Once and for all on Byers

[onebadrubi]

This makes no sense to the conversation about player eligibility. The eligibility standards in HS and the enrollment qualifications in college have nothing to do with AP classes, and everything thing to do with just making minimum requirements.

The only way a student can score above a 4.0 is to take college level classes in HS. If you think the classes themselves are a joke, you should go sit is a AP algebra class then go sit in the regular hs algebra class. You will see the difference in about a minute.

ID rather read Robert Shields every day.

[Piggfoot]

This makes no sense to the conversation about player eligibility. The eligibility standards in HS and the enrollment qualifications in college have nothing to do with AP classes, and everything thing to do with just making minimum requirements.

The only way a student can score above a 4.0 is to take college level classes in HS. If you think the classes themselves are a joke, you should go sit is a AP algebra class then go sit in the regular hs algebra class. You will see the difference in about a minute.

I'm sure they are diferent. My point is in my day there was Algebra 1 and Algebra II. I suspect regular Algebra has been dumbed down.

[ricepig]

I'm sure they are diferent. My point is in my day there was Algebra 1 and Algebra II. I suspect regular Algebra has been dumbed down.

There still is, my kids took it in 8th and 9th grade, the same course you took in high school, and it was pre-AP which was harder than regular Algebra.

[rhames]

There still is, my kids took it in 8th and 9th grade, the same course you took in high school, and it was pre-AP which was harder than regular Algebra.

This is correct.  The only ap math class you can take for college credit is ap calculas.



Classes are not a joke and you have to take the ap test to get the weighted grade.



Hardest class I've ever take, well one of them, was AP US history.

[ricepig]

This is correct.  The only ap math class you can take for college credit is ap calculas.



Classes are not a joke and you have to take the ap test to get the weighted grade.



Hardest class I've ever take, well one of them, was AP US history.

Yeah, mine took AP Calculus, while some of their friends took "College Algebra" from their college credit.

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

Seems like he's missing the good old days and decided to take it out on you guys

[songofthesword]

I took all ap courses at mills in h.s. irs 5.0 4.0 3.0 2.0 0.0


Ap art history is still the toughest class I've ever taken on any level. Lol regular art history is bad enough. Man I was light years ahead of everyone else in my class until about the end of my sophomore year

[ricepig]

I took all ap courses at mills in h.s. irs 5.0 4.0 3.0 2.0 0.0

Mr. Blutarsky.....0.0........

[Piggfoot]

You guys may find this interesting. My grandfather only had an eighth grade education.
http://www.infowars.com/newly-discovered-eighth-grade-exam-from-1912-shows-how-dumbed-down-america-has-become/ to be honest I don't think I could pass.

[RaisinHog]

People taking.the AP classes are not the ones haveing trouble with grades

[PonderinHog]

You guys may find this interesting. My grandfather only had an eighth grade education.
http://www.infowars.com/newly-discovered-eighth-grade-exam-from-1912-shows-how-dumbed-down-america-has-become/ to be honest I don't think I could pass.

They hadn't invented the pass then, had they

[Youngsta71701]

Bama has withdrawn their offer.  It was a few days ago but now has leaked.

Everyone doubting the Hogs non-recruitment can now relax.  Not everything is in the public eye.

Let's wish this Arkansas product Byers well with his next step.

Good luck to the young man. I hope he gets everything in order that he needs to and comes home. We sure could use him and it seems like he could use us. WooPig!! :razorback:

BTW some JUCO is going to get one hell of talent!

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https://twitter.com/4029AJ/status/826130840954482688

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https://twitter.com/ChrisKirschner/status/826133681572020226

[Inhogswetrust]

ID rather read Robert Shields every day.

Speaking of low standards..........

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https://twitter.com/5NEWSBobby/status/826126449077841920

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https://twitter.com/TDALMAGKunz/status/826136621200396288

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https://twitter.com/DannyWest1/status/826133426885517312

[tophawg19]

https://twitter.com/TDALMAGKunz/status/826136621200396288

Satan placed him close to Bama,and that Juco gets two years of a star player in return. What Juco wouldn't want to be the farm team for Bama . I did think he might go Prep For 1 year and then to Bama .Be interesting to see if he redshirts the first year so he would have 3 to play 3

[jdelo77]

I said this the other day , Saban isn't dumb ...he knew he wouldn't qualify ! Now if he doesn't make it Saban wastes no Scholly or roster spot ...

[hogsanity]

I said this the other day , Saban isn't dumb ...he knew he wouldn't qualify ! Now if he doesn't make it Saban wastes no Scholly or roster spot ...

And has no guarantee that he will go to Bama after 2 years, or if Bama will even still want him. There was no benefit to offering him at all if it was clear he wasn't going to qualify.

[FANONTHEHILL]

Satan placed him close to Ba ma,and that Juco gets two years of a star player in return. What Juco wouldn't want to be the farm team for Bama . I did think he might go Prep For 1 year and then to Bama .Be interesting to see if he redshirts the first year so he would have 3 to play 3

That JUCO is also apparently a farm team for Arkansas as well. Receivers Brandon Martin and Jonathon Nance are in this years class.

[Youngsta71701]

And has no guarantee that he will go to Bama after 2 years, or if Bama will even still want him. There was no benefit to offering him at all if it was clear he wasn't going to qualify.

The benefit is letting him know how much you want him.

[Vantage 8 dude]

The benefit is letting him know how much you want him.

And still absolutely no guarantee(s) about where he eventually ends.

[ricepig]

And still absolutely no guarantee(s) about where he eventually ends.

Why, Bama in January of 2018. He's going to get 60hrs of credits in two summer terms and the fall semester, I guess??

[Nosboar Accubond]

Too many if's and maybe's to make it worth the time and effort. Imagine we do all that an he JUCO transfers to another school. Everyone would be calling bielema an idiot. Its a lose-lose situation for him

I'm sure telling the media he had no idea why he wasn't offered and that he would be bitter about if it did come didn't help his chances...

[oldfart]

Why are AP classes a joke? They have nothing to do with player eligibility. AP classes are good for those who want to take harder classes, and they often qualify as college credit.

AP courses are far from a joke....   and great for kids who put out the extra effort in them.. my daughter started college with 36 credit hours from AP classes

[LZH]

First, AP classes are based on a 5.0 point scale because they are college level classes.  They are only offered in certain subjects, so the idea that anyone is graduating HS with a 6.0 GPA is total nonsense.  You might see some high school valedictorians with a 4.25 GPA or so, but its not going to get much higher than that because the majority of your classes don't have AP variants. 

Second, AP classes are an excellent way for kids to get a head start on college.  I graduated HS over 10 years ago (I'm sure the AP curriculum has expanded in the last decade plus), but even at that point I had 27 hours of college credit before I ever stepped foot on campus at the UofA thanks to taking AP classes, college classes offered in HS, etc.

Yep. My babygirl is in her 4th semester on the hill but because of the AP classes she took in high school, she is technically a junior already.

[hawgfan4life]

You and I are evidently old school. I don't remember the  required average average in my day but I believe it was a 2.00. Our tops was a 4.00. Today I understand it is a 6.00 because of so called AP courses which are a joke.
Our educational system is failing our students allowing them play and not pass their core subjects. It's been going on a long time. The "great" Shabazz was a prime example.

Education system isn't the problem.  There are already rules in place that prevents eligibility if an athlete isn't passing at least 4 core classes with a 2.0 GPA.  If a kid is playing while ineligible, there are individuals failing.  Has nothing to do with the system.  For every cheating douchebag, there are hundreds of students, parents, teachers, coaches, and schools that make up the education system doing everything right.

[hawgfan4life]

The benefit is letting him know how much you want him.

BB cried like a baby while visiting the kid saying over and over how much he wished he was eligible so he could offer.  Profusely told him he still wants him the second he becomes eligible at junior college.  Coach was so emotional the player had to console him.

Never offered, yet still demonstrated how much he wanted him.  Very beautiful moment.

[FANONTHEHILL]

There is a hole in the system.  Read pages 48-49.

http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/2014-15_AAA_Handbook.pdf

Players that fall below 2.0 go into SIP (Supplemental Instruction Program).  They have one semester to show a 0.1 improvement and two semesters to get back to a 2.0.  Here's the catch.  If an athlete is registered in Special Education
Rule 11 (D), there is no minimum GPA requirement.  I'm not sure how Byers was classified, but other players have been eligible by AAA rules, but were nowhere close to being college ready.   

[Youngsta71701]

BB cried like a baby while visiting the kid saying over and over how much he wished he was eligible so he could offer.  Profusely told him he still wants him the second he becomes eligible at junior college.  Coach was so emotional the player had to console him.

Never offered, yet still demonstrated how much he wanted him.  Very beautiful moment.

Now this is what I like to hear. Maybe he'll remember that moment and come calling the Hogs when he qualifies.

[Youngsta71701]

And still absolutely no guarantee(s) about where he eventually ends.

Nothing in recruiting is guaranteed. Still gotta put it out there. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

[Youngsta71701]

AP courses are far from a joke....   and great for kids who put out the extra effort in them.. my daughter started college with 36 credit hours from AP classes

If your kid is smart enough to do it and plans on going to college, AP courses are the way to go. If you make a C in and AP course it's looked at as an B. If you make a B in an AP course it's looked at as a A. And if you make an A in a AP course there's no reason to explain anything. You have no idea how good that looks to a college. Colleges will start recruiting you to come to their school.

[ricepig]

If your kid is smart enough to do it and plans on going to college, AP courses are the way to go. If you make a C in and AP course it's looked at as an B. If you make a B in an AP course it's looked at as a A. And if you make an A in a AP course there's no reason to explain anything. You have no idea how good that looks to a college. Colleges will start recruiting you to come to their school.

Not really, but it doesn't hurt.

[Youngsta71701]

Not really, but it doesn't hurt.

I have a kid going trough this right now. I'm just telling you the feedback I'm getting from the school counselors and all this academic experts. The next step for him is the ACT. Right now he's making all A's and one B in all AP classes.

[ricepig]

I have a kid going trough this right now. I'm just telling you the feedback I'm getting from the school counselors and all this academic experts. The next step for him is the ACT. Right now he's making all A's and one B in all AP classes.

I've had two, and one more to go. The first two left high school with about 23-25 hours of credit, and 32's on the ACT, but I don't recall too many schools recruiting them. In fact, you're a dime a dozen at any major university with those scores. They both ended up with Chancellor's scholarships from Fayetteville, and won additional scholarships to make them full rides, but they weren't courted, lol.

[hogsanity]

If your kid is smart enough to do it and plans on going to college, AP courses are the way to go. If you make a C in and AP course it's looked at as an B. If you make a B in an AP course it's looked at as a A. And if you make an A in a AP course there's no reason to explain anything. You have no idea how good that looks to a college. Colleges will start recruiting you to come to their school.

EXACTLY. My kid is a sr, and is going to graduate basically as a college soph due to Ap courses. That is going to let him graduate college in 3 years in stead of 4. Also, you make those grades you do not have to pay for college, because as you said, they will come looking for you.

[redleg]

Guess Saban didn't bring enough money. He may go without a DT this season

Huh?
It was Byers grades that are going to keep him from going to Tuscaloosa, not a lack of talent or money.
:razorback:

[Vantage 8 dude]

Nothing in recruiting is guaranteed. Still gotta put it out there. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Golly, gee....did you think of that last "wisdom" all by yourself

[Pork Twain]

Strangely people still second guess our coaches on in-state recruiting, especially at Fayetteville.  With the Lunney, Franks, and Allen connections alone, does anyone actually think our staff is not clued into what is going on with every player they are looking at, especially at Fayetteville?  Some just need something to complain about, I guess. 

I am sure that from the beginning, our coaches were in "contact" with the administrative assistants and counselors at the school to gauge the possibility of him ever qualifying.  I doubt that schools outside our state have those same relationships.

[oldhawg]

I've had two, and one more to go. The first two left high school with about 23-25 hours of credit, and 32's on the ACT, but I don't recall too many schools recruiting them. In fact, you're a dime a dozen at any major university with those scores. They both ended up with Chancellor's scholarships from Fayetteville, and won additional scholarships to make them full rides, but they weren't courted, lol.

Congratulations to you and your kids.  Kudos are deserved.

However test scores don't always measure motivation.  My daughter and my son both took the ACT twice, and scored 25 on both occasions.  My daughter went to TCU (on multiple scholarships), had a double major in English and theater, and graduated with honors.  My son was accepted to the USNA, played soccer and ran track, and graduated with a 3.0.  Both are now productive, successful citizens of the world.

Different ways to success ---- and a lot for parents to be proud of.

[ricepig]

Congratulations to you and your kids.  Kudos are deserved.

However test scores don't always measure motivation.  My daughter and my son both took the ACT twice, and scored 25 on both occasions.  My daughter went to TCU (on multiple scholarships), had a double major in English and theater, and graduated with honors.  My son was accepted to the USNA, played soccer and ran track, and graduated with a 3.0.  Both are now productive, successful citizens of the world.

Different ways to success ---- and a lot for parents to be proud of.

Hey, I took it once in 1975 and made a 23, haha, and I am a semi-productive successful citizen of the world!

[Youngsta71701]

I've had two, and one more to go. The first two left high school with about 23-25 hours of credit, and 32's on the ACT, but I don't recall too many schools recruiting them. In fact, you're a dime a dozen at any major university with those scores. They both ended up with Chancellor's scholarships from Fayetteville, and won additional scholarships to make them full rides, but they weren't courted, lol.

Lol...I gotcha...I'm assuming you have to do your part. Of course you have to put the info out there first become exposed and then go from there.

[Youngsta71701]

Golly, gee....did you think of that last "wisdom" all by yourself

Nope, heard it from on the best basketball coaches in history. Can't remember which one. lol

[ricepig]

Lol...I gotcha...I'm assuming you have to do your part. Of course you have to put the info out there first become exposed and then go from there.

I guess it depends on the schools you're trying to get into, but good grades and good test scores will go a long ways to having someone else pay for their college, good luck.

[hogsanity]

Lol...I gotcha...I'm assuming you have to do your part. Of course you have to put the info out there first become exposed and then go from there.

32 is about the magic # on the act to start getting some attention. He had a 32 act as a jr, and was getting some good schalraship offers, but the last time he took it he made a 34, and it was like a flood gate opened. He is going on a full ride PLUS a few grand extra.

Another thing that schools are looking at more and more is service stuff outside of school, and being in groups at school like band, fbla, etc.

[Youngsta71701]

I guess it depends on the schools you're trying to get into, but good grades and good test scores will go a long ways to having someone else pay for their college, good luck.

Thank you sir. I might have to get some advice from ya. I'm new to this game.

[hawgfan4life]

I've had two, and one more to go. The first two left high school with about 23-25 hours of credit, and 32's on the ACT, but I don't recall too many schools recruiting them. In fact, you're a dime a dozen at any major university with those scores. They both ended up with Chancellor's scholarships from Fayetteville, and won additional scholarships to make them full rides, but they weren't courted, lol.

Colleges and Universities don't come recruiting kids based on their ACT scores unless it is a near perfect score maybe.  However, a 32 on an ACT is NOT a dime a dozen score.  In fact, if your children scored that high on their ACT, they could very well be making money from a college to attend.  Takes a lot of applications and ground work during their SR year of H.S., but those are incredibly good scores and you are doing your children and others a disservice by understating their value.  If you truly believe that and/or your children did not have many options, I would be interested to know what their school guidance counselor did to assist.  I have a son that graduated from one of our nation's most prestigious schools and he didn't have a 32 on his ACT.  Those scores are NOT a dime a dozen!

[ricepig]

Colleges and Universities don't come recruiting kids based on their ACT scores unless it is a near perfect score maybe.  However, a 32 on an ACT is NOT a dime a dozen score.  In fact, if your children scored that high on their ACT, they could very well be making money from a college to attend.  Takes a lot of applications and ground work during their SR year of H.S., but those are incredibly good scores and you are doing your children and others a disservice by understating their value.  If you truly believe that and/or your children did not have many options, I would be interested to know what their school guidance counselor did to assist.  I have a son that graduated from one of our nation's most prestigious schools and he didn't have a 32 on his ACT.  Those scores are NOT a dime a dozen!

My children attend/attended the University of Arkansas, both receiving Chancellor scholarships, 4 years apart. The first had a 31 with a 32 super score, the second made a 32. They both had over 4.0, with the second one around a 4.13. They both applied to several prestigious private schools and weren't given scholarships that equated to what a Chancellor's scholarship paid, percentage wise. They both received additional scholarship money and chose to "bank" the money in their fully funded college fund from their parents.

If you think a 32 and 4.0 is going to get your education paid for at Yale, Wash U., NYU, Syracuse, or Vanderbilt, then good luck. I'm not belittling their achievements at all, but those scores are just "average" for the incoming freshman classes for those schools.