Mike Norvell - by the numbers

[Hawg Life]

Charlie's floor is decent but his ceiling isnt anywhere near Norvell's.

I agree.. Hire Norvell Now!!

[Pig in the Pokey]

frost is a can't miss. norvell isnt, but, he still has a championship level ceiling, tho, and he'd stay at arkansas after he began winning here, too. Plus his Texas ties.

[#1 STUNNA]

Haha, I got a little hyperbolic there.  But yeah, I do think it's relevant.  UCF plays defense.  Memphis does not. 

UCF also has a better offense.

wonder how memphis defense would be if it didnt lose 6 starters to season ending injuries?

[The Hawg Marshal]

Well, I'm obviously going to look at them head-to-head.  Norvell also stepped into a much better situation than Frost.

That's debatable. O Leary had a pretty good run at UCF . They won 31 games from 2012 -2014 and won a BCS  Bowl(Fiesta)before the wheels came off in 2015. Frost has done a great job but UCF was on pretty good footing when he took over. Memphis won 31 games between 2009 and 2015. UCF was the better situation.

[Hawg Life]

Haha, I got a little hyperbolic there.  But yeah, I do think it's relevant.  UCF plays defense.  Memphis does not. 

UCF also has a better offense.

Memphis is all freshmen and a couple of sophomores on Defense due to injuries. It's easier to recruit offense than defense, and I think in a couple of classes the defense will catch up to the offense. Norvell signed the highest ranked class in Memphis history 48 spots higher than Fuente. Norvell will kill it here!!

[#1 STUNNA]

Memphis is all freshmen and a couple of sophomores on Defense due to injuries. It's easier to recruit offense than defense, and I think in a couple of classes the defense will catch up to the offense. Norvell signed the highest ranked class in Memphis history 48 spots higher than Fuente. Norvell will kill it here!!

oh yea.. and he wants to be here... and oh yea he is a realistic option!!! lol

[hogfansince79]

That's debatable. O Leary had a pretty good run at UCF . They won 31 games from 2012 -2014 and won a BCS  Bowl(Fiesta)before the wheels came off in 2015. Frost has done a great job but UCF was on pretty good footing when he took over. Memphis won 31 games between 2009 and 2015. UCF was the better situation.

Wow... freaking facts are your friend.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Memphis is all freshmen and a couple of sophomores on Defense due to injuries. It's easier to recruit offense than defense, and I think in a couple of classes the defense will catch up to the offense. Norvell signed the highest ranked class in Memphis history 48 spots higher than Fuente. Norvell will kill it here!!

he'd have one thing we've never had- a huge recruiting presence in north mississippi and western tennessee to go along with a huge return in texas and a lockdown of arkansas. WOO PIG.

[hogfooey]

That's debatable. O Leary had a pretty good run at UCF . They won 31 games from 2012 -2014 and won a BCS  Bowl(Fiesta)before the wheels came off in 2015. Frost has done a great job but UCF was on pretty good footing when he took over. Memphis won 31 games between 2009 and 2015. UCF was the better situation.

They were 0-12 when Frost took over.  The footing was not good.

[Hawginj]

Haha, I got a little hyperbolic there.  But yeah, I do think it's relevant.  UCF plays defense.  Memphis does not. 

UCF also has a better offense.

I like Frost just dont think we'll contact him since it has to be an Arkansas guy and if so i have my pick .m

[The Hawg Marshal]

They were 0-12 when Frost took over.  The footing was not good.

I acknowledged that the wheels came off in 2015. But if you cant' see the difference in a team that had won a BCS bowl game and the Memphis situation then you just don't want to.

[#1 STUNNA]

If everything about both of them is about evenly matched... I would take the one that wants to be here and stay here.

[The Kig]

On the flip side... Scott Frost.

Scoring offense:
1.  UCF  - 48.6 ppg

Scoring defense
29. UCF - 20.7 ppg

If Florida and Nebraska screw up and don't hire him, we have to get him.

Frost is a heck of a coach... and I agree.  However, I don't see BOTH Florida and Nebraska passing on him.  The very fact that he is on the board should have Nebraska throwing money at him.  Haven't had him high on my list simply because I don't think he will still be on the board if we whiff on Gus and Norvell is already gone. 

[The Kig]

wonder how memphis defense would be if it didnt lose 6 starters to season ending injuries?

Same could be said for any team... including Arkansas. 

[The Hawg Marshal]

Frost is a heck of a coach... and I agree.  However, I don't see BOTH Florida and Nebraska passing on him.  The very fact that he is on the board should have Nebraska throwing money at him.  Haven't had him high on my list simply because I don't think he will still be on the board if we whiff on Gus and Norvell is already gone. 

I think Frost is a great coach and we'd be lucky to have him. And I'm like you I have just always figured he was a Nebraska lock. We'll see.

[Wildhog]

That's right... he had Paxton Lynch (8800 yds and 59 tds) as his starting quarterback - uummm - oh wait...

Huh?  He still stepped into a better situation than Frost.

[Wildhog]

Frost is a heck of a coach... and I agree.  However, I don't see BOTH Florida and Nebraska passing on him.  The very fact that he is on the board should have Nebraska throwing money at him.  Haven't had him high on my list simply because I don't think he will still be on the board if we whiff on Gus and Norvell is already gone. 

For all we know he may have no interest in the Nebraska job.  But he certainly might.  I think you have to make him say no.

[Wildhog]

I acknowledged that the wheels came off in 2015. But if you cant' see the difference in a team that had won a BCS bowl game and the Memphis situation then you just don't want to.

Arkansas went 21-5 the two years prior to JLS.  Were we a good situation in 2013?

[Wildhog]

wonder how memphis defense would be if it didnt lose 6 starters to season ending injuries?

Maybe they would have only lost by three touchdowns to UCF.

[The Hawg Marshal]

Arkansas went 21-5 the two years prior to JLS.  Were we a good situation in 2013?

Who knows. We might have been with the right coach.

[Kevin]

he would bring an exciting offense

[Wildhog]

Who knows. We might have been with the right coach.

The football program was in shambles by all accounts.

[Wildhog]

Just to be clear, I'd be fine with Norvell.  I'd just rather take a swing at Frost first.

[hogfansince79]

Huh?  He still stepped into a better situation than Frost.

I did not say he didn't... what I'm saying is there is a lot more to consider than just win-lost record.

For the record, Frost would be a helluva hire.

[The Hawg Marshal]

The football program was in shambles by all accounts.

We'll never know what might have happened we were ranked 8th in the pre season polls , so it wasn't in shambles by ALL accounts.. Look I'm in the Norvell camp, but I'm willing to admit that there are other coaches out there that would be good hires. Frost , Campbell and yes Gus among others. But dragging down Norvell is just dumb to me. He would be a good hire also and I'd hate to see him at Ole Miss.

[Wildhog]

We'll never know what might have happened we were ranked 8th in the pre season polls , so it wasn't in shambles by ALL accounts.. Look I'm in the Norvell camp, but I'm willing to admit that there are other coaches out there that would be good hires. Frost , Campbell and yes Gus among others. But dragging down Norvell is just dumb to me. He would be a good hire also and I'd hate to see him at Ole Miss.

I said 2013, CBB's first year.

And I'm not putting Norvell down.  I think he's got a lot of upside.  I'd be fine if he was the guy.  He's just not #1 on my list, which means absolutely nothing.

[The Hawg Marshal]

I said 2013, CBB's first year.

And I'm not putting Norvell down.  I think he's got a lot of upside.  I'd be fine if he was the guy.  He's just not #1 on my list, which means absolutely nothing.

OK my bad on getting the years mixed up. I think we are actually pretty much in agreement. WPS

[rljjr]

If I had to put them in order I would go Norvell, Frost, Malzahn. I just think Norvell has a lot of potential to get it done.

[#1 STUNNA]

I think both could get the job done! I am more for Norvell only because he wants to be here! But i do wonder who the better recruiter is? Have have recruited about the same.. wonder if its harder to recruit to Orlando or Memphis!!!

[Wildhog]

I think both could get the job done! I am more for Norvell only because he wants to be here! But i do wonder who the better recruiter is? Have have recruited about the same.. wonder if its harder to recruit to Orlando or Memphis!!!

Arkansas is going to be in the 20-35 range, regardless.  We have to find someone that can do more with less.

Maybe they both can?  Idk.  It's all a crap shoot, anyway.

[The Kig]

If I had to put them in order I would go Norvell, Frost, Malzahn. I just think Norvell has a lot of potential to get it done.

If they are all in play for Arkansas, then that would be my top 3 as well.  Order would be a bit different though... Malzahn, Frost, Norvell.   A case can be made for any of the 3 to succeed here, so my only concern is that we screw it up and end up with none of them.  Don't want an LSU situation...we can't afford to miss this time around or we really do run a chance of being relegated to perennial cellar dwellers. 

[Wildhog]

we can't afford to miss this time around or we really do run a chance of being relegated to perennial cellar dwellers. 

Totally agree.

[jgphillips3]

I hope we get Norvell.  I feel this is the best upside hire we can make.  Sure, he could be a bust...but he just might be great and it wouldn't be hard to fire him if he is a bust, unlike Gus or someone more prominent.

[Wildhog]

I hope we get Norvell.  I feel this is the best upside hire we can make.  Sure, he could be a bust...but he just might be great and it wouldn't be hard to fire him if he is a bust, unlike Gus or someone more prominent.

That's my biggest concern with Gus.  If he doesn't work out, it will be damn near impossible to get rid of him.

[#1 STUNNA]

Arkansas is going to be in the 20-35 range, regardless.  We have to find someone that can do more with less.

Maybe they both can?  Idk.  It's all a crap shoot, anyway.

I think both run a system that would be effective for the in state talent that they could bring in! Would love to see Burks in either one of their systems. I think Burks, Henry, and Bentonville kid would all be hogs with either coach.

[The Hawg Marshal]

I've noticed since Long was fired the Les Miles talk has almost totally stopped. I'm happy about that.

[Wildhog]

I think both run a system that would be effective for the in state talent that they could bring in! Would love to see Burks in either one of their systems. I think Burks, Henry, and Bentonville kid would all be hogs with either coach.

I love both of their offenses, so I definitely agree with that.  Kelley, Hammonds, Hayden, Warren, Martin, Stewart...  Fix the OL and we will be ROLLING.

[Wildhog]

I've noticed since Long was fired the Les Miles talk has almost totally stopped. I'm happy about that.

COSIGN

[The Hawg Marshal]

I'd love to get a coach that would utilize the talent that we have correctly.

[HF#1]

I wish we would move more towards the defensive side of the ball. We haven't had a good defense in a long long time. Good OC's are easy to find now a days.  Hell, go get Venables and keep Enos on staff.

[Hawginj]

I wish we would move more towards the defensive side of the ball. We haven't had a good defense in a long long time. Good OC's are easy to find now a days.  Hell, go get Venables and keep Enos on staff.

BB is a defensive guy not that it helped any. Venables is a heck of a coach.

[HF#1]

BB is a defensive guy not that it helped any. Venables is a heck of a coach.

Bielema couldn't hold Venables jock when it comes to defense. I'm not sure I would insult defensive football by saying Bielema is a defensive coach.

[Hawginj]

Bielema couldn't hold Venables jock when it comes to defense. I'm not sure I would insult defensive football by saying Bielema is a defensive coach.

I agree on all points but he was held in high regard at one time.

[Batesville Hogfan]

First time head coach in only his second year who took over an already successful program.  That would be a very risky hire. Why not get a guy who either turned a loser into a winner or has been successful for 5+ years. Norvell could be Stan Heath 2.0

[#1 STUNNA]

First time head coach in only his second year who took over an already successful program.  That would be a very risky hire. Why not get a guy who either turned a loser into a winner or has been successful for 5+ years. Norvell could be Stan Heath 2.0

Maybe we should re hire Brett Bielema!!! He has been successful at Wisconsin and won 3 big 10 titles... lol... coaching is hit or miss... a lot of good coaches out their that didn't have much head coaching experience that have done very well.. also a lot of coaches with a lot of experience have went to new places and sucked.

[Pig in the Pokey]

I said 2013, CBB's first year.

And I'm not putting Norvell down.  I think he's got a lot of upside.  I'd be fine if he was the guy.  He's just not #1 on my list, which means absolutely nothing.

that team had like 10 pros on it.

[Wildhog]

that team had like 10 pros on it.

Also had a lot of problems in the locker room.   He had a lot of cleaning up to do when he got here.  That's all well-documented.

And that's not a defense of CBB in any way.  He STILL underachieved in 2013, lol.

[pigmania]

After a couple of years as HC, everyone said Gus wasn't ready and hasn't been doing it long enough. Norvell has been a HC 1.5 years and all of you act like he's the coming messiah. Hogville is literally full of retards behind a keyboard.

[Grizzlyfan]

Well, I'm obviously going to look at them head-to-head.  Norvell also stepped into a much better situation than Frost.

The stepped into thing might be true.  But one year of recruiting to UCF gives a coach an immediate advantage over a coach at Memphis.  The state of Florida got the players.

[GoHogs1091]

Norvell would be a risky hire.

Butch Jones is an example of what can happen by hiring a Head Coach out of a Mid-Major conference.

Bielema could also be an example.  It could be argued that the Mediocre 10 Conference is a Mid-Major conference.