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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2018, 12:00:43 pm »

Why would SEC talent want to play in the Big 12?  Why would a Florida boy want to play in the Big 12 when his relatives can't even get the channel to watch him play?

Don't ask me. Ask the Florida boys playing for Texas and Oklahoma.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2018, 12:01:06 pm »

Unless they only have antennae, you can literally watch any P5 football game you want on tv these days. Welcome to 2018

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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2018, 12:01:11 pm »

Sure thing. That's why we played in the National Championship in 2011, our best year in recent memory.

Oh, no we didn't. We lost 2 games that year to whom? We were ranked #3 at one point, behind what 2 teams?
Never said it would be easy....just easier.  If Arkansas needs to be to beat elite teams to be in that conversation....elite teams like Bama....knock off Bama and good things happen.  I see your point just disagree.  So far.  What is citable evidence that going to the Big 12 will help us get a championship of any kind?  I haven't heard any yet.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2018, 12:01:48 pm »

Are we more successful with more money? We've been raking in SEC money for years, and we're 29-34 the last 5 seasons?

How about the Missouri Valley?  Second oldest conference in the US. Decent basketball.  Big baseball rivalry with Missouri State. Might make playoffs now and then. May even win a natty:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2018, 12:02:07 pm »

Why do these posts keep happening? Why do folks respond to it? Why did I open it? No clear answers

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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2018, 12:03:30 pm »

It will be vastly easier for Arkansas to win a National Championship in the SEC.  You are guaranteed not to have to play bama, LSU, Auburn in the championship game.  If you win the west you will be in the top 5.  Just one game away from the CFP.  Just a couple random thoughts.  I think our fan base needs to stop it with the excuses and making the road easier.   And focus on fielding good teams.

I'll get right on that. Will be hitting the south Arkansas recruiting trails this afternoon.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2018, 12:04:10 pm »

How about the Missouri Valley?  Second oldest conference in the US. Decent basketball.  Big baseball rivalry with Missouri State. Might make playoffs now and then. May even win a natty:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference

Comparing a P5 FBS conference to an FCS conference?
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« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2018, 12:05:25 pm »

It will be vastly easier for Arkansas to win a National Championship in the SEC.  You are guaranteed not to have to play bama, LSU, Auburn in the championship game.  If you win the west you will be in the top 5.  Just one game away from the CFP.  Just a couple random thoughts.  I think our fan base needs to stop it with the excuses and making the road easier.   And focus on fielding good teams.

Tell that to LSU a few years back.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2018, 12:05:37 pm »

Don't ask me. Ask the Florida boys playing for Texas and Oklahoma.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2018, 12:07:52 pm »

Never said it would be easy....just easier.  If Arkansas needs to be to beat elite teams to be in that conversation....elite teams like Bama....knock off Bama and good things happen.  I see your point just disagree.  So far.  What is citable evidence that going to the Big 12 will help us get a championship of any kind?  I haven't heard any yet.

A one loss Big 12 team makes the playoff more times than not.  So it's beat OU (probably twice) and TCU or beat Bama, Auburn, LSU and Georgia. I think the former is easier. 
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2018, 12:08:33 pm »

ELITE

Who on our roster from Florida is "elite?"
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« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2018, 12:12:04 pm »

Who on our roster from Florida is "elite?"

Let me check....oh by the way....Texas has a total of 3 players from Florida.  We have 10 according to my count.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2018, 12:12:57 pm »

Why would SEC talent want to play in the Big 12?  Why would a Florida boy want to play in the Big 12 when his relatives can't even get the channel to watch him play?
I’d rather have Big 12 talent if we’re playing in the Big 12... 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2018, 12:14:25 pm »

Comparing a P5 FBS conference to an FCS conference?

I thought you wanted more wins?
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« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2018, 12:14:37 pm »

Let me check....oh by the way....Texas has a total of 3 players from Florida.

They had 5 this past year. As many as us? No, definitely not. But if we're really relying on getting that many players from Florida to get us over the edge, we're in trouble.
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« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2018, 12:15:34 pm »

I’d rather have Big 12 talent if we’re playing in the Big 12... 🤷🏻‍♂️
When the last time a Big 12 team won the National Championship?
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« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2018, 12:15:54 pm »

I thought you wanted more wins?

Yeah. More wins in a P5 conference that would still give us a path to a playoff appearance.

Don't think you can get that from the Missouri Valley Conference.

I believe we would win more football games as a member of the Big 12. Sue me.

Also yeah if going to the Big 12 would result in more wins while remaining in a P5 conference, sign me up.
People will try and spin that statement, but all you're doing is spinning a statement that says "I want the Arkansas Razorbacks to get as many wins as they can while still in a P5 conference." So, by all means, go ahead.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2018, 12:16:39 pm »

When the last time a Big 12 team won the National Championship?

When was the last time an SEC team not named Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida (our record against them is stellar, no?) won a National Championship?
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« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2018, 12:16:43 pm »

They had 5 this past year. As many as us? No, definitely not. But if we're really relying on getting that many players from Florida to get us over the edge, we're in trouble.
Collins?  Really.  You just said that?
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« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2018, 12:17:29 pm »

Collins?  Really.  You just said that?

I said "that many players."

Collins is one player. He is not "that many players."
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« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2018, 12:17:37 pm »

When was the last time an SEC team outside of our own division won a National Championship?
Agreed this is why you stay.  I would rather beat Bama in fville than Mercedes Benz stadium.
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« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2018, 12:18:48 pm »

I said "that many players."

Collins is one player. He is not "that many players."
You said that "help get us over the hump"  he did.  We disagree...so what.  I made may points.  Yours are subjective.
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« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2018, 12:19:22 pm »

You said that "help get us over the hump"  he did.  We disagree...so what.  I made may points.  Yours are subjective.


What "hump" did Collins get us over? The hump of 7 wins? Oh boy.

You saying he "got us over the hump" is a subjective statement.
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« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2018, 12:20:37 pm »

Agreed this is why you stay.  I would rather beat Bama in fville than Mercedes Benz stadium.

The last time we beat Bama in Fayetteville was 2006 (when they sucked, and we had our best team of the past 15 years.)  I'd rather be in Mercedes Benz Stadium.
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« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2018, 12:22:53 pm »

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« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2018, 12:31:13 pm »

When was the last time an SEC team not named Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida (our record against them is stellar, no?) won a National Championship?
Your missing the point here.  Arkansas will be propelled up the polls by wins in a superior conference.  That is likely the only way Arkansas makes it to a playoff, by beating those teams.  Arkansas NEEDS teams like that to become relevant again....that's all I am saying.  I think a move to the big 12 drops our recruiting rankings and more or less makes our program less relevant.
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« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2018, 12:32:33 pm »

Your missing the point here.  Arkansas will be propelled up the polls by wins in a superior conference.  That is likely the only way Arkansas makes it to a playoff, by beating those teams.  Arkansas NEEDS teams like that to become relevant again....that's all I am saying.  I think a move to the big 12 drops our recruiting rankings and more or less makes our program less relevant.

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« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2018, 12:33:59 pm »

Your missing the point here.  Arkansas will be propelled up the polls by wins in a superior conference.  That is likely the only way Arkansas makes it to a playoff, by beating those teams.  Arkansas NEEDS teams like that to become relevant again....that's all I am saying.  I think a move to the big 12 drops our recruiting rankings and more or less makes our program less relevant.

A one loss Big 12 team makes the playoff more times than not.  So it's beat OU (probably twice) and TCU or beat Bama, Auburn, LSU and Georgia. I think the former is easier.

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« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2018, 01:02:27 pm »

Your missing the point here.  Arkansas will be propelled up the polls by wins in a superior conference.  That is likely the only way Arkansas makes it to a playoff, by beating those teams.  Arkansas NEEDS teams like that to become relevant again....that's all I am saying.  I think a move to the big 12 drops our recruiting rankings and more or less makes our program less relevant.

The BCS is gone. No longer do you have to be 1 or 2 in the rankings to play for the championship. Arkansas' path to the playoff in the Big 12 is much easier rather than playing Bama, Auburn, LSU and more than likely Georgia or Florida in Atlanta. That's is much more difficult to come out of with 1 loss than playing OU, TCU, OK State and Texas.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2018, 01:06:17 pm »

I agree, I believe that move would greatly help the program.

Never gonna happen so go away and let us that root for the team no matter where they are quit seeing this dung.
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« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2018, 01:10:42 pm »

Never gonna happen so go away and let us that root for the team no matter where they are quit seeing this dung.

Well you just put it at the top of the message board list. Congrats on playing yourself.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2018, 01:13:06 pm »

Are the Hogs better off to stay in the SEC? Or would it benefit the athletic program to move to the Big 12? Take all sports into account, not just football.







Compare to be slammed by the know-it-alls. But to answer your question honestly .yeah Arkansas would be better served in the Big 12. the only thing they get from the SEC is more money
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« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2018, 01:15:40 pm »

Never gonna happen so go away and let us that root for the team no matter where they are quit seeing this dung.

Just a healthy debate that most cannot seem to provide adequate backing as to the obsession with the SEC.

Also, the whole "I am a better fan for rooting for the team no matter what" stance has no substance. The fans arguing the Big 12 point are only doing so because that is what they think gives the Hogs the best chance for success. Not being satisfied with mediocrity and rooting for our competitors like the SEC homers makes you a better fan of the hogs in my opinion.

When I hear a logical reason to root for the SEC I might change my tune but have not heard one yet.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2018, 01:17:33 pm »

When was the last time an SEC team not named Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida (our record against them is stellar, no?) won a National Championship?

1998. Tennessee.
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« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2018, 01:19:06 pm »

Just a healthy debate that most cannot seem to provide adequate backing as to the obsession with the SEC.

Also, the whole "I am a better fan for rooting for the team no matter what" stance has no substance. The fans arguing the Big 12 point are only doing so because that is what they think gives the Hogs the best chance for success. Not being satisfied with mediocrity and rooting for our competitors like the SEC homers makes you a better fan of the hogs in my opinion.

When I hear a logical reason to root for the SEC I might change my tune but have not heard one yet.

Well you just put it at the top of the message board list. Congrats on playing yourself.

The absolute worst thing about Hogville is people covering and bringing up the same dung over and over and over again.
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« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2018, 01:20:33 pm »

1998. Tennessee.

Our time will come soon in the SEC!!!!
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« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2018, 01:22:33 pm »

Our time will come soon in the SEC!!!!

Just as soon as it would in any other P5 conference.
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« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2018, 01:23:03 pm »

1998. Tennessee.

Yes, and the Big 12 won in 2006 (more recent than '98 in case you were confused.)

The original question was when was the last time the Big 12 won a championship.

As has been stated, the BCS is done.  You just have to make the playoff to get a shot.  I think it is easier to make the playoff in the Big 12 than it is coming out of the SEC West. I've yet to see an argument that supports the contrary.

For hating this topic you sure do keep responding.
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« Reply #88 on: January 11, 2018, 01:27:06 pm »

Just a healthy debate that most cannot seem to provide adequate backing as to the obsession with the SEC.

Also, the whole "I am a better fan for rooting for the team no matter what" stance has no substance. The fans arguing the Big 12 point are only doing so because that is what they think gives the Hogs the best chance for success. Not being satisfied with mediocrity and rooting for our competitors like the SEC homers makes you a better fan of the hogs in my opinion.

When I hear a logical reason to root for the SEC I might change my tune but have not heard one yet.

That what DOES give a fan substance. It's why a fan is short for fanatic.

And there is no need whatsoever to ever argue over or debate something you know won't happen.

What makes you think that fans are  "satisfied" with mediocrity. Winning win a lesser conference is another form of mediocrity.

Rooting for your brethren against outsiders is analogous to rooting for your family member to win against someone not in the family.
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« Reply #89 on: January 11, 2018, 01:28:50 pm »

Yes, and the Big 12 won in 2000 (more recent than '98 in case you were confused.)

The original question was when was the last time the Big 12 won a championship.

As has been stated, the BCS is done.  You just have to make the playoff to get a shot.  I think it is easier to make the playoff in the Big 12 than it is coming out of the SEC West. I've yet to see an argument that supports the contrary.

For hating this topic you sure do keep responding.

So whens the last time a little 12 member other than Oklahoma or Texas won a NC.

My responding is trying to bring some sanity and brains to the conversation. You and the OP just simply want to bring forth something not valid.............in other words insanity.
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« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2018, 01:28:56 pm »

Just as soon as it would in any other P5 conference.

False, pretty much any other P5 conference would have an easier path to getting in the playoff than the SEC. Contradicting yourself if you say otherwise after speaking of the strength of the conference over and over.
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« Reply #91 on: January 11, 2018, 01:30:56 pm »

Pac 12. Next question.

PAC 12 has certain academic requirements that Okie doesn't meet.

Also has in there charter a provision against accepting religiously affiliated schools.  That's why BYU can't get in.

So,  next?
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« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2018, 01:31:49 pm »

That what DOES give a fan substance. It's why a fan is short for fanatic.

And there is no need whatsoever to ever argue over or debate something you know won't happen.

What makes you think that fans are  "satisfied" with mediocrity. Winning win a lesser conference is another form of mediocrity.

Rooting for your brethren against outsiders is analogous to rooting for your family member to win against someone not in the family.

Not sure how your family works, but I don't think my family members want to kick my ass every year after they're done with outsiders...
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« Reply #93 on: January 11, 2018, 01:31:55 pm »

So whens the last time a little 12 member other than Oklahoma or Texas won a NC.

Nice deflection.

If you honestly think Arkansas getting to the CFP out of the SEC W would be easier than getting there out of the Big 12 then I cannot do anything for you.
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« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2018, 01:32:24 pm »

False, pretty much any other P5 conference would have an easier path to getting in the playoff than the SEC. Contradicting yourself if you say otherwise after speaking of the strength of the conference over and over.

For you to say false means you want to win in a lesser conference.
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« Reply #95 on: January 11, 2018, 01:33:13 pm »

Nice deflection.

If you honestly think Arkansas getting to the CFP out of the SEC W would be easier than getting there out of the Big 12 then I cannot do anything for you.

No deflection at all. You brought forth the same question. Turn about is fair play here. If you don't think so then grow a pair.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #96 on: January 11, 2018, 01:33:32 pm »

For you to say false means you want to win in a lesser conference.

Yes, I do want to win.  Do you not?
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« Reply #97 on: January 11, 2018, 01:33:57 pm »

No deflection at all. You brought forth the same question. Turn about is fair play here. If you don't think so then grow a pair.

Fair enough.

Can you please address the second part of my response?
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« Reply #98 on: January 11, 2018, 01:34:29 pm »

That what DOES give a fan substance. It's why a fan is short for fanatic.

And there is no need whatsoever to ever argue over or debate something you know won't happen.

What makes you think that fans are  "satisfied" with mediocrity. Winning win a lesser conference is another form of mediocrity.

Rooting for your brethren against outsiders is analogous to rooting for your family member to win against someone not in the family.

To be truthful, the SEC homers rooting for other SEC teams to win is their way of trying to live vicariously through another team. 

Arkansas fans might not want to leave the SEC because that would mean that they no longer are able to relish in the fact "we are members of the strongest conference in the country" when in fact we contribute minimally to the national reputation of the conference.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #99 on: January 11, 2018, 01:35:31 pm »

PAC 12 has certain academic requirements that Okie doesn't meet.

Also has in there charter a provision against accepting religiously affiliated schools.  That's why BYU can't get in.

So,  next?

Please show us in the PAC 12 charter any provision against religious schools. That might be why some of the members wouldn't vote them in but I've never seen anything saying they would not accept a religious school simply because of anything written in its' charter.
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