for anything less.

There is overlap.  It began with the intervention of White.  Nutt is on White and his committee.  Broyles didn't publicly criticize.  Anyone.  Not even Nolan to this day I don't think.  In hindsight, if Broyles had been concerned about his legacy it would have been best to retire years earlier so as not to suffer from the tarnish of White's blundering.  Still, it wasn't until Long that an effort was made to hire mediocrity

[Atlhogfan1]

Interesting.  In another thread going on today another poster is complaining about how we lost our commitment to excellence with the retirement of Broyles, who demanded excellence and wouldn't settle for anything less.

The Broyles of the last several years wasn't the same.

[HawgAdvocate]

The Broyles of the last several years wasn't the same.

He 'checked out' well before Nolan was fired.

[hogfan10]

He 'checked out' well before Nolan was fired.

I don't think he checked out, I think White neutered him.

[MB Hog]

it was the #1 ranked recruiting class in the country.  ali thompson and pat bradley were the only two that werent top tier rated.  and bradley certainly earned his way into that status.  the team also returned darnell robinson and lee wilson among others.

saxon and poole never made it.  the NCAA completely screwed pate and adebayo.  enough so that in an unprecedented move as far as i know, they actually admitted they screwed up and allowed adebayo to come back to AR for a 6th year of eligibility. 

these guys were followed by glendon alexander.  chris jeffries.  jj sullinger.  andre iguodala.  so nolan definitely recruited the talent.  but for various reasons - some of which may or may not fall at the feet of nolan himself - many of these players ended up not sticking around.  about this same time is when Parkview and the Wings started producing several players.  but al flanagan and ron crawford didnt like nolan.. bc he didnt cater to them.. so many of their players (most of those mentioned in the OP tweet) went elsewhere.  and it was after the failures of many of the recruits he did land that nolan started feeling the pressure from the local good ol boys about the "types" of players he was recruiting.. and even the color of the players he was recruiting.. and the next thing you know we are ending up with locally touted high school players who didnt even come close to fitting the "type" of players nolan had built his success on.  jason gilbert.. jason jennings.. was it justin hankins(?).. and it was at THAT point i think nolan basically quit.  he was essentially being told who to recruit.  i also believe nolans disdain for the AAU circuit and the type of recruiting involved stemmed directly from his own backyard, primarily from the two mentioned above. 

long story short - the decline happened bc of a combination of many things.  but it wasnt bc nolan didnt sign any talent after the 95 team.  he signed as much talent after that team as he had before that team.  id say the NCAA directly, and flanagan and crawford indirectly, had as much to do with the decline as anything. 

Impressive memory!  I remember all of that now that you re-capped it, but had forgotten quite a bit.  I also remember Wally Hall couldn't stop signing praises of the Ole Miss program because of the Arkansas players they signed and had success with.  Everyone wanted us to find the next Carter in the home state.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Impressive memory!  I remember all of that now that you re-capped it, but had forgotten quite a bit.  I also remember Wally Hall couldn't stop signing praises of the Ole Miss program because of the Arkansas players they signed and had success with.  Everyone wanted us to find the next Carter in the home state.

Those guys always played with a chip on their shoulder when they played us.  I give them their due for kicking our butts and it frustrated the he11 out of me, but I'm still not sure we needed to have recruited all of them.

[hawginbigd1]

@GottliebShow 18h ago

#Arkansas basketball died when Nolan missed on Quincy Lewis,Adrian Peterson,Cory Brewer,Keith Carter, Jason Smith, ALL '95 Ark #Wings.


I thought this was completely off-base. I could kinda see what he was trying to do with the premise of his tweet, but Arkansas basketball certainly didn't die because Nolan didn't land those players.

I concur all except Peterson, Nolan's faltering recruiting led to his demise, period IMO. The crap that he had to take would have been much less if the talent level had not fallen which would have led to more winning!

[PonderinHog]

ok.  i was thinking conley and oden played with jj sullinger.  and if so, that woulda had them on the same team as iguodala.  but maybe not.  guess it woulda been iguodala and jj on a team... then conley and oden and little sullinger later.

Didn't JJ have a younger brother that also played for osu?

[PonderinHog]

You're a [CENSORED] idiot... that class was the #1 ranked class

That's some pretty serious ownage right there!   :razorback:

[Mr. Porkleone]

Gottlieb pegged it.

Nolan Richardson sunk the program.  We hired his sub par pupil MA who is a mid level coach who's done nothing. Fans have bailed. Can't even sell out KU.

We are so far irrelevant it's not funny. National media laughs when were brought up. Too bad a few on here can't see past there love of Nolan. He doomed this program 

[PonderinHog]

Gottlieb pegged it.

Nolan Richardson sunk the program.  We hired his sub par pupil MA who is a mid level coach who's done nothing. Fans have bailed. Can't even sell out KU.

We are so far irrelevant it's not funny. National media laughs when were brought up. Too bad a few on here can't see past there love of Nolan. He doomed this program

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Didn't JJ have a younger brother that also played for osu?

Jared.  Playing in the NBA right now.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Careful there.  Porkleone will cast you down with the sodomites.

[Mr. Porkleone]

PonderinHog...... That's good dude. 

I'm just sick of being so bad.

[PonderinHog]

PonderinHog...... That's good dude. 

I'm just sick of being so bad.

I hear you, man.  I guess it beats forty years in the wilderness but not by much.  I thought we had a good chance against Kentucky last night, but we were out _______.

played
hustled
rebounded
shot
coached
classed.

Fill in the blank...

[Hoggish1]

@GottliebShow 18h ago

#Arkansas basketball died when Nolan missed on Quincy Lewis,Adrian Peterson,Cory Brewer,Keith Carter, Jason Smith, ALL '95 Ark #Wings.


I thought this was completely off-base. I could kinda see what he was trying to do with the premise of his tweet, but Arkansas basketball certainly didn't die because Nolan didn't land those players.

But, it might have died when he wasn't allowed to sign Andre Iguodala and that crew because he was fired by White...

[Hoggish1]

Now I know I've lost my memory.  I'd have sworn Iguodala played for the University of Arizona.

He did, but only because he went there when Nolan was fired.  Nolan was bringing in, with Andre, a very talented class until the plug was pulled...

[hogfan10]

He did, but only because he went there when Nolan was fired.  Nolan was bringing in, with Andre, a very talented class until the plug was pulled...

I don't remember who were the others that were coming?

[HawgAdvocate]

I don't remember who were the others that were coming?

Brandon Tobias and Rashard Sullivan were the bigs (meh).

Modica was in that group, as was Wenbos Mukubu. Mukubu played two uninspiring seasons at Arkansas before joining Tobias at UAB.

Modica and Iggy were the only 'keepers.'

[hogfan10]

Brandon Tobias and Rashard Sullivan were the bigs (meh).

Modica was in that group, as was Wenbos Mukubu. Mukubu played two uninspiring seasons at Arkansas before joining Tobias at UAB.

Modica and Iggy were the only 'keepers.'

Thanks, kinda what I was thinking. Tobias couldn't get in academically, right?

[HawgAdvocate]

Thanks, kinda what I was thinking. Tobias couldn't get in academically, right?

I think he was eligible, but chose to get his release and go with Coach A. You may be thinking of Demario Eddins, a 6'6" wing who signed a year earlier with Sullinger and Berry Jordan, but was ineligible and also ended up at UAB.

Neither Tobias nor Sullivan had any hype behind them when they signed.

[hogfan10]

I think he was eligible, but chose to get his release and go with Coach A. You may be thinking of Demario Eddins, a 6'6" wing who signed a year earlier with Sullinger, but was ineligible and also ended up at UAB.

Neither Tobias nor Sullivan had any hype behind them when they signed.

Sounds right, thanks.

Also, if I'm not mistaken Igoudala had a family connection to Nolan, as did Sullinger.
And, wasn't Conley connected with Satch Sullivan (who was a friend of Nolan's); so once Nolan was out, Sullinger left and went to OSU. Which is where Conley, Oden & the younger Sullinger all went.

It would have been a great recruiting haul, but unless Nolan had some more long-time friends with stud sons/grandsons/nephews it was soon to dry up. It would have been fun for a few years though.