Worst call I've ever seen...ref kicks out Snell

[HamIAm]

The makeup targeting call is the only penalty against NW in the first half.

[cardinalandwhite]

You don't kick a kid out for language in football.  Flag him...probably yes.  Maybe if he does it again...then sure.  It should be hard to kick a kid out of a football game.

I thought that targeting call against Northwestern was bogus too.  The kid jumped in the air.  The crown of the helmet went in because the kid was above the tackler.

Refs having a bad day.

A bad day is letting an obvious PI go in the A&M game and costing them a chance at a field goal. This cluster should end this moron's calling bowl games.

[Boarcephus]

I thought that targeting call against Northwestern was bogus too.  The kid jumped in the air.  The crown of the helmet went in because the kid was above the tackler.

Make up call

[Razorback_Mack]

Worst call you've ever seen?  Come on. Not even close to worst.

Yes, easily the worst.

[Cracker Jack]

Would that be an ejection for something over than "contact with an official?"

No.  The official specifically said during the announcement of the penalty that it was for "contact with an official".  NO WAY there should have been an ejection!!  The guy should be suspended or fired.......you can't have a "hair trigger" and be a referee!

[FANONTHEHILL]

Second worse call I've seen -  the targeting on Northwestern defensive back.  Awful job by the PAC-10 crew. 

[Ugly Uncle]

A bad day is letting an obvious PI go in the A&M game and costing them a chance at a field goal. This cluster should end this moron's calling bowl games.

It should.  Like I've said, never seen its equal in egregiousness.

Make up call

The makeup targeting call is the only penalty against NW in the first half.

Pitiful on both accounts.

[Razorback_Mack]

Throwing him out was worse than the Russians putting time back on the clock like 3 times in that gold medal basketball game.

[Inhogswetrust]

Bad call BUT players are NEVER put their hands on a Ref period unless it is obvious the Ref is helping him up off the field. Also I couldn't hear what he said to him either. Must have been bad.

[HogPharmer]

Bad call BUT players are too NEVER put their hands on a Ref period.

The ref initiated the contact

[Inhogswetrust]

The ref initiated the contact

I didn't see it that way but to each his own. Like I said bad call. We do have to wonder what was said also.

O. K. I went back and looked at it again and you could be right. However Refs can initiate contact IF they think the play or result afterwards might "get out of hand". We see Refs holding back players all the time when they think a fight or even words might be exchanged. But like I said, bad call.

[Dark Helmet Hog]

Terrible call. Right up there with the time we got ripped at Florida.

[Boarcephus]

Just interviewed Stoops and he handled it well

[Sow Lancelot]

Bad call BUT players are too NEVER put their hands on a Ref period. Also I couldn't hear what he said to him either. Must have been bad.

So, if he'd allowed the ref to help him up and grabbed his arms at the same time, he should have been ejected?

[Tuskarilla]

There should be a system in place where a referee can be ejected from the game!

[HogFansReunited]

I didn't see it that way but to each his own. Like I said bad call. We do have to wonder what was said also.

Some people just like to argue.

[Razorback_Mack]

I didn't see it that way but to each his own. Like I said bad call. We do have to wonder what was said also.

I'd watch it again.

[Inhogswetrust]

I'd watch it again.

I did and updated my post. Either way IF a penalty is called then still no reason to eject in that instance and I never thought that there was reason to.

[Razorback_Mack]

Some people just like to argue.

Yep. Statements like that just go to show you how ridiculous people can be.

[hogcards]

Just interviewed Stoops and he handled it well

He should have pulled his team off the field until they corrected the issue. Holtz did that when he was at Dame.

[Inhogswetrust]

So, if he'd allowed the ref to help him up and grabbed his arms at the same time, he should have been ejected?

We aren't certain that's what was happening but it could have been. As I said I'm curious as to what was said. That could have made a difference perhaps.

[Atlhogfan1]

The no call on the hit on Johnson then flagging UK for complaining was complete darn as well. 

[Sow Lancelot]

We aren't certain that's what was happening but it could have been. As I said I'm curious as to what was said. That could have made a difference perhaps.

Whhuuuutt?

[Inhogswetrust]

Whhuuuutt?

Did you hear what he said to the Ref? I didn't.

[Razorback_Mack]

We aren't certain that's what was happening but it could have been. As I said I'm curious as to what was said. That could have made a difference perhaps.

"What was said," IF anything,  would only amount to a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct foul. The player was ejected. I don't care if he called him worthless piece of s***. That doesn't warrant an ejection. Anybody that's been near a sideline or out there on the sanctuary knows how it gets.

[Ugly Uncle]

We aren't certain that's what was happening but it could have been. As I said I'm curious as to what was said. That could have made a difference perhaps.

As an official you have to take the emotion of the game into consideration.

There wasn't any reason for the player to be upset with the ref.  Any emotion would have been focused at someone/something else.  You don't need to be thinned skinned.

Give the kid a warning.  That would have handled any problem that existed at the moment.

It was obvious the kid did not touch him with malice. 

[rude1]

Now that is completely unacceptable, the ref gets his feelings hurt because the player refuses his hand up and throws him out? This guy should never work a game again at any level down to and including pee wee level!!!!!

[Inhogswetrust]

"What was said," IF anything,  would only amount to a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct foul. The player was ejected. I don't care if he called him worthless piece of s***. That doesn't warrant an ejection. Anybody that's been near a sideline or out there on the sanctuary knows how it gets.

Hearing someone say that on the sideline is one thing. Looking directly at the Ref and saying it is another. If he did indeed say that directly to the Ref right in front of his face to him then yes he deserved ejection. Without knowing what was said and only going by what we see then no he did not deserve ejection.

[TeufelHog]

Makes me wonder what "audio" accompanied that "video."  Wonder if that Kentucky player was running his mouth at the Referee in addition to the hand issue?

[rude1]

Hearing someone say that on the sideline is one thing. Looking directly at the Ref and saying it is another. If he did indeed say that directly to the Ref right in front of his face to him then yes he deserved ejection. Without knowing what was said and only going by what we see then no he did not deserve ejection.

As others have stated, some people just want to argue. The ref interjected himself into that, not the other way around. If you approach a player for no reason and he tells you to F.....off, that doesn't give you the right to toss him.

[Inhogswetrust]

As others have stated, some people just want to argue. The ref interjected himself into that, not the other way around. If you approach a player for no reason and he tells you to F.....off, that doesn't give you the right to toss him.

Ask some of the Refs on here if true or not if that is said to them if they might eject a player or not.

[Ugly Uncle]

Ask some of the Refs on here if true or not if that is said to them if they might eject a player or not.

I'm telling you I wouldn't never eject a player for that.

Now, if he was up in my face bumping me and cussing...then yes.

The kid was walking away from him.

I certainly would flag a kid for cussing.  Flag him every single time he cussed after that.  Wouldn't kick him out and claim it was for him touching me.

The touch was without malice.  The player was walking away.  There is zero reason to kick a kid out right there.

[Inhogswetrust]

As an official you have to take the emotion of the game into consideration.

There wasn't any reason for the player to be upset with the ref.  Any emotion would have been focused at someone/something else.  You don't need to be thinned skinned.

Give the kid a warning.  That would have handled any problem that existed at the moment.

It was obvious the kid did not touch him with malice. 

Emotions can go too far even for some Refs both physically and verbally. Agree it appears he didn't touch him with malice. That's why I wonder what was said. As you know there is a lot of subjectivity in being a Ref with some calls. That's why fans can get so upset over calls.

[Razorback_Mack]

Hearing someone say that on the sideline is one thing. Looking directly at the Ref and saying it is another. If he did indeed say that directly to the Ref right in front of his face to him then yes he deserved ejection. Without knowing what was said and only going by what we see then no he did not deserve ejection.

There is no "deserve." Rules are there for a reason. The first thing any good official is gonna do is tell the coaches  "hey you better talk to #10." If it happens again he'll throw a flag and back them up 15 and tell the coach to get him out of there. I don't even know if it happens a 3rd time if you throw a player out for talking. Trash talking  and cussing are so common even in high school that officials just let it go.

[Inhogswetrust]

There is no "deserve." Rules are there for a reason. The first thing any good official is gonna do is tell the coaches  "hey you better talk to #10." If it happens again he'll throw a flag and back them up 15 and tell the coach to get him out of there. I don't even know if it happens a 3rd time if you throw a player out for talking. Trash talking  and cussing are so common even in high school that officials just let it go.

Oh bull. Rules are interpreted all the time. Yes cussing occurs. It's not like someone getting shot. The difference in assault with a deadly weapon and murder is VERY clear and obvious.

[Sow Lancelot]

Did you hear what he said to the Ref? I didn't.

I did not. Yet, that had nothing to do with your assertion about touching refs or about my hypothetical in response.

[rude1]

Emotions can go too far even for some Refs both physically and verbally. Agree it appears he didn't touch him with malice. That's why I wonder what was said. As you know there is a lot of subjectivity in being a Ref with some calls. That's why fans can get so upset over calls.

Why can't you understand that it was said "HE WAS KICKED OUT FOR TOUCHING THE REF"!!!! So your constant deflecting speculation to what was said has no merit.

[Ugly Uncle]

There is no "deserve." Rules are there for a reason. The first thing any good official is gonna do is tell the coaches  "hey you better talk to #10." If it happens again he'll throw a flag and back them up 15 and tell the coach to get him out of there. I don't even know if it happens a 3rd time if you throw a player out for talking. Trash talking  and cussing are so common even in high school that officials just let it go.

There was one crew that I worked with when I started that the white hat wouldn't let any cussing go.  He would flag for any cuss word.  I like that.

When I became a white hat I let some of it go.  I didn't allow the F word at all.  If a player got hit or something happen and I heard the S word I would say..."Hey, be careful with your language number 10" or say something like "easy now..." 

Never would I kick a player out for cussing though.

In what I just saw, I might have thrown a flag if the player just cussed me.  I would have felt guilty about it though.  I would have thought, "well, I should have known better than to get up on him like that in that situation."

[Razorback_Mack]

Oh bull. Rules are interpreted all the time. Yes cussing occurs. It's not like someone getting shot. The difference in assault with a deadly weapon and murder is VERY clear and obvious.

There must be precedent then. Show me anything remotely similar to what we saw and a player was immediately ejected. Good luck on your search. We've been playing football for over 100 years with millions of games. Should be easy.

This entire conversation is stupid anyway. It doesn't matter what he said. He was ejected for contact with an official when the official initiated the contact. He wasn't ejected for unsportsmanlike conduct.

[Atlhogfan1]

Obvious incomplete pass and of course ref missed it and now wasting time on a review. 

[Ironhawg]

Looked like the ref got his feelings hurt because Snell didn't want any help getting up. The ref definitely initiated contact first.

What the heck was the official doing?  It looked to me like he initiated contact with Snell.

[Inhogswetrust]

There must be precedent then. Show me anything remotely similar to what we saw and a player was immediately ejected. Good luck on your search. We've been playing football for over 100 years with millions of games. Should be easy.

This entire conversation is stupid anyway. It doesn't matter what he said. He was ejected for contact with an official when the official initiated the contact. He wasn't ejected for unsportsmanlike conduct.

If being a Ref was easy everyone would do it.................Besides there have been MILLIONS of questionable calls in football. What part of humans not being perfect do you not understand.

[Razorback_Mack]

If being a Ref was easy everyone would do it.................Besides there have been MILLIONS of questionable calls in football. What part of humans not being perfect do you not understand.

The guy that made that call doesn't have the right temperament for the trade. No knock on him. Some people can't perform certain professions. Do you want a surgeon operating on you that's afraid of blood? A teacher that hates kids? A cabby that gets car sick? If he gets that butt hurt over something like that and he's a major college football official then the job isn't for him.

[rude1]

The guy that made that call doesn't have the right temperament for the trade. No knock on him. Some people can't perform certain professions. Do you want a surgeon operating on you that's afraid of blood? A teacher that hates kids? A cabby that gets car sick? If he gets that butt hurt over something like that and he's a major college football official then the job isn't for him.

This is how I feel. That one act tells me that guy has no business wearing a ref uniform at any level. His ego is way to big for the position, because it was clearly his bruised ego that caused him to lash out with his authority to show the kid who was in charge.

[HogFansReunited]

Wow, why go for it there?

[PossumFan]

If being a Ref was easy everyone would do it.................Besides there have been MILLIONS of questionable calls in football. What part of humans not being perfect do you not understand.

Why are you so hellbent on defending this putz?

[Atlhogfan1]

Stupid 2pt play. 

[HogBreath]

SMH.  Obviously a horrible call, yet we have a goof on here wanting to argue about it.  Classic.

[HogFansReunited]

SMH.  Obviously a horrible call, yet we have a goof on here wanting to argue about it.  Classic.

Yep, like I said earlier, some people just want to argue no matter how obvious something is.

[HogFansReunited]

Stupid 2pt play. 

Agree