Eliminate the one and dones

[Rocky&Boarwinkle]

References for these accusations or did you get your diploma at Kinkos?

this discussion board is for Razorback fans.  I don't respond to apologists of said schools.  Go stroke each other's whatever on your kitty kat board.

[code red]

The only good thing about basketball now....is that baseball is right around the corner.  Basketball will improve at Arkansas....when Mike gets a plan in recruiting.

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

this discussion board is for Razorback fans.  I don't respond to apologists of said schools.  Go stroke each other's whatever on your kitty kat board.

Nah.  I like reading the opinions of other schools' fans unless they're trolling.
He's just defending his program with blue tinted glasses on.

I'm not for a rule that targets one or a few schools.  I am for a rule that more effectively deals with the one and dones.  Maybe, someone who knows all the laws, etc could figure this out.  I'd like to see a guaranteed three years upon accepting a scholarship.

If a player didn't want to be locked into three years with a college, they can go to the D League or overseas.  Personally, I don't think there'd be a mass exodus.  Maybe treat the scholarship as a legal document, and force both the school and player to honor it.

[hogfan10]

FUNNY.... Do you think Cal would rather not have Anthony Davis or Karl Townes for 3 years...  You have to look back at that post and say did I really say that....  Maybe you would like to hit the powerball, keep the money for 1 year and give it all away....  Didn't everyone want Monk to come to Arkansas, did you think he was staying 4 years and graduating???  Portis left in 2 years and much pride in that guy....

Cal is playing within the NCAA rules and winning more games than anyone else.... MA needs to put the same effort into recruiting, or half the effort.

I'm sure Cal would love to have those guys for 3 years, as would any coach. The thing is, if there was the 3 year rule; it would allow for more schools to sign some of these can't miss players. Which in turn, would make the overall product more interesting.
Maybe it's because I'm getting old; but as each year passes, I become even less interested in college basketball. That's not the case with college football or baseball. I think it's because the product is a complete overhaul from year to year in basketball. There's no familiarity besides the names on the front of the uniforms.

[opineonswine]

I'm so sick of the Kentucky crap with the one and done players.  Time to reinstate the ability to go straight from high school to the pros.  Then if you choose to play in college, you can't get drafted for three years.  Baseball has it right.

As soon as they impose this rule, Calipari moves to the pros and Kentucky doesn't automatically sign a bunch of 5-stars each year who only plan to stay in college for one obligatory year.

Send the players who don't care about education on their way and quit wasting good scholarships on them.

This is close to becoming reality.

[TheOtherColombia]

Where did I say Kentucky would suck?

You didn't but you implied that one and done is what makes Kentucky the program that they are.  It doesn't matter what the rules are, Kentucky is a blue blood program and will get whatever kids they want and be successful with those kids.  The history and consistent excellence (subjective but best word I could come up with) year after year is what makes Kentucky what they are.  Not a handful of kids that decide to play their one year of college ball at Kentucky. 

[MB Hog]

The problem with your position is that there is a diminishing rate of return issue;  it isn't like the other top half players aren't occupying huge minutes numbers already-- the optimization that you can hope to see there is necessarily limited.

The quality of college basketball plummets when the best players leave or don't participate at all-- that is at the heart of the decline of college basketball, not the one and done model.

Eliminating it, and forcing the best players out of the college game would be terrible.

That also depends.  Your theory assumes that every hopeful one-and-done will just skip college to go pro.  Instead, I would think that just a few will actually be considered a sure thing and take the chance of making the jump.  As always, there will be those who get bad info and declare for the NBA when they shouldn't, but there will also be many who will decide to go to college and improve their chances.  Make them stay three years like they do in baseball and you have a much better product on the floor, i.e., we'd have Bobby Portis for one more year, Kentucky would still have the Harrison twins, etc.

Another item to address is the fallout of high schoolers who go pro, but shouldn't.  I know they are working on changes for the college players who declare to give them more time to decide to go back to college after the NBA combines.  They could extend this option to a handful of the top high school players, too.  But the details of that would be another discussion.

[Rocky&Boarwinkle]

It would also end the farce of some of these kids "going to class" that many schools do, and sometimes screw up on: see Georgia from many years ago.

[MB Hog]

The only good thing about basketball now....is that baseball is right around the corner.  Basketball will improve at Arkansas....when Mike gets a plan in recruiting.

Your last statement brings up another good discussion item about CMA's recruiting plan.  I happen to like the direction he is going.  For the most part, he is going after guys who aren't necessarily one-and-dones.  Instead, he is going after high quality players who are more likely to stick around and develop a few years... Jucos for two years, high schoolers for 2 - 4 years.  Yes, he went after Monk, but he has to go for a player like this when they are in his own back yard.

Because of the Kentucky's of the world and their scam to sign a ton of 5-stars on a fast track to the NBA, you can either try to sign the guys they are getting or go another direction and build a team of talented players who he can developed for a few years.  Since UA is not a shoo-in to sign the 5 stars, CMA (IMO) is wisely choosing to recruit players he can build into a solid group of experienced and savvy players.  I think that is very smart of him.

[MB Hog]

I'm sure Cal would love to have those guys for 3 years, as would any coach. The thing is, if there was the 3 year rule; it would allow for more schools to sign some of these can't miss players. Which in turn, would make the overall product more interesting.
Maybe it's because I'm getting old; but as each year passes, I become even less interested in college basketball. That's not the case with college football or baseball. I think it's because the product is a complete overhaul from year to year in basketball. There's no familiarity besides the names on the front of the uniforms.

Spot on!

[jkstock04]

Maybe it's because I'm getting old; but as each year passes, I become even less interested in college basketball. That's not the case with college football or baseball. I think it's because the product is a complete overhaul from year to year in basketball. There's no familiarity besides the names on the front of the uniforms.

The Big 12 plays quality basketball. I'm almost in the same boat you are but games in that conference are a lot of fun to watch. A lot of good, quality basketball players that actually play fundamentally sound. Night and day different from watching a Hog game.

The thing is, all this crying about Kentucky from our fans...I would put several Big 12 teams up against this Kentucky team. Kentucky/Cal has a lot of success but it's not like they are winning the national championship every year. Am I mistaken or was this the 1st time a Cal coached Kentucky team beat the Hogs at home? I think a little bit more is made of their success than need be. They are not 100% unstoppable due to their recruiting practices like our fans try to make them out to be.

We'll see what happens when they play Kansas here in a few days. I think they will lose by 5-10 points maybe more.

[MB Hog]

You didn't but you implied that one and done is what makes Kentucky the program that they are.  It doesn't matter what the rules are, Kentucky is a blue blood program and will get whatever kids they want and be successful with those kids.  The history and consistent excellence (subjective but best word I could come up with) year after year is what makes Kentucky what they are.  Not a handful of kids that decide to play their one year of college ball at Kentucky. 

I absolutely agree Kentucky will remain a top basketball program either way.  But I do think Calipari's recruiting strategy would have to change and might make him move on to the pros.  Right now, he doesn't have to manage his year-to-year scholarships because he knows he will have several open slots each year as his one-and-dones pass through and most of his others will likely leave early, too.  As others have said, the current strategy not only keeps the 5-stars rolling in for KY, it also keeps them away from other schools because KY always has a bunch of openings.  Make them stay three years and Calipari will have some years where he only has 2 or 3 spots available, thus opening the door for others to pull in that talent.  That evens the talent pool in college and makes for a better product on the collective floor.

[MB Hog]

The Big 12 plays quality basketball. I'm almost in the same boat you are but games in that conference are a lot of fun to watch. A lot of good, quality basketball players that actually play fundamentally sound. Night and day different from watching a Hog game.

The thing is, all this crying about Kentucky from our fans...I would put several Big 12 teams up against this Kentucky team. Kentucky/Cal has a lot of success but it's not like they are winning the national championship every year. Am I mistaken or was this the 1st time a Cal coached Kentucky team beat the Hogs at home? I think a little bit more is made of their success than need be. They are not 100% unstoppable due to their recruiting practices like our fans try to make them out to be.

We'll see what happens when they play Kansas here in a few days. I think they will lose by 5-10 points maybe more.

Kentucky is certainly very beatable.  Some years more than others.  Their one lone championship in the Calipari years is proof of that.  The Razorbacks ability to put some losses on them the last few years is proof of that.

It's the awful plundering of talent Kentucky does through their one-and-done program that bothers me.

[ErieHog]

That also depends.  Your theory assumes that every hopeful one-and-done will just skip college to go pro.  Instead, I would think that just a few will actually be considered a sure thing and take the chance of making the jump.  As always, there will be those who get bad info and declare for the NBA when they shouldn't, but there will also be many who will decide to go to college and improve their chances.  Make them stay three years like they do in baseball and you have a much better product on the floor, i.e., we'd have Bobby Portis for one more year, Kentucky would still have the Harrison twins, etc.

Another item to address is the fallout of high schoolers who go pro, but shouldn't.  I know they are working on changes for the college players who declare to give them more time to decide to go back to college after the NBA combines.  They could extend this option to a handful of the top high school players, too.  But the details of that would be another discussion.

It doesn't, though.  It simply requires more to bypass college basketball than to stay locked into a system that denies them earnings for years--  which really isn't a risky prediction at all.

Likewise, there's no way to guarantee your system, even with an NBA given rule that excludes players from the NBA  who have agreed to play college ball;  the players would simply opt out for a non-NBA, but still paid alternative-- see the Euro leagues or China.

What we do know, without a doubt, is that college basketball would have less talent than it does now-  and that is never a good recipe for improving your product.

[Atlhogfan1]

UGa doesn't get one and dones.  Neither does Dayton.  Hogs can outrecruit these programs especially current rosters. 

[Hogimus Prime]

IMO it isn't the one and done thats causing college basketball's fall. The whole high schoolers going straight pro really started about 20 years ago, which is about the time AAU started to explode. With that came the handlers. It pushed the high school coaches out of the mix. The handler/hangerons got into the kid's ear and parents' ears telling these kids they could be the next Kobe or KG. The NBA started drafting different. Instead of focusing on what a kid was good at and what he was player wise, they started focusing more on potential. They were trying to catch lightening in a bottle again. It was the same franchises doing this over and over. Which is why, IMO, thr NBA wanted the one and done rule.

[MountieDawg]

The Big 12 plays quality basketball. I'm almost in the same boat you are but games in that conference are a lot of fun to watch. A lot of good, quality basketball players that actually play fundamentally sound. Night and day different from watching a Hog game.

The thing is, all this crying about Kentucky from our fans...I would put several Big 12 teams up against this Kentucky team. Kentucky/Cal has a lot of success but it's not like they are winning the national championship every year. Am I mistaken or was this the 1st time a Cal coached Kentucky team beat the Hogs at home? I think a little bit more is made of their success than need be. They are not 100% unstoppable due to their recruiting practices like our fans try to make them out to be.

We'll see what happens when they play Kansas here in a few days. I think they will lose by 5-10 points maybe more.

They have beat Duke and Louisville this year and what Big 12 team has four Final Fours in the past 5 years???

[Pork Twain]

I'm so sick of the Kentucky crap with the one and done players.  Time to reinstate the ability to go straight from high school to the pros.  Then if you choose to play in college, you can't get drafted for three years.  Baseball has it right.

As soon as they impose this rule, Calipari moves to the pros and Kentucky doesn't automatically sign a bunch of 5-stars each year who only plan to stay in college for one obligatory year.

Send the players who don't care about education on their way and quit wasting good scholarships on them.

Agree 100% as long as they kids have the opportunity to go straight out of high school