ole Miss

[hogfanny]

Still gettin blue chips. That spankin must have really hurt.

[kp72204]

Indeed!!!!

[Beached]

Give them their due, they at least play the recruiting game to win.

[Calling All Hogs]

In five years....

[Al Boarland]

Still gettin blue chips. That spankin must have really hurt.

Even with the NCAA troubles they still elevated their recruiting profile.

[hogfanny]

Give them their due, they at least play the recruiting game to win.

Right you are! Dam the torpedoes,no holds barred. If alabama can afford 2 playoff caliber teams we should be able to buy 1 or 2. Come on Uncle Jerry!!! 
GO HOGS GO

[nightrider388]

Give them their due, they at least pay the recruits to win.

Fixed your errors.

[jst01]

Ok some of you will laugh and some will probably call me crazy and prejudiced but Ole Miss will always recruit more blue chips for one big reason. Most blue chips are African American and whether they are from Miss, Louisiana, Alabama or Georgia; those African American players want to live and go to school in an area where they are still involved and have access to the African American culture. That way if life is there in the delta of Mississippi. It's is NOT here in Northwest Arkansas. It's not even close.

It doesn't matter who the coach is, that area of the country will always draw more African Americans than Fayetteville.

And spare me the comments about how USC or Notre Dame gets blue chip African Americans so it can't be a culture thing.. we are talking Ole Miss and their ability to always pull in stud players no matter what is going on in their program.

[razorpimp]

Ok some of you will laugh and some will probably call me crazy and prejudiced but Ole Miss will always recruit more blue chips for one big reason. Most blue chips are African American and whether they are from Miss, Louisiana, Alabama or Georgia; those African American players want to live and go to school in an area where they are still involved and have access to the African American culture. That way if life is there in the delta of Mississippi. It's is NOT here in Northwest Arkansas. It's not even close.

It doesn't matter who the coach is, that area of the country will always draw more African Americans than Fayetteville.

And spare me the comments about how USC or Notre Dame gets blue chip African Americans so it can't be a culture thing.. we are talking Ole Miss and their ability to always pull in stud players no matter what is going on in their program.

No laughing here you are exactly right...I live in Mississippi, they have waaayyyy more football talent than Arkansas, then you add in all the JUCO talent...every crappy JUCO in MS has a football program.  It's all in the numbers...AR and MS roughly have the same population around 3MM...AR percentage of African Americans is 15% and in MS the % is 37%....plus add in the fact of the location of the university...it's just tougher

[nightrider388]

Also, some of these players families are not in the greatest financial shape and sometimes having their family able to go to games and be close to home are probably a deciding factor.

[supersaint]

Ok some of you will laugh and some will probably call me crazy and prejudiced but Ole Miss will always recruit more blue chips for one big reason. Most blue chips are African American and whether they are from Miss, Louisiana, Alabama or Georgia; those African American players want to live and go to school in an area where they are still involved and have access to the African American culture. That way if life is there in the delta of Mississippi. It's is NOT here in Northwest Arkansas. It's not even close.

It doesn't matter who the coach is, that area of the country will always draw more African Americans than Fayetteville.

And spare me the comments about how USC or Notre Dame gets blue chip African Americans so it can't be a culture thing.. we are talking Ole Miss and their ability to always pull in stud players no matter what is going on in their program.

There's truth here.  This was 20+ years ago, but I had talented teammates leave Fayetteville due to these reasons.  One was a great linebacker from TX. Obviously, the area has changed some.

[bob slydell]

Yet they are still sitting behind Vandy in recruiting.  Not sure they are setting the world on fire with there recruiting.

[KevinOMReb]

Much truth here.  And the class of 19 has 4 top 100 (although the state of Arkansas does have 2 in Henry and Burks, both most likely Hog bound). And 12 of the top 300.  2019 Mississippi HS football class is loaded. 

And we've had this discussion before, but the demise of Pulaski Co football has really been a thorn in the Hogs side.  Even to the 1980's Central Arkansas was a giant funnel of top talent to Fayetteville.  Now other than NLR and possibly PA, there is nothing here. Fair, Hall, Parkview, Central, Mills, none have ANY D-1 players COMBINED!  An occasional Pulaski Robinson kid.  Hard to believe.  And Pine Bluff area is void of D1 talent too.  Add those two together and it makes it difficult. 

[KevinOMReb]

Yet they are still sitting behind Vandy in recruiting.  Not sure they are setting the world on fire with there recruiting.

We have fewer committed at this time.  And we have 7-8 spots still to fill, mostly with 4 star kids (Ezzard, Battle, etc).  It's not a top 20 class but for what we've had to put up with an NCAA vendetta, I'm quite pleased.  Luke, Peeler and Longo are good recruiters. And it didn't hurt that MSU was in disarray and hired a coach and staff from the Northeast.  Let's see how that plays out in 3-4 years. 

[RazorPiggie]

They have as many 4*s signed as we do.

[bob slydell]

We have fewer committed at this time.  And we have 7-8 spots still to fill, mostly with 4 star kids (Ezzard, Battle, etc).  It's not a top 20 class but for what we've had to put up with an NCAA vendetta, I'm quite pleased.  Luke, Peeler and Longo are good recruiters. And it didn't hurt that MSU was in disarray and hired a coach and staff from the Northeast.  Let's see how that plays out in 3-4 years.

The average player rating is .02 higher than Vandy.  You aren't setting the world on fire.  And I could maybe take you seriously if you hadn't referred to getting busted as an "NCAA vendetta". 

[LRRandy]

We have fewer committed at this time.  And we have 7-8 spots still to fill, mostly with 4 star kids (Ezzard, Battle, etc).  It's not a top 20 class but for what we've had to put up with an NCAA vendetta, I'm quite pleased.  Luke, Peeler and Longo are good recruiters. And it didn't hurt that MSU was in disarray and hired a coach and staff from the Northeast.  Let's see how that plays out in 3-4 years.

vendetta. Haha. Is that how you rationalize it. I guess rebel gonna rebel.

[DeltaBoy]

Ole Miss was aided by Mullen leaving MSU.

[J-Five]

Ok some of you will laugh and some will probably call me crazy and prejudiced but Ole Miss will always recruit more blue chips for one big reason. Most blue chips are African American and whether they are from Miss, Louisiana, Alabama or Georgia; those African American players want to live and go to school in an area where they are still involved and have access to the African American culture. That way if life is there in the delta of Mississippi. It's is NOT here in Northwest Arkansas. It's not even close.

It doesn't matter who the coach is, that area of the country will always draw more African Americans than Fayetteville.

And spare me the comments about how USC or Notre Dame gets blue chip African Americans so it can't be a culture thing.. we are talking Ole Miss and their ability to always pull in stud players no matter what is going on in their program.

Hit the nail squarely on its head...

[zebradynasty]

Ok some of you will laugh and some will probably call me crazy and prejudiced but Ole Miss will always recruit more blue chips for one big reason. Most blue chips are African American and whether they are from Miss, Louisiana, Alabama or Georgia; those African American players want to live and go to school in an area where they are still involved and have access to the African American culture. That way if life is there in the delta of Mississippi. It's is NOT here in Northwest Arkansas. It's not even close.

It doesn't matter who the coach is, that area of the country will always draw more African Americans than Fayetteville.

And spare me the comments about how USC or Notre Dame gets blue chip African Americans so it can't be a culture thing.. we are talking Ole Miss and their ability to always pull in stud players no matter what is going on in their program.

AMEN! Sometimes we are so busy looking down at Mississippi that we don't notice that Mississippi is looking down on us! USC and Notre Dame get blue chips from inner cities or impoverished MS or Alabama....because they are USC and Notre Dame. Kids and their families are willing to make changes for the prestige of attending a university like that. Not so much for Arkansas who they feel is on par with Ole Miss and MS State (talking about MS kids) so why come all the way to Fayetteville? Now it is beyond me (and evidently the NCAA too) to figure out why a blue chip African American athlete from another state would go to Ole Miss or Miss State! Ole Miss not only has bad history with treatment of AA their current isn't the best either.

The only thing I guess that UA can do is keep pulling out all stops to get these AA blue chippers to at least visit and see for themselves that Fayetteville isn't what they heard about. Now it's not the ATL but certainly better than Oxford and Starksville... 

[Uncle Remus]

You know SMU kept landing players after their first set of sanctions during the old "Pony Excess" days.  There is a certain amount of calculated risk they are willing to(always going to) take until a hammer truly lands a death blow on them like SMU.  If they continue to land big recruits, the bowl bans, reduced scholarships and all of that is not going to matter as long as they get enough to still make a difference.  They may have gotten a blow from a small claw hammer, but it would take a jackhammer to stop what is going on there.

[razorpimp]

Much truth here.  And the class of 19 has 4 top 100 (although the state of Arkansas does have 2 in Henry and Burks, both most likely Hog bound). And 12 of the top 300.  2019 Mississippi HS football class is loaded. 

And we've had this discussion before, but the demise of Pulaski Co football has really been a thorn in the Hogs side.  Even to the 1980's Central Arkansas was a giant funnel of top talent to Fayetteville.  Now other than NLR and possibly PA, there is nothing here. Fair, Hall, Parkview, Central, Mills, none have ANY D-1 players COMBINED!  An occasional Pulaski Robinson kid.  Hard to believe.  And Pine Bluff area is void of D1 talent too.  Add those two together and it makes it difficult.

NCAA vendetta....hahaha!  That is such BS from fans of a school that got busted blatantly cheating, hiring escorts for players/recruits, etc...I live in Oxford and yes it's good for Mississippi but that's not saying much...I hear that bs all the time...

Mississippi University (I loved that Mullen refused to acknowledge the stupid nickname of Ole Miss) cheated, got caught, got
Barely busted, and is back to cheating again...hopefully when they get caught this time they will really get hammered...and Joe Moorhead will be handing it to the Rebel black bears every year now...he's a damn good coach

[hog of steele]

we've had to put up with an NCAA vendetta,

LOL. When your recruit goes on national tv and talks about how he got paid, it has to hurt a little. When you pay a player and he goes somewhere else and gets immunity to talk about how you paid him, it has to hurt a little.

For what happened with Lil Ol Miss, you should be pretty excited that the punishment wasnt worse.

[NaturalStateReb]

We have fewer committed at this time.  And we have 7-8 spots still to fill, mostly with 4 star kids (Ezzard, Battle, etc).  It's not a top 20 class but for what we've had to put up with an NCAA vendetta, I'm quite pleased.  Luke, Peeler and Longo are good recruiters. And it didn't hurt that MSU was in disarray and hired a coach and staff from the Northeast.  Let's see how that plays out in 3-4 years. 

Considering everything, we're having a very good early signing period.  It could be a lot worse.

[TeufelHog]

Here's what amazes me . . . the players at Ole Miss, you know, the one's that cheated . . . received no repercussions.  School took the hit, but the players continued to play.  Continued you receive the scholly.  Continued to get the air time on TV for NFL scouts.  Continued to be eligible/win national awards and recognition.  Just seems crazy that the actual cheaters were never held accountable.  Can't go to a bowl game or two . . . oh my.

[hog of steele]

Here's what amazes me . . . the players at Ole Miss, you know, the one's that cheated . . . received no repercussions.  School took the hit, but the players continued to play.  Continued you receive the scholly.  Continued to get the air time on TV for NFL scouts.  Continued to be eligible/win national awards and recognition.  Just seems crazy that the actual cheaters were never held accountable.  Can't go to a bowl game or two . . . oh my.

The kids didn't cheat on their own. But your point is fair. I think the difficulty is proving who got paid. When you have one go on TV and say it, its easy but if the school is denying payola as part of their defense, how do you prove it?

When kids get caught receiving money they get punished. Unless they are cam newton. Or that rich kid from aTm.

[Uncle Remus]

The only time I can really think of the player having to pay for improper benefits would be Reggie Bush giving back the Heisman.  I think he only did that due to the fact he had been told that the Heisman committee had taken a straw poll and was informed that if he did not return it, a formal vote was coming down to strip him of it.  In the end...he saved face and dated a Kardashian for a while...he was okay with his "punishment".

[hog of steele]

The only time I can really think of the player having to pay for improper benefits would be Reggie Bush giving back the Heisman.  I think he only did that due to the fact he had been told that the Heisman committee had taken a straw poll and was informed that if he did not return it, a formal vote was coming down to strip him of it.  In the end...he saved face and dated a Kardashian for a while...he was okay with his "punishment".

There have been plenty of players ruled ineligible for improper benefits. The better ones just go pro.

[hogfanny]

There have been plenty of players ruled ineligible for improper benefits. The better ones just go pro.

Well then it is refreshing to surmise that the ole miss team either are not very good or have gone pro already....C'mone Jerry it will only hurt just at first.