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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #100 on: January 11, 2018, 01:36:08 pm »

To be truthful, the SEC homers rooting for other SEC teams to win is their way of trying to live vicariously through another team. 

Arkansas fans might not want to leave the SEC because that would mean that they no longer are able to relish in the fact "we are members of the strongest conference in the country" when in fact we contribute minimally to the national reputation of the conference.

So I guess you never root for a family member to win. I bet your family doesn't know that.........................
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« Reply #101 on: January 11, 2018, 01:36:15 pm »

For you to say false means you want to win in a lesser conference.

If winning in a lesser conference gets us a shot in the playoff then hell yeah. It beats our team sitting at home new years day flying the "SEC" Flag
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #102 on: January 11, 2018, 01:37:44 pm »

If winning in a lesser conference gets us a shot in the playoff then hell yeah. It beats our team sitting at home new years day flying the "SEC" Flag

Except we haven't always sat at home. Look we had a bad deal with the previous coach but that doesn't mean we will always have that bad deal. IF you can't be optimistic then why live to begin with.........................
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #103 on: January 11, 2018, 01:38:30 pm »

we would look like loser if we left. They said we can't play with the big boys
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #104 on: January 11, 2018, 01:38:44 pm »

Please show us in the PAC 12 charter any provision against religious schools. That might be why some of the members wouldn't vote them in but I've never seen anything saying they would not accept a religious school simply because of anything written in its' charter.

I may have mispoke.  It may be a tradition instead.

Still,  I know for sure that's why BYU was left out. And BYU has better academics and more research than Baylor or TCU.
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« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2018, 01:39:16 pm »

So I guess you never root for a family member to win. I bet your family doesn't know that.........................

The rooting for family is a terrible analogy.

You aren't recruiting the same athletes against "family"

you don't have to play "family" every year when they can play those recruits they got over us against us

You don't lose to "family" year in year out.

If you want to keep having Bama get stronger to continue their dominance over us, then by all means root for them but I would like for them to come back down to earth for us to compete with them regularly. 
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2018, 01:40:56 pm »

The rooting for family is a terrible analogy.

You aren't recruiting the same athletes against "family"

you don't have to play "family" every year when they can play those recruits they got over us against us

You don't lose to "family" year in year out.

If you want to keep having Bama get stronger to continue their dominance over us, then by all means root for them but I would like for them to come back down to earth for us to compete with them regularly.

Family members also don't beat the darn out of each other.

If I had a family member that beat the darn out of me every single year, I'd get sick of it. So if some outsider kicked that family member's ass, I might be grateful.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #107 on: January 11, 2018, 01:41:55 pm »

Except we haven't always sat at home. Look we had a bad deal with the previous coach but that doesn't mean we will always have that bad deal. IF you can't be optimistic then why live to begin with.........................

Its not about optimism its about being realistic.

I am optimistic every time they step on the field to play but I am not going to convince myself that we will begin to beat the SEC West powers year in year out any time soon.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #108 on: January 11, 2018, 01:42:00 pm »

I may have mispoke.  It may be a tradition instead.

Still,  I know for sure that's why BYU was left out. And BYU has better academics and more research than Baylor or TCU.

It is a much more strict school than any others in the conference. However not academically speaking. I'd bet the religion thing is one reason why they weren't invited. Also having Utah in it doesn't help either. Ironically BYU has a larger following than several of the PAC12 schools.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2018, 01:42:13 pm »

we would look like loser if we left. They said we can't play with the big boys

Do you think we can?
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2018, 01:42:59 pm »

Its not about optimism its about being realistic.

I am optimistic every time they step on the field to play but I am not going to convince myself that we will begin to beat the SEC West powers year in year out any time soon.

So it's realistic that we will all die. BUT while living there is no need to be pessimistic. THAT's what you are doing.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2018, 01:43:26 pm »

Except we haven't always sat at home. Look we had a bad deal with the previous coach but that doesn't mean we will always have that bad deal. IF you can't be optimistic then why live to begin with.........................

For the third time: do you think it would be easier for Arkansas to make a CFP coming out of the Big 12 or coming out of the SEC W?
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2018, 01:43:40 pm »

I do honestly miss playing Texas and OK every year, but if you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best. 
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« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2018, 01:44:53 pm »

I do honestly miss playing Texas and OK every year, but if you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best.

Then do it in the playoff....
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #114 on: January 11, 2018, 01:46:17 pm »

I do honestly miss playing Texas and OK every year, but if you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best.

I know what I need to know about your opinion due to the fact you think we've ever played Oklahoma every year.
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« Reply #115 on: January 11, 2018, 01:46:47 pm »

So it's realistic that we will all die. BUT while living there is no need to be pessimistic. THAT's what you are doing.

You think make the playoff in 5, 10, 15 years being in the SEC?
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« Reply #116 on: January 11, 2018, 01:47:05 pm »

I do honestly miss playing Texas and OK every year, but if you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best.

The last time we played Oklahoma in consecutive seasons was 1914-1919. What are you talking about? If you're referring to the SWC, Arkansas was the only school outside of the state of Texas to be a member of the conference.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #117 on: January 11, 2018, 01:52:22 pm »

You think make the playoff in 5, 10, 15 years being in the SEC?

Hope so but it doesn't matter if I think so or not. What matters is I'll root for them regardless and not worry about it.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #118 on: January 11, 2018, 01:52:59 pm »

hope so but it doesn't matter if I think so or not. What matters is I'll root for them regardless and not worry about it.

For the fourth time: do you think it would be easier for Arkansas to make a CFP coming out of the Big 12 or coming out of the SEC W?
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« Reply #119 on: January 11, 2018, 01:53:17 pm »

So it's realistic that we will all die. BUT while living there is no need to be pessimistic. THAT's what you are doing.

Poor guy cant even stay on topic.
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« Reply #120 on: January 11, 2018, 01:53:24 pm »

I do honestly miss playing Texas and OK every year, but if you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best.

God, I hate this train of thought.

Then why did Alabama lose to Clemson last year? Did Alabama not beat better teams throughout the season than Clemson did?

According to rankings at the time, they beat better teams than Clemson, so they should've been the best.

But they weren't.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2018, 01:54:28 pm »

Poor guy cant even stay on topic.

The topic IS your pessimistic attitude.
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2018, 01:54:53 pm »

The topic IS your pessimistic attitude.

For the fifth time: do you think it would be easier for Arkansas to make a CFP coming out of the Big 12 or coming out of the SEC W?
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« Reply #123 on: January 11, 2018, 01:55:41 pm »

God, I hate this train of thought.

Then why did Alabama lose to Clemson last year? Did Alabama not beat better teams throughout the season than Clemson did?

According to rankings at the time, they beat better teams than Clemson, so they should've been the best.

But they weren't.

Except the "rankings at the time" thing changes OVER time.
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« Reply #124 on: January 11, 2018, 01:56:52 pm »

For the fifth time: do you think it would be easier for Arkansas to make a CFP coming out of the Big 12 or coming out of the SEC W?

For the fifth time I don't care if it it would be or wouldn't. As I said before grow a pair.
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« Reply #125 on: January 11, 2018, 01:57:20 pm »

Except the "rankings at the time" thing changes OVER time.

Oh, but my friend! They ran the gauntlet that is the SEC! I should have to say no more, right?
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« Reply #126 on: January 11, 2018, 01:59:20 pm »

Except the "rankings at the time" thing changes OVER time.

Nonetheless, if you make the playoff you are going to have to beat the best to win it all.

Why is it such a bad thing to have an easier road there?

If you make it in, you have a chance and that is more than can be said in about 54 years for the hogs.
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« Reply #127 on: January 11, 2018, 02:00:15 pm »

It will be vastly easier for Arkansas to win a National Championship in the SEC.  You are guaranteed not to have to play bama, LSU, Auburn in the championship game.  If you win the west you will be in the top 5.  Just one game away from the CFP.  Just a couple random thoughts.  I think our fan base needs to stop it with the excuses and making the road easier.   And focus on fielding good teams.
To be in the national championship you need to win at least 11 games.  Maybe 10 in a really strange year. If you win 11 or 12 games in a p5 conference you practically guaranteed to be in the playoff.  Would it be easier to win 11 or 12 in the SEC or Big 12?
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« Reply #128 on: January 11, 2018, 02:02:04 pm »

The rooting for family is a terrible analogy.

You aren't recruiting the same athletes against "family"

you don't have to play "family" every year when they can play those recruits they got over us against us

You don't lose to "family" year in year out.

If you want to keep having Bama get stronger to continue their dominance over us, then by all means root for them but I would like for them to come back down to earth for us to compete with them regularly. 

Why is that? The SEC is our sports family.................

Besides who said Bama would always every year be as strong as they have been under Saban. They've had their down years before just like everyone else.
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« Reply #129 on: January 11, 2018, 02:03:11 pm »

Except the "rankings at the time" thing changes OVER time.

In 2016 Alabama had wins over the Final AP top 25 #3, #4, #13, #14, #22, and #24

Clemson had wins over the Final AP top 25 #6, #8, #16, #21, and #24

Remind me again who holds the 2016 national title.
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« Reply #130 on: January 11, 2018, 02:03:34 pm »

To be in the national championship you need to win at least 11 games.  Maybe 10 in a really strange year. If you win 11 or 12 games in a p5 conference you practically guaranteed to be in the playoff.  Would it be easier to win 11 or 12 in the SEC or Big 12?

Exactly
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« Reply #131 on: January 11, 2018, 02:03:55 pm »

Why is that? The SEC is our sports family.................

Besides who said Bama would always every year be as strong as they have been under Saban. They've had their down years just like everyone else.

Sports...family? Are you serious?
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« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2018, 02:05:12 pm »

Sports...family? Are you serious?

I didn't know families wanted to beat the living Frank out of each other every year.
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« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2018, 02:05:58 pm »

Why is that? The SEC is our sports family.................

Besides who said Bama would always every year be as strong as they have been under Saban. They've had their down years just like everyone else.

Because the reasons that I have listed below. The other teams in the SEC do not have our best interest at heart. Why should we root for them to get stronger as well?

They beat the crap out of us in recruiting and on the field. I just don't get that logic.
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« Reply #134 on: January 11, 2018, 02:06:51 pm »

I didn't know families wanted to beat the living Frank out of each other every year.

You had no brothers or sisters growing up I guess.
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« Reply #135 on: January 11, 2018, 02:07:43 pm »

You had no brothers or sisters growing up I guess.

The fact you can't actually keep this to football and refuse to answer questions shows you have a straw man argument.

In 2016 Alabama had wins over the Final AP top 25 #3, #4, #13, #14, #22, and #24

Clemson had wins over the Final AP top 25 #6, #8, #16, #21, and #24

Remind me again who holds the 2016 national title.
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« Reply #136 on: January 11, 2018, 02:08:30 pm »

In 2016 Alabama had wins over the Final AP top 25 #3, #4, #13, #14, #22, and #24

Clemson had wins over the Final AP top 25 #6, #8, #16, #21, and #24

Remind me again who holds the 2016 national title.

You just stepped in it.  "To be the best you have to beat the best."  Clemson beat the best.  That's why they hold the 2016 national title.
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« Reply #137 on: January 11, 2018, 02:09:18 pm »

You had no brothers or sisters growing up I guess.

What does Alabama's success give us DIRECTLY?

I'm not seeing how they are part of our family and contribute to Arkansas' household.
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« Reply #138 on: January 11, 2018, 02:10:04 pm »

Just sayin', but Alabama has won 50% of the national championship trophies over the past 10 years....(Big 12 = 0)    why would you not want to be in a conference with the best of the best?....
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« Reply #139 on: January 11, 2018, 02:10:46 pm »

You just stepped in it.  "To be the best you have to beat the best."  Clemson beat the best.  That's why they hold the 2016 national title.

You just stepped in it. If Arkansas was in the Big 12 and they make the playoff and beat the "Best" are they not the national champions? Do they have to come out of the SEC to be the proper champions?
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« Reply #140 on: January 11, 2018, 02:11:15 pm »

You just stepped in it.  "To be the best you have to beat the best."  Clemson beat the best.  That's why they hold the 2016 national title.

To beat the best you have to make the playoff.  They had an easier road than Bama. Excluding CFP games in 2016:

Alabama had wins over the Final AP top 25 #3, #13, #14, #22, and #24

Clemson had wins over the Final AP top 25 #8, #16, #21, and #24

Am I missing something here?
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« Reply #141 on: January 11, 2018, 02:11:49 pm »

You just stepped in it.  "To be the best you have to beat the best."  Clemson beat the best.  That's why they hold the 2016 national title.

Alabama | Clemson

#3 > #6

#4 > #8

#13 > #16

#14 > #21

#22 > #24

#24 > Unranked

Literally every team ranked at the end of the year that Alabama beat was ranked higher than every team Clemson beat.

Alabama opponent average rank: 13.33
Clemson opponent average rank:  15.00

Those averages are even skewed because Alabama beat 6 teams that finished ranked. Clemson beat 5. If you figure Clemson's unranked win was over #26, that puts their average at 16.83.

A ranking of 13.33 is better than 15.00 or 16.83, last I checked. Therefore, Alabama beat better teams. But they weren't the best.

Huh.
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« Reply #142 on: January 11, 2018, 02:13:35 pm »

Just sayin', but Alabama has won 50% of the national championship trophies over the past 10 years....(Big 12 = 0)    why would you not want to be in a conference with the best of the best?....

Maybe because they beat up on us every year and I don't really care about being in the same conference with the best team. At the end of the day, how does Arkansas benefit from that?
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #143 on: January 11, 2018, 02:14:33 pm »

Just sayin', but Alabama has won 50% of the national championship trophies over the past 10 years....(Big 12 = 0)    why would you not want to be in a conference with the best of the best?....

I'm indifferent to the argument, but why would you want to be in a monopolized conference?
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« Reply #144 on: January 11, 2018, 02:18:03 pm »

You just stepped in it.  "To be the best you have to beat the best."  Clemson beat the best.  That's why they hold the 2016 national title.

Now don't go making sense. The pessimist can't take it. They'll go cry to mommy saying "It's to hard" hoping mommy will put them in the remedial program................................
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« Reply #145 on: January 11, 2018, 02:19:10 pm »

Now don't go making sense. The pessimist can't take it. They'll go cry to mommy saying "It's to hard" hoping mommy will put them in the remedial program................................

Making sense? Look at my post a couple posts up. Argue with mathematics.
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« Reply #146 on: January 11, 2018, 02:19:14 pm »

The fact you can't actually keep this to football and refuse to answer questions shows you have a straw man argument.

In 2016 Alabama had wins over the Final AP top 25 #3, #4, #13, #14, #22, and #24

Clemson had wins over the Final AP top 25 #6, #8, #16, #21, and #24

Remind me again who holds the 2016 national title.

I wasn't replying to you with that post was I...............
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #147 on: January 11, 2018, 02:19:33 pm »

Now don't go making sense. The pessimist can't take it. They'll go cry to mommy saying "It's to hard" hoping mommy will put them in the remedial program................................

To beat the best you have to make the playoff.  They had an easier road than Bama. Excluding CFP games in 2016:

Alabama had wins over the Final AP top 25 #3, #13, #14, #22, and #24

Clemson had wins over the Final AP top 25 #8, #16, #21, and #24

Am I missing something here?

Do you not know how to read?
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2018, 02:19:42 pm »

Now don't go making sense. The pessimist can't take it. They'll go cry to mommy saying "It's to hard" hoping mommy will put them in the remedial program................................

Too*

And damn, being "tough" has really gotten us pretty far hasn't it? So many championships to show for it
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Re: SEC or Big 12
« Reply #149 on: January 11, 2018, 02:22:29 pm »

Do you not know how to read?

Do you know how to think..................
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