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Some perspective
« on: January 11, 2018, 03:38:28 pm »

A comparison of three coaches at P5 schools with similar levels of success . Both Johnny Dawkins and Travis Ford got eight seasons. Overall, Anderson's winning percentages are higher at Arkansas than Dawkins and Ford. Dawkins' claim to fame was two NIT championships. In his only trip in eight seasons, he got to the Sweet Sixteen.

Ford got to the NCAA's five out of his eight seasons, but never got out of the first weekend.

I'm guessing that if these two got eight seasons, it might not be out of line to think of Anderson getting an eighth season as well. But, it would be helpful if he took this team to the tourney.

Johnny Dawkins record at Stanford:
Season   Team   Overall   Conference   Standing   Postseason
Stanford Cardinal (Pacific-10/Pac-12 Conference) (20082016)
200809   Stanford   2014   612   9th   CBI Semifinals
200910   Stanford   1418   711   T8th   
201011   Stanford   1516   711   T7th   
201112   Stanford   2611   108   7th   NIT Champions
201213   Stanford   1915   99   T6th   NIT Second Round
201314   Stanford   2313   108   T3rd   NCAA Sweet Sixteen
201415   Stanford   2413   99   T5th   NIT Champions
201516   Stanford   1515   810   9th   
Stanford:   156115 (.576)   6678 (.458)   

Travis Ford at OSU:
200809   Oklahoma State   2312   97   T4th   NCAA Round of 32
200910   Oklahoma State   2211   97   T6th   NCAA Round of 64
201011   Oklahoma State   2014   610   9th   NIT Second Round
201112   Oklahoma State   1518   711   7th   
201213   Oklahoma State   249   135   3rd   NCAA Round of 64
201314   Oklahoma State   2113   810   8th   NCAA Round of 64
201415   Oklahoma State   1814   810   T6th   NCAA Round of 64
201516   Oklahoma State   1220   315   9th   
Oklahoma State:   155111 (.585)   6380 (.441)

Mike Anderson
201112   Arkansas   1814   610   9th   
201213   Arkansas   1913   108   7th   
201314   Arkansas   2212   108   5th   NIT Second Round
201415   Arkansas   279   135   2nd   NCAA Round of 32
201516   Arkansas   1616   99   T8th   
201617   Arkansas   2610   126   T3rd   NCAA Round of 32
201718   Arkansas   114   12      
Arkansas:   13978 (.641)   6148 (.560)   
   
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Re: Some perspective
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 04:25:11 pm »

A comparison of three coaches at P5 schools with similar levels of success . Both Johnny Dawkins and Travis Ford got eight seasons. Overall, Anderson's winning percentages are higher at Arkansas than Dawkins and Ford. Dawkins' claim to fame was two NIT championships. In his only trip in eight seasons, he got to the Sweet Sixteen.

Ford got to the NCAA's five out of his eight seasons, but never got out of the first weekend.

I'm guessing that if these two got eight seasons, it might not be out of line to think of Anderson getting an eighth season as well. But, it would be helpful if he took this team to the tourney.

Johnny Dawkins record at Stanford:
Season   Team   Overall   Conference   Standing   Postseason
Stanford Cardinal (Pacific-10/Pac-12 Conference) (20082016)
200809   Stanford   2014   612   9th   CBI Semifinals
200910   Stanford   1418   711   T8th   
201011   Stanford   1516   711   T7th   
201112   Stanford   2611   108   7th   NIT Champions
201213   Stanford   1915   99   T6th   NIT Second Round
201314   Stanford   2313   108   T3rd   NCAA Sweet Sixteen
201415   Stanford   2413   99   T5th   NIT Champions
201516   Stanford   1515   810   9th   
Stanford:   156115 (.576)   6678 (.458)   

Travis Ford at OSU:
200809   Oklahoma State   2312   97   T4th   NCAA Round of 32
200910   Oklahoma State   2211   97   T6th   NCAA Round of 64
201011   Oklahoma State   2014   610   9th   NIT Second Round
201112   Oklahoma State   1518   711   7th   
201213   Oklahoma State   249   135   3rd   NCAA Round of 64
201314   Oklahoma State   2113   810   8th   NCAA Round of 64
201415   Oklahoma State   1814   810   T6th   NCAA Round of 64
201516   Oklahoma State   1220   315   9th   
Oklahoma State:   155111 (.585)   6380 (.441)

Mike Anderson
201112   Arkansas   1814   610   9th   
201213   Arkansas   1913   108   7th   
201314   Arkansas   2212   108   5th   NIT Second Round
201415   Arkansas   279   135   2nd   NCAA Round of 32
201516   Arkansas   1616   99   T8th   
201617   Arkansas   2610   126   T3rd   NCAA Round of 32
201718   Arkansas   114   12      
Arkansas:   13978 (.641)   6148 (.560)

I think you have to factor in the depth and difficulty of the B12 for Ford. 

For Ford, 2 NCAAT trips to start so that probably bought him the next 2 seasons to rebuild.  Then starting in season 5 hotseat where he had to win again it was back to the NCAAT 3 more times.  This got him 8 seasons.

Stanford is just not passionate about sports in comparison.  Mike Montgomery did very well there but it didn't start till his 9th season. 

Dawkins kind of did what Ford did on a lesser scale.  Just when he reached a probable firing season in season 4, he wins the NIT.  Buys him season 5 which was another NIT.  Hot seat in season 6 but he makes the Sw 16.  Buys him season 7 which is NIT Ch which buys 8 which is a failure.  He was able to keep doing enough for a while. 

Lets pretend Mike is just another coach at Arkansas.  Season 4 would have bought him season 5.  Season 6 would have been hot seat due to season 5 but it cooled due to NCAAT trip.  He gets season 7.   Also didn't have practice facility so that may have bought him some time after the early seasons - if he were just another coach.  Not being able to turn over the roster in the beginning due to concern over harming progress made in the APR would have bought him some time in the early seasons - if he were just another coach.

Arkansas basketball would have higher expectations than Stanford - if this were any other coach. 

Disclaimer- Not in any way advocating Mike's firing. 
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