UA and Arkansas State

[HogasaurusRex]

What is the back story behind UA not playing A-state?  I grew up in Arkansas and have often wondered why.  I figured it might be an old bad blood thing in the Admin @ UA.  Is it that BigFrank just doesn't want to give legitamacy to them by playing them?  I currently live in Monroe la (home of ULM, only 8 more months thank GOD) and I go to see ULM vs. A-State when it is here.  I couldn't see UA ever loosing anyone to A-State in recruiting.  Why not just hang half a hundred on A-state each year instead of whippin ULM's A$$ in Little Rock?  I don't see many of our football or basketball players majoring in journalism/film and that's anout the extent of their major academic achievements in J-boro.  A-state to me is like the prettiest Waffle House waitress, when the dust settles they are still a Waffle House waitress!  I have NEVER heard of a kid wanting to grow up and be an Indian.  My Dad always said, shoot an Indian and kiss a Hog! :razorback:

[Hugehogsfan]

OH MY GOD PLEASE DON"T START THIS!

[HogasaurusRex]

OH MY GOD PLEASE DON"T START THIS!

It's legit, some of us didnt grow up in the know.  Seriously, what is the reason?

[HogISH™]

who cares?

HogISH

[ErieHog]

OH MY GOD PLEASE DON"T START THIS!

It's legit, some of us didnt grow up in the know.  Seriously, what is the reason?

Legitimacy.  There is only room for one, legitimate D-I team in Arkansas.  Arkansas holds that position currently-- any attempt to play ASU cannot end favorably for Arkansas.  If they win, they're supposed to, they have all the advantages; if they loose, the hold they have over a small population and talent base is weakened; publicity accrues to the conquering underdog.   

When one elevates ASU into the same discussion as Arkansas, Razorback athletics are instantaneously diminished.   Alas, even the attention I've paid them here is more than they deserve.

[Hugehogsfan]

I only say that because this debate will become boring and old quickly.  As long as Frank is the AD we will not be playing A-State unless the state congress mandates it and that ain't gonna happen. 

[LA HAWG]

I realize you are a newbie but crap.  We have been over this 1,000,000 times.  You remind me of Testis.

[ErieHog]

I only say that because this debate will become boring and old quickly.  As long as Frank is the AD we will not be playing A-State unless the state congress mandates it and that ain't gonna happen. 

State legislature.  No Congress in Arkansas

[bigredhogs]

We dont need to be playing a  school that 95 % of the state dont recognize.  What has ASU done to be worthy in playing the only legit D-1 school.

[HogasaurusRex]

who cares?

HogISH

How about this.  I do.  The only down side to this board is that the people w/a few hundred posts try and pull this "elitist" BS.  I could give a good Sh*t what the merits on the gridiron might be; I would like to know why we don't play them.  If you dont know or would not like to opine, then dont post.  Nothing personal, but it is REALLY lame to waste 30-40 threads on LB's moving to FB when we all know that the coaches move them where they need them whether it's stupid to posters or not.

[bigredhogs]

Most Razorbacks fans dont care about playing ASU so why play them.

[HogasaurusRex]

OH MY GOD PLEASE DON"T START THIS!

It's legit, some of us didnt grow up in the know.  Seriously, what is the reason?

Thank you!  all of those seem like legit reasons. 

Legitimacy.  There is only room for one, legitimate D-I team in Arkansas.  Arkansas holds that position currently-- any attempt to play ASU cannot end favorably for Arkansas.  If they win, they're supposed to, they have all the advantages; if they loose, the hold they have over a small population and talent base is weakened; publicity accrues to the conquering underdog.   

When one elevates ASU into the same discussion as Arkansas, Razorback athletics are instantaneously diminished.   Alas, even the attention I've paid them here is more than they deserve.

[Hugehogsfan]

Well I tried to warn you about this.  Some of the hog fans out there don't feel like there should be any talk about A-state.  One day we will play them and it will be a mute point, but right now it ain't gonna happen. 

[ErieHog]

Well I tried to warn you about this.  Some of the hog fans out there don't feel like there should be any talk about A-state.  One day we will play them and it will be a mute point, but right now it ain't gonna happen. 

Moot;  but hey, everyone has a Joey Tribione moment or two.

[Choctaw Hog]

we don't want to!  End of story!  Why doesn't ASU play Hendrix College?  Because they don't want to!  You can't play everybody!

[hawk13]

Hay Hoophog,

When did Hendrix get a Football Team?  You are a alum can you get us 50 yard line tickets?  Who will the play?

WOW

[Choctaw Hog]

Nonetheless, it make the point that is makes as much sense for ASU to play an non-existence team as it does for the Hogs to play ASU.

[HogISH™]

Nonetheless, it make the point that is makes as much sense for ASU to play an non-existence team as it does for the Hogs to play ASU.

sorry, missed the point. where were we talking about again?

HogISH

[ConwayHog]

I only say that because this debate will become boring and old quickly.  As long as Frank is the AD we will not be playing A-State unless the state congress mandates it and that ain't gonna happen. 

Don't tell John McCain.

He'll be putting a new length limit for drivers on the PGA Tour next week.

[doo-ran]

Hay Hoophog,

When did Hendrix get a Football Team?  You are a alum can you get us 50 yard line tickets?  Who will the play?

WOW

FYI- Hendrix has been undefeated in football since the 1920's...

[BirmingHam]

Well, if we do play ASWho, we should play them in Fayettenam.  In fact, we should move all the games to Fayettenam.  Why are we still playing games in LR?  Inquiring minds want to know!









And yes, I do know the reasons.  But, UA vs ASWho, and the GSD are the 2 longest feuds and the most boring that have trangressed the Ark Sports boards.  Oh yeah, and fire Nutt, hire Butch!

[pioneerbasketball]

Trash Can.

[jwaldhog]

Trash Can.

PLEASE...  He got his answer, let this go in peace QUICKLY

[Michaelt]

What has ASU done to be worthy in playing the only legit D-1 school.

Hmm, if memory serves, they went to a bowl game last year??

[Hugehogsfan]

Please trash this debate.  When things change in this world then we can bring this back up, but it is fruitless to discuss right now. 

[Michaelt]

who cares?

HogISH

How about this.  I do.  The only down side to this board is that the people w/a few hundred posts try and pull this "elitist" BS.  I could give a good Sh*t what the merits on the gridiron might be; I would like to know why we don't play them.  If you dont know or would not like to opine, then dont post.  Nothing personal, but it is REALLY lame to waste 30-40 threads on LB's moving to FB when we all know that the coaches move them where they need them whether it's stupid to posters or not.

I'm actually one of the few who wouldn't mind seeing a UA-ASU meeting to start the year out. I'm not sure of all the reasonings behind not playing them, other than some of the more leveling reasons, but I think it'd be fun. And why not play every year in Little Rock, instead of playing Louisiana Monroe (or whichever school it was) and letting them be the home team, in OUR stadium?

I think it'd be something that could become fun if given the opportunity.

[hogfan064]

I'm for playing them.  It won't hurt Arkansas like some think.  Does it hurt LSU to open with ULL?  South Carolina will play SC State, Furman, The Citadel, and Wofford the next 4 seasons.  Tennessee plays Memphis.   I say expand WMS to 70,000 and play the game in Little Rock each year.  We'll win 95% of the time and if they do beat us it will be a horrible loss in the likes of The Citadel and SMU.   Playing ASU makes much more sense than ULM. 

[doo-ran]

I'm for playing them.  It won't hurt Arkansas like some think.  Does it hurt LSU to open with ULL?  South Carolina will play SC State, Furman, The Citadel, and Wofford the next 4 seasons.  Tennessee plays Memphis.   I say expand WMS to 70,000 and play the game in Little Rock each year.  We'll win 95% of the time and if they do beat us it will be a horrible loss in the likes of The Citadel and SMU.   Playing ASU makes much more sense than ULM. 
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I'm for playing them.  It won't hurt Arkansas like some think.  Does it hurt LSU to open with ULL?  South Carolina will play SC State, Furman, The Citadel, and Wofford the next 4 seasons.  Tennessee plays Memphis.   I say expand WMS to 70,000 and play the game in Little Rock each year.  We'll win 95% of the time and if they do beat us it will be a horrible loss in the likes of The Citadel and SMU.   Playing ASU makes much more sense than ULM. 

Good Point...Also don't forget Clemson and South Carolina

[Alkehog]

Funny!

Well, if we do play ASWho, we should play them in Fayettenam.  In fact, we should move all the games to Fayettenam.  Why are we still playing games in LR?  Inquiring minds want to know! quote]

[nwarazfan]

I'm for playing them.  It won't hurt Arkansas like some think.  Does it hurt LSU to open with ULL?  South Carolina will play SC State, Furman, The Citadel, and Wofford the next 4 seasons.  Tennessee plays Memphis.   I say expand WMS to 70,000 and play the game in Little Rock each year.  We'll win 95% of the time and if they do beat us it will be a horrible loss in the likes of The Citadel and SMU.   Playing ASU makes much more sense than ULM. 

I'm against playing them because it pi**es them off to no end for us to ignore them. 

We wouldn't be hurt so much by it nowadays.  ASU is the one that can't have support divided as many in that part of the state support both athl dept's.  And ASU also now has to worry about UCA wanting to step up.  That small core of their idiot fans that don't know how to act with any class would end up causing that split support to go mostly the Hogs way thus reducing their already paltry finances even more. 

[stAtefan]

I can understand the argument about not wanting to split instate talent

but look at West Virginia and Marshall.

Don't tell me WV has more instate talent than Arkansas.

[jwaldhog]

The real question is when will ASU and UCA play every year?  UCA gave them all they wanted when they were still D2

[hogfan064]

I'm for playing them.  It won't hurt Arkansas like some think.  Does it hurt LSU to open with ULL?  South Carolina will play SC State, Furman, The Citadel, and Wofford the next 4 seasons.  Tennessee plays Memphis.   I say expand WMS to 70,000 and play the game in Little Rock each year.  We'll win 95% of the time and if they do beat us it will be a horrible loss in the likes of The Citadel and SMU.   Playing ASU makes much more sense than ULM. 

I'm against playing them because it pi**es them off to no end for us to ignore them. 

We wouldn't be hurt so much by it nowadays.  ASU is the one that can't have support divided as many in that part of the state support both athl dept's.  And ASU also now has to worry about UCA wanting to step up.  That small core of their idiot fans that don't know how to act with any class would end up causing that split support to go mostly the Hogs way thus reducing their already paltry finances even more. 

No, what would piss them off is if we played UAPB.  Hey why doesn't Arkansas play UAPB?

[hogfan064]

I can understand the argument about not wanting to split instate talent

but look at West Virginia and Marshall.

Don't tell me WV has more instate talent than Arkansas.

It would never split instate talent.  LSU and ULL aren't competing for the same instate talent and neither will ASU and Arkansas.  The only way that ASU would ever steal a recruit away from Arkansas is if that recruit had parents that were bigtime ASU boosters

[stAtefan]

We will play UCA as soon as they will count toward our bowl eligibility.

[bigred7987]

Same reason vandy shouldn't have played MTSU this year...that is their bowl game, and Ark has nothing to gain from it.  Vandy lost the last two games to MTSU and they didn't qualify for a bowl game because of it one year...doesn't help anything

[stAtefan]

I can understand the argument about not wanting to split instate talent

but look at West Virginia and Marshall.

Don't tell me WV has more instate talent than Arkansas.

It would never split instate talent.  LSU and ULL aren't competing for the same instate talent and neither will ASU and Arkansas.  The only way that ASU would ever steal a recruit away from Arkansas is if that recruit had parents that were bigtime ASU boosters

I agree with you, but that whole "don't want to split up instate talent" line is inevitably brought up by a Razorback fan every time this topic is posted.

I feel like ASU would have to win about 8 in a row to ever threaten Arkansas in recruiting.

[stAtefan]

Same reason vandy shouldn't have played MTSU this year...that is their bowl game, and Ark has nothing to gain from it.  Vandy lost the last two games to MTSU and they didn't qualify for a bowl game because of it one year...doesn't help anything

If you are comparing the Razorbacks to Vandy, that doesn't speak well for your confidence in the Hog's program.

[hogfan064]

Same reason vandy shouldn't have played MTSU this year...that is their bowl game, and Ark has nothing to gain from it.  Vandy lost the last two games to MTSU and they didn't qualify for a bowl game because of it one year...doesn't help anything

And we're not ULM's bowl game? Playing ULM isn't helping us.

[hogfan064]

I can understand the argument about not wanting to split instate talent

but look at West Virginia and Marshall.

Don't tell me WV has more instate talent than Arkansas.

It would never split instate talent.  LSU and ULL aren't competing for the same instate talent and neither will ASU and Arkansas.  The only way that ASU would ever steal a recruit away from Arkansas is if that recruit had parents that were bigtime ASU boosters

I agree with you, but that whole "don't want to split up instate talent" line is inevitably brought up by a Razorback fan every time this topic is posted.

I feel like ASU would have to win about 8 in a row to ever threaten Arkansas in recruiting.

Some Hog fans make that arguement, but you won't ever hear it from me.  It makes no sense.  It would take a couple generations for ASU to ever become the #1 team in this state.  ASU just doesn't have the resources to make it happen.  Bigtime recruits don't go to the Sunbelt to play infront of 15,000 fans. 

[stAtefan]

Your definetly right.  If ASU stays in the Sun Belt and the Sun Belt stays at the bottom of D1 football then Arkansas would always be able to recruit over ASU.
I would like to see "the game" played, but i don't lose any sleep over it not happening.  I just enjoy watching Razorback fans make up reasons why the game is such a HORRIBLE idea.

[hogfan064]

I'm shocked this topic last in MMQB this long

[stAtefan]

Why do these threads always go to the Trash Can and not to General Sports?

[Rooka]

simple, it's about ASU instead of the Hogs. It is called hogville. (PS I am indian fan too)

[stAtefan]

simple, it's about ASU instead of the Hogs. It is called hogville. (PS I am indian fan too)

I'm glad your a fan!!
So who do you think we will start at QB?  I think Hewitt.

And also I am not trying to be a smartass at all but this topic is about both UA and ASU.  Regardless, General sports is for "Non-Razorback related takes"  I just wondered if I started posting ASU related topics under General Sports if they would all be sent to the trashcan?
This is a serious question, no ill-will intended to anyone.

[hogfan064]

simple, it's about ASU instead of the Hogs. It is called hogville. (PS I am indian fan too)

I'm glad your a fan!!
So who do you think we will start at QB?  I think Hewitt.

And also I am not trying to be a smartass at all but this topic is about both UA and ASU.  Regardless, General sports is for "Non-Razorback related takes"  I just wondered if I started posting ASU related topics under General Sports if they would all be sent to the trashcan?
This is a serious question, no ill-will intended to anyone.

I don't think all ASU topics get moved here just this one topic.  The reason it is moved to the can is because it has been asked 1,000 times on this board.  If someone really wanted to talk about this then do it on one of those thread.  That's the reasoning.  I have nothing against ASU and pull for them.  That doesn't mean I'm a fan, but I like to see them do well

[stAtefan]

I understand.  This topic comes up alot on our board as well.
I'm glad that you pull for the Indians.  I go to school at UofA so I keep up with the Hogs as well as my Indians.

[ErieHog]

I can understand the argument about not wanting to split instate talent

but look at West Virginia and Marshall.

Don't tell me WV has more instate talent than Arkansas.

It would never split instate talent.  LSU and ULL aren't competing for the same instate talent and neither will ASU and Arkansas.  The only way that ASU would ever steal a recruit away from Arkansas is if that recruit had parents that were bigtime ASU boosters

I agree with you, but that whole "don't want to split up instate talent" line is inevitably brought up by a Razorback fan every time this topic is posted.

I feel like ASU would have to win about 8 in a row to ever threaten Arkansas in recruiting.

To usurp the top spot, certainly-- I don't think that even a 10 game streak would do that-- but what it would do is undermine the ability of Arkansas to compete against  SEC foes for players, and could cause key in-staters to have a viable 2nd option.    Arkansas doesn't have to loose out on the majority of kids to ASU, for it to have a vastly negative impact.  One lost recruit at a position where Arkansas doesn't have returning depth, can be the difference between being competitive in the SEC, and being Ole Miss.

[HogasaurusRex]

Same reason vandy shouldn't have played MTSU this year...that is their bowl game, and Ark has nothing to gain from it.  Vandy lost the last two games to MTSU and they didn't qualify for a bowl game because of it one year...doesn't help anything

darned good point!  I know for a FACT that the game in Little Rock is the highlight of most of their year. 

That being said I would like to publicly apologize to anyone that I offended in titling this post UA vs. Autism State.  Some times my fingers engage before my mind does and I'm sorry for my insensitivity. (no sarcasm intended)

And we're not ULM's bowl game? Playing ULM isn't helping us.

[Big Papa Satan]

Here's a post from Fearless Friday that epitomizes the mentality of many ASU fans:

Since a lot of you won't listen to what us ASU fans have to say I will say it for you in my last post on this board ever. And no I wont even be looking at how you dumb hog fans reply to this. Frank Broyles sucks butt. He is an old man that needs to die. Ok Miami a national title contender isn't scared to play Florida International. Texas A&M plays Texas State (D-1AA). Tennessee plays Middle Tennessee State. West Virginia plays Marshall. Arkansas isn't any where near the prestige of these programs. Plain and simple Arkansas is scared of ASU why else wouldn't you play us. All you fans that say you have nothing to gain by playing us well ask your self this. What do you gain by playing UL - Monroe, Utah State, and Southeast Missouri State. Are you bitter because you had to sit at home and watch us play in a bowl. You poor pigglets you'll never understand. I would run scared from Arkansas State to. I'm just saying what all the other ASU fans are scared to say. Because you drunk hog fans beat them up to the point where they stay in their own part of the board. Screw the U OF A and screw the Hogs fans. To me pigglet nation is dead. I'm just going to pretend you guys don't exist eather. HOGS = Suck ASU = Greatness. Now I'm tired of playing with you 16 year old dorks. HOW LONG WILL THE HOGS RUN!!! Go stAte Arkansas only bowl bound team.