Would Texas had won if.....

[brooks74]

With V. Young!!!!!!!!!!!

....they had been in the SEC last year? I can't stand Mark May from ESPN, he said even if the Whorns had been in the SEC last year that they would have won the title and gone undefeated. So, they would have beaten ANY SEC team last year............
I think they would have lost at least 2 and more than likely, 3!!!!!!!!!

Whatttayathink??

I think you're rediculous.

It was possible for Auburn to make it through the almighty SEC without a scratch in 2004, but the best Texas team in over three decades defeating the best D1 team we've seen since Miami in the 90's couldn't?  And they would have "more than likely" lost THREE games?

My God, some of y'all are morons.

If you think Texas would have beaten Auburn last year.....I want some of what your smokin!

they would've beaten Auburn 9 out of 10 times.  Tell me why they wouldn't have.

The teams at the top of the SEC faltered against some bad teams. 

Texas would not have lost to GaTech like Auburn did.
Texas would not have lost to Tennessee at home like LSU did
Texas would not have lost to WVU at home like UGA did

It was not a normal year for the SEC.  Do you remember before the Rose Bowl all the coverage about USC being the greatest of all time?  Are you telling me they lost, with a month to prepare, to a team that would have three losses in the SEC?

I will have what YOU are smoking.

What are you smoking?  beating Auburn 9 out of 10 times?  There is no freaking way. 

[Sir Kam of Luap]

rediculous or rIdiculous?

Sorry, I should have written preposterous. 

Aurburn lost to GT and Wisconsin last year, so yes, I believe Texas would have beat up on the Tigers as well.

Take your hatred for all things Texas out of your argument, and you will see that yes, they would have most likely gone undefeated last year in the SEC.

BTW, all of these arguments about how strong the SEC was last year just makes the Razorbacks look even worse than their 4-7 record would indicate.  So we got that going for us.

[boomo26]

Take a look at a few numbers

SEC NON-CONFERENCE RECORD [30-12 (.714)]
(*-Includes bowl games; Using current conference alignment)

               2005   --------------
Conference     App.  W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC             6    4-2   .667   3-2
Big East        2    0-2   .000   0-1
Big Ten         3    1-2   .333   2-2
Big 12          2    1-1   .500   1-1
C-USA           7    6-1   .857   3-3
MAC             1    1-0  1.000   2-1
Mountain West   2    1-1   .500   1-1
Pac-10          2    1-1   .500   1-0
Sun Belt        6    5-1   .833   9-0
WAC             3    3-0  1.000   2-0
I-A Ind.        1    0-1   .000   0-2
I-AA Schools    7    7-0  1.000   4-1

Last year the Big 12 was 1-1 against the SEC, Missouri def. South Carolina, 38-31; Alabama def. Texas Tech, 13-10

OVERALL NON-CONFERENCE RECORDS
(Includes Bowl Games)

                 2005   ------------
Conference        W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC              27-7   .794   27-13
ACC              32-10  .762   27-13
Big East         20-16  .556   24-16
Big Ten          31-10  .756   27-14
Big 12           36-8   .818   32-11
Conference USA   18-24  .429   17-21
MAC              14-24  .368   12-35
Mountain West    15-17  .469   18-17
Pac-10           26-10  .722   23-13
SEC              30-12  .714   28-14
Sun Belt          6-27  .182    9-28
Western Athletic 10-24  .294   19-18

Look at the overall win Pct, the Big 12 is #1, the SEC is not 2nd, or 3rd they are 4th.  Granted we do have some very good teams in our conference, but when the SEC goes out of conference we do not do very well. 
So if Texas did play in the SEC, they probably would have gone undefeated, The SEC has not done very well in the past.

Boomo

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

You and Marty Houston's Retard have missed the whole point.  You are talking in one game scenarios and not taking into consideration what makes the SEC difficult.

It's the blind leading the blind, they're starting to sound like HiM!

[HogFather]

Mark May is an azz.  He always talks down about the SEC.  I didn't even realize he still had a job.  Good for him.

[Atreyu]

Alabama's D would've ate Vince Young up.

[nwarazfan]

Take a look at a few numbers

SEC NON-CONFERENCE RECORD [30-12 (.714)]
(*-Includes bowl games; Using current conference alignment)

               2005   --------------
Conference     App.  W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC             6    4-2   .667   3-2
Big East        2    0-2   .000   0-1
Big Ten         3    1-2   .333   2-2
Big 12          2    1-1   .500   1-1
C-USA           7    6-1   .857   3-3
MAC             1    1-0  1.000   2-1
Mountain West   2    1-1   .500   1-1
Pac-10          2    1-1   .500   1-0
Sun Belt        6    5-1   .833   9-0
WAC             3    3-0  1.000   2-0
I-A Ind.        1    0-1   .000   0-2
I-AA Schools    7    7-0  1.000   4-1

Last year the Big 12 was 1-1 against the SEC, Missouri def. South Carolina, 38-31; Alabama def. Texas Tech, 13-10

OVERALL NON-CONFERENCE RECORDS
(Includes Bowl Games)

                 2005   ------------
Conference        W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC              27-7   .794   27-13
ACC              32-10  .762   27-13
Big East         20-16  .556   24-16
Big Ten          31-10  .756   27-14
Big 12           36-8   .818   32-11
Conference USA   18-24  .429   17-21
MAC              14-24  .368   12-35
Mountain West    15-17  .469   18-17
Pac-10           26-10  .722   23-13
SEC              30-12  .714   28-14
Sun Belt          6-27  .182    9-28
Western Athletic 10-24  .294   19-18

Look at the overall win Pct, the Big 12 is #1, the SEC is not 2nd, or 3rd they are 4th.  Granted we do have some very good teams in our conference, but when the SEC goes out of conference we do not do very well. 
So if Texas did play in the SEC, they probably would have gone undefeated, The SEC has not done very well in the past.

Boomo

We aren't talking about Texass playing an SEC team in an OOC, one game scenario.  We are talking about Texass playing 8 games, likely in a row, against SEC competition and then having to beat UGa in Atlanta while hoping they are healthy from those 8 games.  Nice work but meaningless OOC stats.

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

Take a look at a few numbers

SEC NON-CONFERENCE RECORD [30-12 (.714)]
(*-Includes bowl games; Using current conference alignment)

               2005   --------------
Conference     App.  W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC             6    4-2   .667   3-2
Big East        2    0-2   .000   0-1
Big Ten         3    1-2   .333   2-2
Big 12          2    1-1   .500   1-1
C-USA           7    6-1   .857   3-3
MAC             1    1-0  1.000   2-1
Mountain West   2    1-1   .500   1-1
Pac-10          2    1-1   .500   1-0
Sun Belt        6    5-1   .833   9-0
WAC             3    3-0  1.000   2-0
I-A Ind.        1    0-1   .000   0-2
I-AA Schools    7    7-0  1.000   4-1

Last year the Big 12 was 1-1 against the SEC, Missouri def. South Carolina, 38-31; Alabama def. Texas Tech, 13-10

OVERALL NON-CONFERENCE RECORDS
(Includes Bowl Games)

                 2005   ------------
Conference        W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC              27-7   .794   27-13
ACC              32-10  .762   27-13
Big East         20-16  .556   24-16
Big Ten          31-10  .756   27-14
Big 12           36-8   .818   32-11
Conference USA   18-24  .429   17-21
MAC              14-24  .368   12-35
Mountain West    15-17  .469   18-17
Pac-10           26-10  .722   23-13
SEC              30-12  .714   28-14
Sun Belt          6-27  .182    9-28
Western Athletic 10-24  .294   19-18

Look at the overall win Pct, the Big 12 is #1, the SEC is not 2nd, or 3rd they are 4th.  Granted we do have some very good teams in our conference, but when the SEC goes out of conference we do not do very well. 
So if Texas did play in the SEC, they probably would have gone undefeated, The SEC has not done very well in the past.

Boomo

Take Texas out of that scenario, the % plummets. It's easy to win 10 games a year when you play cupcakes 90 % of the time, look at the competition in the SEC!

[James K. Pork]

Boomo26, for a comparison can you break down the Big 12 non-conference record like the table you provided for the SEC?

My reason for requesting this information is related to this article...

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/colleges/15109575.htm

[Boner]

You and Marty Houston's Retard have missed the whole point.  You are talking in one game scenarios and not taking into consideration what makes the SEC difficult.

It's the blind leading the blind, they're starting to sound like HiM!

The SEC, top to bottom wasn't that as tough last year as usual.  The 2005 Texas team was better than the 2004 Auburn team, who made it throught the SEC undefeated. 

I don't care how long the season is.  You say they would be worn down, but how many teams have the depth that Texas does?  Very few.  Sure, if Young went down, they would've been screwed, but that is reaching.

[Boner]

Take a look at a few numbers

SEC NON-CONFERENCE RECORD [30-12 (.714)]
(*-Includes bowl games; Using current conference alignment)

               2005   --------------
Conference     App.  W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC             6    4-2   .667   3-2
Big East        2    0-2   .000   0-1
Big Ten         3    1-2   .333   2-2
Big 12          2    1-1   .500   1-1
C-USA           7    6-1   .857   3-3
MAC             1    1-0  1.000   2-1
Mountain West   2    1-1   .500   1-1
Pac-10          2    1-1   .500   1-0
Sun Belt        6    5-1   .833   9-0
WAC             3    3-0  1.000   2-0
I-A Ind.        1    0-1   .000   0-2
I-AA Schools    7    7-0  1.000   4-1

Last year the Big 12 was 1-1 against the SEC, Missouri def. South Carolina, 38-31; Alabama def. Texas Tech, 13-10

OVERALL NON-CONFERENCE RECORDS
(Includes Bowl Games)

                 2005   ------------
Conference        W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC              27-7   .794   27-13
ACC              32-10  .762   27-13
Big East         20-16  .556   24-16
Big Ten          31-10  .756   27-14
Big 12           36-8   .818   32-11
Conference USA   18-24  .429   17-21
MAC              14-24  .368   12-35
Mountain West    15-17  .469   18-17
Pac-10           26-10  .722   23-13
SEC              30-12  .714   28-14
Sun Belt          6-27  .182    9-28
Western Athletic 10-24  .294   19-18

Look at the overall win Pct, the Big 12 is #1, the SEC is not 2nd, or 3rd they are 4th.  Granted we do have some very good teams in our conference, but when the SEC goes out of conference we do not do very well. 
So if Texas did play in the SEC, they probably would have gone undefeated, The SEC has not done very well in the past.

Boomo

Take Texas out of that scenario, the % plummets. It's easy to win 10 games a year when you play cupcakes 90 % of the time, look at the competition in the SEC!

that record was SEC teams against non-SEC teams.

[HatfieldHog]

Gentleman, as badly as I hate to give credit to anything related to Texas, they were good last year.  They would have beaten all SEC foes, and been national champions.  I guage this with their performance "AT" Ohio St. last year.  They played a really good, and fast Ohio St. team, that ran Notre Dame off the field in their bowl game.  Texas beat them at their house.  I watched that game, and Texas didn't play very well, and they still won.  I know that we love to hate on them, but even a blind man can see that they were notches above everyone else last year.

See ya

[nwarazfan]

Take a look at a few numbers

SEC NON-CONFERENCE RECORD [30-12 (.714)]
(*-Includes bowl games; Using current conference alignment)

               2005   --------------
Conference     App.  W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC             6    4-2   .667   3-2
Big East        2    0-2   .000   0-1
Big Ten         3    1-2   .333   2-2
Big 12          2    1-1   .500   1-1
C-USA           7    6-1   .857   3-3
MAC             1    1-0  1.000   2-1
Mountain West   2    1-1   .500   1-1
Pac-10          2    1-1   .500   1-0
Sun Belt        6    5-1   .833   9-0
WAC             3    3-0  1.000   2-0
I-A Ind.        1    0-1   .000   0-2
I-AA Schools    7    7-0  1.000   4-1

Last year the Big 12 was 1-1 against the SEC, Missouri def. South Carolina, 38-31; Alabama def. Texas Tech, 13-10

OVERALL NON-CONFERENCE RECORDS
(Includes Bowl Games)

                 2005   ------------
Conference        W-L    Pct.  2004
ACC              27-7   .794   27-13
ACC              32-10  .762   27-13
Big East         20-16  .556   24-16
Big Ten          31-10  .756   27-14
Big 12           36-8   .818   32-11
Conference USA   18-24  .429   17-21
MAC              14-24  .368   12-35
Mountain West    15-17  .469   18-17
Pac-10           26-10  .722   23-13
SEC              30-12  .714   28-14
Sun Belt          6-27  .182    9-28
Western Athletic 10-24  .294   19-18

Look at the overall win Pct, the Big 12 is #1, the SEC is not 2nd, or 3rd they are 4th.  Granted we do have some very good teams in our conference, but when the SEC goes out of conference we do not do very well. 
So if Texas did play in the SEC, they probably would have gone undefeated, The SEC has not done very well in the past.

Boomo

Take Texas out of that scenario, the % plummets. It's easy to win 10 games a year when you play cupcakes 90 % of the time, look at the competition in the SEC!

Texass' schedule:
UL Laf
at Oh St
Rice
BYE
at Mizzou
OU (neutral location)
Col
Tex Tech
at Ok St
at Baylor
KU
BYE
at Tex A&M

CU in Little 12 Ch game with a home crowd

Forget ooc numbers- waste of time- look at this schedule and then have them trade conf scheds with an LSU or Florida or Auburn.  What a joke- road games at Mizzou, Ok St, BU and T A&M.  That schedule is laughable.

[nwarazfan]

Gentleman, as badly as I hate to give credit to anything related to Texas, they were good last year.  They would have beaten all SEC foes, and been national champions.  I guage this with their performance "AT" Ohio St. last year.  They played a really good, and fast Ohio St. team, that ran Notre Dame off the field in their bowl game.  Texas beat them at their house.  I watched that game, and Texas didn't play very well, and they still won.  I know that we love to hate on them, but even a blind man can see that they were notches above everyone else last year.

See ya

They didn't play very well because Oh St was every bit as good as they were except for one position.  Again, you are talking one game and not 8.

[Pork Twain]

Gentleman, as badly as I hate to give credit to anything related to Texas, they were good last year.  They would have beaten all SEC foes, and been national champions.  I guage this with their performance "AT" Ohio St. last year.  They played a really good, and fast Ohio St. team, that ran Notre Dame off the field in their bowl game.  Texas beat them at their house.  I watched that game, and Texas didn't play very well, and they still won.  I know that we love to hate on them, but even a blind man can see that they were notches above everyone else last year.

See ya

They didn't play very well because Oh St was every bit as good as they were except for one position.  Again, you are talking one game and not 8.

I wish we only had to get up for one conference game a year (Oklahomo) and one non-conference (Ohio St) and a bowl game.  In the SEC you better be redy every week or Vandy, ********, Miss St, Ole Miss and Arkansas will sneak up on you.  Even the doormats in the SEC play good defense which is a lot more than you can so for most of the Big-12 schools.

Texass played these defenses last year:
5 Ohio St.
11 Kansas
13 Oklahoma
30 Texas Tech
41 Colorado
48 Southern California
50 Missouri
63 Baylor
95 Oklahoma St.
107 Texas A&M
110 Rice

In the SEC they would have seen teams that were used to MJ and ranked:
2 Alabama
3 LSU
7 Tennessee
9 Florida
18 Georgia
19 Auburn
27 Mississippi
29 Mississippi St.
34 Arkansas
47 South Carolina
72 Vanderbilt
103 Kentucky

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2006&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

Gentleman, as badly as I hate to give credit to anything related to Texas, they were good last year.  They would have beaten all SEC foes, and been national champions.  I guage this with their performance "AT" Ohio St. last year.  They played a really good, and fast Ohio St. team, that ran Notre Dame off the field in their bowl game.  Texas beat them at their house.  I watched that game, and Texas didn't play very well, and they still won.  I know that we love to hate on them, but even a blind man can see that they were notches above everyone else last year.

See ya

They didn't play very well because Oh St was every bit as good as they were except for one position.  Again, you are talking one game and not 8.

+1

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

Gentleman, as badly as I hate to give credit to anything related to Texas, they were good last year.  They would have beaten all SEC foes, and been national champions.  I guage this with their performance "AT" Ohio St. last year.  They played a really good, and fast Ohio St. team, that ran Notre Dame off the field in their bowl game.  Texas beat them at their house.  I watched that game, and Texas didn't play very well, and they still won.  I know that we love to hate on them, but even a blind man can see that they were notches above everyone else last year.

See ya

They didn't play very well because Oh St was every bit as good as they were except for one position.  Again, you are talking one game and not 8.

+1

Again, +1

[boomo26]

We can guess all we want, but the only way you can look at is is non conference.  What if what if what if.  Does not matter.  Head to head the Big 12 wins more non conference games then any other conference.  This is the only way it can be looked at. 
VY was a one man team kind of like Matt Jones only better. 
In any other year i would say Texas would have lost several games, but not last year.

Boomo

[Robert Shields]

Texas was very fortunate to even beat USC.  USC should have had 21 more points at half time, but instead Reggie Bush lost his mind and pitched a fumble, Leinhart ignored his coach on fourth and one and did not call time out, and Leinhart threw a pass he never should have that was intercepted.  USC also got a terrible officiating call when the Texas receiver clearly caught and fumbled the ball in the fourth quarter deep in Texas territory that was recovered by USC that would have put the game away.  Instead of going with the ruling on the ground and after a very lengthy review the ball was given back to Texas as the judgment was made it was not a reception.  He clearly caught the ball in the air landed with two feet before being separated from the ball by a USC defender.  Regardless with such a close judgement call you stay with the ruling on the field with the official that was present.  Anyway, Pete Carroll would defense Vince Young totally different in a rematch.  Carroll out thought himself with a month to prepare as he set his defense to stop everyone else and make Vince Young beat them by himself and he did.  It was probably the most incredible one person display that I have ever seen.

[Boner]

Auburn's schedule last year:

Georgia Tech
Miss. State
Ball State
W. Kentucky
S. Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Georgia
Alabama

I think Texas would've gone through that undefeated.  Cakewalk throught the first six games, playing backups in the 2nd half of each, maybe having the starters in through 3 quarters against South Carolina.  Then play a tough one against LSU, but win.  Chill out for two weeks against OM and kentucky.  Tough one against UGA, and easily beat Bama.

Really just 3 tough game all year:  LSU, UGA, and Bama.  And those three together don't hold a candle to playing USC, Ohio State, and Tech.

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

Texas was very fortunate to even beat USC.  USC should have had 21 more points at half time, but instead Reggie Bush lost his mind and pitched a fumble, Leinhart ignored his coach on fourth and one and did not call time out, and Leinhart threw a pass he never should have that was intercepted.  USC also got a terrible officiating call when the Texas receiver clearly caught and fumbled the ball in the fourth quarter deep in Texas territory that was recovered by USC that would have put the game away.  Instead of going with the ruling on the ground and after a very lengthy review the ball was given back to Texas as the judgment was made it was not a reception.  He clearly caught the ball in the air landed with two feet before being separated from the ball by a USC defender.  Regardless with such a close judgement call you stay with the ruling on the field with the official that was present.  Anyway, Pete Carroll would defense Vince Young totally different in a rematch.  Carroll out thought himself with a month to prepare as he set his defense to stop everyone else and make Vince Young beat them by himself and he did.  It was probably the most incredible one person display that I have ever seen.

And just think, all those mistakes have nothing to do with Texas being unbeatable, kinda like when Jones fumbled in 04'!!!

[Boner]

Texas was very fortunate to even beat USC.  USC should have had 21 more points at half time, but instead Reggie Bush lost his mind and pitched a fumble, Leinhart ignored his coach on fourth and one and did not call time out, and Leinhart threw a pass he never should have that was intercepted.  USC also got a terrible officiating call when the Texas receiver clearly caught and fumbled the ball in the fourth quarter deep in Texas territory that was recovered by USC that would have put the game away.  Instead of going with the ruling on the ground and after a very lengthy review the ball was given back to Texas as the judgment was made it was not a reception.  He clearly caught the ball in the air landed with two feet before being separated from the ball by a USC defender.  Regardless with such a close judgement call you stay with the ruling on the field with the official that was present.  Anyway, Pete Carroll would defense Vince Young totally different in a rematch.  Carroll out thought himself with a month to prepare as he set his defense to stop everyone else and make Vince Young beat them by himself and he did.  It was probably the most incredible one person display that I have ever seen.

If Texas made dumb plays and lost because of it, would you say USC was lucky?  Your two Heisman trophy players should be smart enough to make the right plays.  They didn't and it cost them.  that's part of the game.

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

Texas was very fortunate to even beat USC.  USC should have had 21 more points at half time, but instead Reggie Bush lost his mind and pitched a fumble, Leinhart ignored his coach on fourth and one and did not call time out, and Leinhart threw a pass he never should have that was intercepted.  USC also got a terrible officiating call when the Texas receiver clearly caught and fumbled the ball in the fourth quarter deep in Texas territory that was recovered by USC that would have put the game away.  Instead of going with the ruling on the ground and after a very lengthy review the ball was given back to Texas as the judgment was made it was not a reception.  He clearly caught the ball in the air landed with two feet before being separated from the ball by a USC defender.  Regardless with such a close judgement call you stay with the ruling on the field with the official that was present.  Anyway, Pete Carroll would defense Vince Young totally different in a rematch.  Carroll out thought himself with a month to prepare as he set his defense to stop everyone else and make Vince Young beat them by himself and he did.  It was probably the most incredible one person display that I have ever seen.

If Texas made dumb plays and lost because of it, would you say USC was lucky?  Your two Heisman trophy players should be smart enough to make the right plays.  They didn't and it cost them.  that's part of the game.

This thread isn't about USC's bonehead plays, it's about Texas'  inability to go undefeated in the SEC!!

[Robert Shields]

Texas was very fortunate to even beat USC.  USC should have had 21 more points at half time, but instead Reggie Bush lost his mind and pitched a fumble, Leinhart ignored his coach on fourth and one and did not call time out, and Leinhart threw a pass he never should have that was intercepted.  USC also got a terrible officiating call when the Texas receiver clearly caught and fumbled the ball in the fourth quarter deep in Texas territory that was recovered by USC that would have put the game away.  Instead of going with the ruling on the ground and after a very lengthy review the ball was given back to Texas as the judgment was made it was not a reception.  He clearly caught the ball in the air landed with two feet before being separated from the ball by a USC defender.  Regardless with such a close judgement call you stay with the ruling on the field with the official that was present.  Anyway, Pete Carroll would defense Vince Young totally different in a rematch.  Carroll out thought himself with a month to prepare as he set his defense to stop everyone else and make Vince Young beat them by himself and he did.  It was probably the most incredible one person display that I have ever seen.

If Texas made dumb plays and lost because of it, would you say USC was lucky?  Your two Heisman trophy players should be smart enough to make the right plays.  They didn't and it cost them.  that's part of the game.

Texas (Vince Young) made great plays and that is why they won.  8 out of 10 USC wins that game but that is not the way it is done.

[Root Hog]

Texas wouldn't have even beaten USC if Reggie Bush had not had a case of temporary insanity.

No way they would have gone unbeaten in the SEC. 

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

Texas was very fortunate to even beat USC.  USC should have had 21 more points at half time, but instead Reggie Bush lost his mind and pitched a fumble, Leinhart ignored his coach on fourth and one and did not call time out, and Leinhart threw a pass he never should have that was intercepted.  USC also got a terrible officiating call when the Texas receiver clearly caught and fumbled the ball in the fourth quarter deep in Texas territory that was recovered by USC that would have put the game away.  Instead of going with the ruling on the ground and after a very lengthy review the ball was given back to Texas as the judgment was made it was not a reception.  He clearly caught the ball in the air landed with two feet before being separated from the ball by a USC defender.  Regardless with such a close judgement call you stay with the ruling on the field with the official that was present.  Anyway, Pete Carroll would defense Vince Young totally different in a rematch.  Carroll out thought himself with a month to prepare as he set his defense to stop everyone else and make Vince Young beat them by himself and he did.  It was probably the most incredible one person display that I have ever seen.

If Texas made dumb plays and lost because of it, would you say USC was lucky?  Your two Heisman trophy players should be smart enough to make the right plays.  They didn't and it cost them.  that's part of the game.

Texas (Vince Young) made great plays and that is why they won.  8 out of 10 USC wins that game but that is not the way it is done.

That's right, VY was an AMAZING player that night, but against a good calibre team, yes GOOD not GREAT, week in and week out, he gets his clock cleaned!!

[RhodeHog]

You have to figure injuries into the equation.  Texas would be more beat up if they played in the SEC, a much more physical conference.  The same point I tried to make to Cowherd last year. 

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

You have to figure injuries into the equation.  Texas would be more beat up if they played in the SEC, a much more physical conference.  The same point I tried to make to Cowherd last year. 

You DID, ARKANSAS BOY!!!!

[RhodeHog]

Yeah, but he's a bully!  He made me want to cry.   

[dj]

I just wanted to say that No Big 12 Team Besides Texas and OU could week in week out compete against the SEC,l can end this argument by saying pull up the numbers for players taken in the NFL draft,year in year out what conference has the most players taken. Texas was a good team,USC was untested in their 3 yr run they only played the true #2 team. Last year Texas,they didn't play LSU or Auburn. I lived in Texas the last 7 yrs. So I had to watch BIG 12 Football. Most teams we defeated when they walked on the field in half empty stadiums. Texas going to Death Valley,places like The Swamp,and Rocky Top,week in and week out,I doubt many teams in America can go into those environments and not be intimidiated. In the SEC its a bowl game every week. Even Vandy and Kentucky gives you a scare. KEEP in mind what happen to Miami against LSU look at that as a indicator when you match the non-conference against SEC power teams.

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

I lived in Texas the last 7 yrs. So I had to watch BIG 12 Football. Most teams we defeated when they walked on the field in half empty stadiums. Texas going to Death Valley,places like The Swamp,and Rocky Top,week in and week out,I doubt many teams in America can go into those environments and not be intimidiated. In the SEC its a bowl game every week. Even Vandy and Kentucky gives you a scare. KEEP in mind what happen to Miami against LSU look at that as a indicator when you match the non-conference against SEC power teams.

Good read, +1

[AUSTXHOG]

I think Texas would probably beat any team in the '05 SEC, but I don't think TX could beat them every week...  I don't know if that makes sense, but I'm saying TX is a 10 and the SEC has a bunch of 7's, 8's, and 9's...  If you have to play these teams every stinking week, you're eventually going to slip up and have a bad week...   

Totally agree with this... I think Texas could have beaten any SEC team in an early pre-season matchup...but to play week-in week-out... no way.. There would have ben a loss(es) somewhere in there.

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

I think Texas would probably beat any team in the '05 SEC, but I don't think TX could beat them every week...  I don't know if that makes sense, but I'm saying TX is a 10 and the SEC has a bunch of 7's, 8's, and 9's...  If you have to play these teams every stinking week, you're eventually going to slip up and have a bad week...   

Totally agree with this... I think Texas could have beaten any SEC team in an early pre-season matchup...but to play week-in week-out... no way.. There would have ben a loss(es) somewhere in there.

Thank yo, Austx!

[EastexHawg]

Auburn's schedule last year:

Georgia Tech
Miss. State
Ball State
W. Kentucky
S. Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Georgia
Alabama

I think Texas would've gone through that undefeated.  Cakewalk throught the first six games, playing backups in the 2nd half of each, maybe having the starters in through 3 quarters against South Carolina.  Then play a tough one against LSU, but win.  Chill out for two weeks against OM and kentucky.  Tough one against UGA, and easily beat Bama.

Really just 3 tough game all year:  LSU, UGA, and Bama.  And those three together don't hold a candle to playing USC, Ohio State, and Tech.

Yeah, take a look at Auburn's Murderer's Row schedule from 2005.  Wooo...that's some scary stuff!

Texas would have beaten the hell out of Auburn last year.

I think my favorite comment in this entire thread is..."They were lucky!!!"  They were lucky?  That explains it?  They beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl to end the 2004 season.  They beat Ohio State in Columbus...slaughtered Oklahoma on a neutral field...and beat a USC team that beat Arkansas 70-17 last year...and Auburn two straight times two years before that...and they were LUCKY?

And ALABAMA would have given them a tough game?  Based on what?  I don't know how you come up with that, but it's sure not this way:

2006 COTTON BOWL...ALABAMA 13, Texas Tech 10
10/22/06...TEXAS 52, Texas Tech 17

So it would have been impossible for Texas to go undefeated in the big, bad SEC.  Really?  So how do we explain Auburn in 2004... or Tennessee in 1998...or Florida's 34-2 SEC record from 1993-1996, including back-to-back undefeated SEC records in '95 and '96...or Alabama in 1992?

If I count right, that makes FIVE times in the last 14 years that a team has run through the mightly SEC undefeated and untied.  But...it would have been impossible for a Texas team that ended USC's 34-game winning streak in the Trojans' home stadium, and beat Ohio State on the road, and whipped Oklahoma 45-13 to do it. 

The almightly SEC stuff cracks me up.  Yes, the SEC is a tough conference...but to hear some of you guys talk, I halfway expect to hear that the 2006 conference season has been cancelled because the internationally-renowned superpower SEC is being called up by the President to end the war in Iraq...and occupy the war torn zone in southern Lebanon.

[RhodeHog]

The almightly SEC stuff cracks me up.  Yes, the SEC is a tough conference...but to hear some of you guys talk, I halfway expect to hear that the 2006 conference season has been cancelled because the internationally-renowned superpower SEC is being called up by the President to end the war in Iraq...and occupy the war torn zone in southern Lebanon.

Now that's funny stuff right there.   

[nwarazfan]

Auburn's schedule last year:

Georgia Tech
Miss. State
Ball State
W. Kentucky
S. Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Georgia
Alabama

I think Texas would've gone through that undefeated.  Cakewalk throught the first six games, playing backups in the 2nd half of each, maybe having the starters in through 3 quarters against South Carolina.  Then play a tough one against LSU, but win.  Chill out for two weeks against OM and kentucky.  Tough one against UGA, and easily beat Bama.

Really just 3 tough game all year:  LSU, UGA, and Bama.  And those three together don't hold a candle to playing USC, Ohio State, and Tech.

Yeah, take a look at Auburn's Murderer's Row schedule from 2005.  Wooo...that's some scary stuff!

Texas would have beaten the hell out of Auburn last year.

I think my favorite comment in this entire thread is..."They were lucky!!!"  They were lucky?  That explains it?  They beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl to end the 2004 season.  They beat Ohio State in Columbus...slaughtered Oklahoma on a neutral field...and beat a USC team that beat Arkansas 70-17 last year...and Auburn two straight times two years before that...and they were LUCKY?

And ALABAMA would have given them a tough game?  Based on what?  I don't know how you come up with that, but it's sure not this way:

2006 COTTON BOWL...ALABAMA 13, Texas Tech 10
10/22/06...TEXAS 52, Texas Tech 17

So it would have been impossible for Texas to go undefeated in the big, bad SEC.  Really?  So how do we explain Auburn in 2004... or Tennessee in 1998...or Florida's 34-2 SEC record from 1993-1996, including back-to-back undefeated SEC records in '95 and '96...or Alabama in 1992?

If I count right, that makes FIVE times in the last 14 years that a team has run through the mightly SEC undefeated and untied.  But...it would have been impossible for a Texas team that ended USC's 34-game winning streak in the Trojans' home stadium, and beat Ohio State on the road, and whipped Oklahoma 45-13 to do it. 

The almightly SEC stuff cracks me up.  Yes, the SEC is a tough conference...but to hear some of you guys talk, I halfway expect to hear that the 2006 conference season has been cancelled because the internationally-renowned superpower SEC is being called up by the President to end the war in Iraq...and occupy the war torn zone in southern Lebanon.

You like that lucky comment huh?  I guess that was great defense that forced the Ohio St TE to drop the TD pass.  I guess it was great defense that forced Reggie Bush to lateral the ball in the open field.  I guess it was great defense that Pete Carroll decided to not go with Reggie Bush on 4th down in the Rose Bowl.

To hear some of you talk, you would think you were Longhorn fans or have a Big 12 agenda. 

And last year's Texass TEAM was not as good as any of those SEC teams you named.

[razorback4ever]

Most National Champions have some luck go their way, be it a favorable schedule, opposition's stupid plays or turnovers at crucial moments, injuries to the other team, so on and so on. Every National Champion deserves praise for their accomplishment, especially if they are undefeated, regardless of the conference. The argument that Texas couldn't have done it in the SEC is really pointless. They did what they had to, when they had to, and won the national championship. I hate Texas as much as the rest of you, but give 'em props, whether VY drug them to it or not, they still did it.

[RhodeHog]

Most National Champions have some luck go their way, be it a favorable schedule, opposition's stupid plays or turnovers at crucial moments, injuries to the other team, so on and so on. Every National Champion deserves praise for their accomplishment, especially if they are undefeated, regardless of the conference. The argument that Texas couldn't have done it in the SEC is really pointless. They did what they had to, when they had to, and won the national championship. I hate Texas as much as the rest of you, but give 'em props, whether VY drug them to it or not, they still did it.

I wish they were in the SEC, then we wouldn't have to wonder anymore.

[Pork Twain]

Auburn's schedule last year:

Georgia Tech
Miss. State
Ball State
W. Kentucky
S. Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Georgia
Alabama

I think Texas would've gone through that undefeated.  Cakewalk throught the first six games, playing backups in the 2nd half of each, maybe having the starters in through 3 quarters against South Carolina.  Then play a tough one against LSU, but win.  Chill out for two weeks against OM and kentucky.  Tough one against UGA, and easily beat Bama.

Really just 3 tough game all year:  LSU, UGA, and Bama.  And those three together don't hold a candle to playing USC, Ohio State, and Tech.

Yeah, take a look at Auburn's Murderer's Row schedule from 2005.  Wooo...that's some scary stuff!

Texas would have beaten the hell out of Auburn last year.

I think my favorite comment in this entire thread is..."They were lucky!!!"  They were lucky?  That explains it?  They beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl to end the 2004 season.  They beat Ohio State in Columbus...slaughtered Oklahoma on a neutral field...and beat a USC team that beat Arkansas 70-17 last year...and Auburn two straight times two years before that...and they were LUCKY?

And ALABAMA would have given them a tough game?  Based on what?  I don't know how you come up with that, but it's sure not this way:

2006 COTTON BOWL...ALABAMA 13, Texas Tech 10
10/22/06...TEXAS 52, Texas Tech 17

So it would have been impossible for Texas to go undefeated in the big, bad SEC.  Really?  So how do we explain Auburn in 2004... or Tennessee in 1998...or Florida's 34-2 SEC record from 1993-1996, including back-to-back undefeated SEC records in '95 and '96...or Alabama in 1992?

If I count right, that makes FIVE times in the last 14 years that a team has run through the mightly SEC undefeated and untied.  But...it would have been impossible for a Texas team that ended USC's 34-game winning streak in the Trojans' home stadium, and beat Ohio State on the road, and whipped Oklahoma 45-13 to do it. 

The almightly SEC stuff cracks me up.  Yes, the SEC is a tough conference...but to hear some of you guys talk, I halfway expect to hear that the 2006 conference season has been cancelled because the internationally-renowned superpower SEC is being called up by the President to end the war in Iraq...and occupy the war torn zone in southern Lebanon.

You like that lucky comment huh?  I guess that was great defense that forced the Ohio St TE to frop the TD pass.  I guess it was great defense that forced Reggie Bush to lateral the ball in the open field.  I guess it was great defense that Pete Carroll decided to not got with Reggie Bush on 4th down in the Rose Bowl.

To hear some of you talk, you would think you were Longhorn fans or have a Big 12 agenda. 

And last year's Texass TEAM was not as good as any of those SEC teams you named.

It scares the hell out of me when we agree and it is times like these that give me hope for this season...

[Boner]

Auburn's schedule last year:

Georgia Tech
Miss. State
Ball State
W. Kentucky
S. Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Georgia
Alabama

I think Texas would've gone through that undefeated.  Cakewalk throught the first six games, playing backups in the 2nd half of each, maybe having the starters in through 3 quarters against South Carolina.  Then play a tough one against LSU, but win.  Chill out for two weeks against OM and kentucky.  Tough one against UGA, and easily beat Bama.

Really just 3 tough game all year:  LSU, UGA, and Bama.  And those three together don't hold a candle to playing USC, Ohio State, and Tech.

Yeah, take a look at Auburn's Murderer's Row schedule from 2005.  Wooo...that's some scary stuff!

Texas would have beaten the hell out of Auburn last year.

I think my favorite comment in this entire thread is..."They were lucky!!!"  They were lucky?  That explains it?  They beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl to end the 2004 season.  They beat Ohio State in Columbus...slaughtered Oklahoma on a neutral field...and beat a USC team that beat Arkansas 70-17 last year...and Auburn two straight times two years before that...and they were LUCKY?

And ALABAMA would have given them a tough game?  Based on what?  I don't know how you come up with that, but it's sure not this way:

2006 COTTON BOWL...ALABAMA 13, Texas Tech 10
10/22/06...TEXAS 52, Texas Tech 17

So it would have been impossible for Texas to go undefeated in the big, bad SEC.  Really?  So how do we explain Auburn in 2004... or Tennessee in 1998...or Florida's 34-2 SEC record from 1993-1996, including back-to-back undefeated SEC records in '95 and '96...or Alabama in 1992?

If I count right, that makes FIVE times in the last 14 years that a team has run through the mightly SEC undefeated and untied.  But...it would have been impossible for a Texas team that ended USC's 34-game winning streak in the Trojans' home stadium, and beat Ohio State on the road, and whipped Oklahoma 45-13 to do it. 

The almightly SEC stuff cracks me up.  Yes, the SEC is a tough conference...but to hear some of you guys talk, I halfway expect to hear that the 2006 conference season has been cancelled because the internationally-renowned superpower SEC is being called up by the President to end the war in Iraq...and occupy the war torn zone in southern Lebanon.

You like that lucky comment huh?  I guess that was great defense that forced the Ohio St TE to drop the TD pass.  I guess it was great defense that forced Reggie Bush to lateral the ball in the open field.  I guess it was great defense that Pete Carroll decided to not go with Reggie Bush on 4th down in the Rose Bowl.

To hear some of you talk, you would think you were Longhorn fans or have a Big 12 agenda. 

And last year's Texass TEAM was not as good as any of those SEC teams you named.

How many football games have you watched where a team DIDN'T make a mistake?  No interceptions, no fumbles, no dropped passes, no dropped interceptions, no missed blocks, no missed tackles, no missed field goals, no passes overthrown.........

I've never seen one in my life.  Just because Texas took advantage of USC and OSU's mistakes doesn't make them lucky.  That's how most teams win.  Texas made plenty of mistakes themselves in each of those games.

[Sir Kam of Luap]

Auburn's schedule last year:

Georgia Tech
Miss. State
Ball State
W. Kentucky
S. Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Georgia
Alabama

I think Texas would've gone through that undefeated.  Cakewalk throught the first six games, playing backups in the 2nd half of each, maybe having the starters in through 3 quarters against South Carolina.  Then play a tough one against LSU, but win.  Chill out for two weeks against OM and kentucky.  Tough one against UGA, and easily beat Bama.

Really just 3 tough game all year:  LSU, UGA, and Bama.  And those three together don't hold a candle to playing USC, Ohio State, and Tech.

Yeah, take a look at Auburn's Murderer's Row schedule from 2005.  Wooo...that's some scary stuff!

Texas would have beaten the hell out of Auburn last year.

I think my favorite comment in this entire thread is..."They were lucky!!!"  They were lucky?  That explains it?  They beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl to end the 2004 season.  They beat Ohio State in Columbus...slaughtered Oklahoma on a neutral field...and beat a USC team that beat Arkansas 70-17 last year...and Auburn two straight times two years before that...and they were LUCKY?

And ALABAMA would have given them a tough game?  Based on what?  I don't know how you come up with that, but it's sure not this way:

2006 COTTON BOWL...ALABAMA 13, Texas Tech 10
10/22/06...TEXAS 52, Texas Tech 17

So it would have been impossible for Texas to go undefeated in the big, bad SEC.  Really?  So how do we explain Auburn in 2004... or Tennessee in 1998...or Florida's 34-2 SEC record from 1993-1996, including back-to-back undefeated SEC records in '95 and '96...or Alabama in 1992?

If I count right, that makes FIVE times in the last 14 years that a team has run through the mightly SEC undefeated and untied.  But...it would have been impossible for a Texas team that ended USC's 34-game winning streak in the Trojans' home stadium, and beat Ohio State on the road, and whipped Oklahoma 45-13 to do it. 

The almightly SEC stuff cracks me up.  Yes, the SEC is a tough conference...but to hear some of you guys talk, I halfway expect to hear that the 2006 conference season has been cancelled because the internationally-renowned superpower SEC is being called up by the President to end the war in Iraq...and occupy the war torn zone in southern Lebanon.

You like that lucky comment huh?  I guess that was great defense that forced the Ohio St TE to drop the TD pass.  I guess it was great defense that forced Reggie Bush to lateral the ball in the open field.  I guess it was great defense that Pete Carroll decided to not go with Reggie Bush on 4th down in the Rose Bowl.

To hear some of you talk, you would think you were Longhorn fans or have a Big 12 agenda. 

And last year's Texass TEAM was not as good as any of those SEC teams you named.

Auburn's schedule last year:

Georgia Tech
Miss. State
Ball State
W. Kentucky
S. Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Georgia
Alabama

I think Texas would've gone through that undefeated.  Cakewalk throught the first six games, playing backups in the 2nd half of each, maybe having the starters in through 3 quarters against South Carolina.  Then play a tough one against LSU, but win.  Chill out for two weeks against OM and kentucky.  Tough one against UGA, and easily beat Bama.

Really just 3 tough game all year:  LSU, UGA, and Bama.  And those three together don't hold a candle to playing USC, Ohio State, and Tech.

Yeah, take a look at Auburn's Murderer's Row schedule from 2005.  Wooo...that's some scary stuff!

Texas would have beaten the hell out of Auburn last year.

I think my favorite comment in this entire thread is..."They were lucky!!!"  They were lucky?  That explains it?  They beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl to end the 2004 season.  They beat Ohio State in Columbus...slaughtered Oklahoma on a neutral field...and beat a USC team that beat Arkansas 70-17 last year...and Auburn two straight times two years before that...and they were LUCKY?

And ALABAMA would have given them a tough game?  Based on what?  I don't know how you come up with that, but it's sure not this way:

2006 COTTON BOWL...ALABAMA 13, Texas Tech 10
10/22/06...TEXAS 52, Texas Tech 17

So it would have been impossible for Texas to go undefeated in the big, bad SEC.  Really?  So

[/quote]

You like that lucky comment huh?  I guess that was great defense that forced the Ohio St TE to drop the TD pass.  I guess it was great defense that forced Reggie Bush to lateral the ball in the open field.  I guess it was great defense that Pete Carroll decided to not go with Reggie Bush on 4th down in the Rose Bowl.

To hear some of you talk, you would think you were Longhorn fans or have a Big 12 agenda. 

And last year's Texass TEAM was not as good as any of those SEC teams you named.
[/quote]

Yeah!

Just think of how close the Razorbacks game against USC would have been if it weren't for the mistake of scheduling them in the first place!  I'm thinking we would have only lost by a couple of touchdowns.  I mean, we do play in the SEC, for God's sake!

[dj]

About USC,we got whipped. USC had a bye week before they played us,they had scouts in Little Rock at Vandy game and did excellent work point out things in our game tape against a first draft pick name Jay Cutler.USC they basically exploited Reggie Herrings New Defensive system,which was new to our players.In the USC Game we were out of place badly and the coaches got intimidated and went conservative which,made it worst,they knew all the weak spots in the secordary and ran pass routes that Arkansas had never seen,I ran into a assistant coach from USC at a car rental place in the L.R. Airport and we talked about that game. Even the T.V. announcers stated that this is too easy Arkansas looks confused on defense. Notice later in the Year Arkansas had a much better defense. Remember the same Texas Team that beat USC barely won at Arkansas 22-20 and Matt Jones tried to make a play with the ball inside the 20 yrd line he doesn't fumble that ball Arkansas wins that game too. Also when you talk about Texas breaking a 34 game win streak. Remember 38-28 in 2003 Arkansas broke a 30+ game win streak. And if you want to get techinical EASTTXHOG,or whoever. The SEC has HAD 4 National Champions, Bama 92,Florida96,Tennesee 98,and LSU in 2003 * USC did play them * Note,how how ever the BIG 12 has had OU and Texas one 1 each. Seems like you have more power teams in the SEC then the BIG 12,Nebraska when they dominanted the programs at OU and Texas were down...That was one School. Look at the AP Top 5 the last 10 years.

[Sir Kam of Luap]

About USC,we got whipped. USC had a bye week before they played us,they had scouts in Little Rock at Vandy game and did excellent work point out things in our game tape against a first draft pick name Jay Cutler.USC they basically exploited Reggie Herrings New Defensive system,which was new to our players.In the USC Game we were out of place badly and the coaches got intimidated and went conservative which,made it worst,they knew all the weak spots in the secordary and ran pass routes that Arkansas had never seen,I ran into a assistant coach from USC at a car rental place in the L.R. Airport and we talked about that game. Even the T.V. announcers stated that this is too easy Arkansas looks confused on defense. Notice later in the Year Arkansas had a much better defense. Remember the same Texas Team that beat USC barely won at Arkansas 22-20 and Matt Jones tried to make a play with the ball inside the 20 yrd line he doesn't fumble that ball Arkansas wins that game too. Also when you talk about Texas breaking a 34 game win streak. Remember 38-28 in 2003 Arkansas broke a 30+ game win streak. And if you want to get techinical EASTTXHOG,or whoever. The SEC has HAD 4 National Champions, Bama 92,Florida96,Tennesee 98,and LSU in 2003 * USC did play them * Note,how how ever the BIG 12 has had OU and Texas one 1 each. Seems like you have more power teams in the SEC then the BIG 12,Nebraska when they dominanted the programs at OU and Texas were down...That was one School. Look at the AP Top 5 the last 10 years.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

By the way, some of the names may have been the same, but that wasn't the same Texas team that Arkansas lost to in 2004.  I guess we should just forget about this season, considering  we are the same Arkansas team that lost to Vanderbilt?

Now I know why Jesus weep.

[dj]

Remember how we got whipped in Little Rock against Miami in 1991 55-7 and then the next year we took it to the wire with Miami beating us in the orange bowl 16-14 boy did Quinn Grovey put on a show with Barry foster! Man if Steve Atwater holds on to that pass he jumped in front of that would have sealed it for the hogs,mann! I really don't feel bad about the USC lost because they players didn't quit,Arkansas coaches down 21-7 started trying to run the clock out in the second quarter,when the coaches don't believe they can win,why should the players think so,and USC sensed that they quit! Payback is a Mutha! lol!

[RhodeHog]

Remember how we got whipped in Little Rock against Miami in 1991 55-7 and then the next year we took it to the wire with Miami beating us in the orange bowl 16-14 boy did Quinn Grovey put on a show with Barry foster! Man if Steve Atwater holds on to that pass he jumped in front of that would have sealed it for the hogs,mann! I really don't feel bad about the USC lost because they players didn't quit,Arkansas coaches down 21-7 started trying to run the clock out in the second quarter,when the coaches don't believe they can win,why should the players think so,and USC sensed that they quit! Payback is a Mutha! lol!

I remember that game like it was yesterday.  That was awesome.

[dj]

No,no I'm not making excuses,but their are people on here saying that if Reggie Bush this or if Leinart had done this...In the words of Don Meredith,if "Ifs and Buts" were candy and nuts,we would all have a Merry Christmas. Any Texas Actually had a better team with Cedric Benson in the backfield that night,and still Vince Young  was awesome then,and we did a beat job on him defensive wise then USC and Michigan, Arkansas problem has been on offensive play call over the last 7 years,we have had good defense but conservative offense. We have had talent,but you got to know how to use it. Texas went and hired a former NFL Coach in Greg Davis,which help them improve to get to that level. Arkansas has now done that... Texas all along had the better team,but a Arkansas team last Sept. vs what we saw at the end of November was a different team.

[Boner]

Remember the same Texas Team that beat USC barely won at Arkansas 22-20 and Matt Jones tried to make a play with the ball inside the 20 yrd line he doesn't fumble that ball Arkansas wins that game too.

In part of your post, you're talking about how a team can improve from one year to the next, and how we'll be better this year and play USC tough.  Then you drop this crap about the "same" Texas team.  That was not the same Texas team from 2004 to 2005.  The strides that Vince Young made from early in his sophomore year to the end of his junior year were huge.  His So year he couldn't pass.  His JR year, he lead the nation in passer rating and threw for 3,000 yards.  Additionally, Texas gained maybe the best DC in the nation in Gene Chizik, who they stole from Auburn's undefeated team.

[dj]

No,no I'm not making excuses,but their are people on here saying that if Reggie Bush this or if Leinart had done this...In the words of Don Meredith,if "Ifs and Buts" were candy and nuts,we would all have a Merry Christmas. Anway Texas Actually had a better team with Cedric Benson in the backfield that night,and still Vince Young was awesome then,and we did a beater job on him defensive wise then USC and Michigan. Arkansas problem has been on offensive playing calling over the last 7 years,we have had good defense but conservative offense. We have had the talent,but you got to know how to use it. Texas went and hired a former NFL Coach in Greg Davis,which help them improve to get to that level. Arkansas has now done that... Texas all along had the better team,but a Arkansas team last Sept. vs what we saw at the end of November was a different team.


Vince Young had a great season as a soph. He progressed and did great his jr. yr because Texas didn't have to do much against weaker competition,he wasn't great against Ohio State,he made great plays,now the SC game is the best performance ever by any collegiate player! That was taking the team on your back. Texas in 2004 had problems on defense but i think they lost to OU 13-0 something like that,but they had a 70 -13 lost to OU 4 years ago. So they know how the hog fans should feel...lol

[Burnt Orange Sucks]

No,no I'm not making excuses,but their are people on here saying that if Reggie Bush this or if Leinart had done this...In the words of Don Meredith,if "Ifs and Buts" were candy and nuts,we would all have a Merry Christmas. Anway Texas Actually had a better team with Cedric Benson in the backfield that night,and still Vince Young was awesome then,and we did a beater job on him defensive wise then USC and Michigan. Arkansas problem has been on offensive playing calling over the last 7 years,we have had good defense but conservative offense. We have had the talent,but you got to know how to use it. Texas went and hired a former NFL Coach in Greg Davis,which help them improve to get to that level. Arkansas has now done that... Texas all along had the better team,but a Arkansas team last Sept. vs what we saw at the end of November was a different team.


Vince Young had a great season as a soph. He progressed and did great his jr. yr because Texas didn't have to do much against weaker competition,he wasn't great against Ohio State,he made great plays,now the SC game is the best performance ever by any collegiate player! That was taking the team on your back. Texas in 2004 had problems on defense but i think they lost to OU 13-0 something like that,but they had a 70 -13 lost to OU 4 years ago. So they know how the hog fans should feel...lol

YES, IN THE BIG 12, HE DIDN'T COMPETE IN THE SEC, IS THAT JUST TO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

[EastexHawg]

You like that lucky comment huh?  I guess that was great defense that forced the Ohio St TE to drop the TD pass.  I guess it was great defense that forced Reggie Bush to lateral the ball in the open field.  I guess it was great defense that Pete Carroll decided to not go with Reggie Bush on 4th down in the Rose Bowl.

To hear some of you talk, you would think you were Longhorn fans or have a Big 12 agenda.

A Longhorn fan?  LOL.  No, I despise Texass as much as any Razorback fan.  Maybe more since I had to grow up around them.  I was rooting hard for USC to kill Texas, just like OU did four years in a row...

But I'm realistic.  Texas has won 55 games in the last five years.  They are 4-1 in bowl games during that time, including wins in BCS bowl games the last two years.  They averaged over 50 points per game last year.  They beat NINE teams with winning records last year, and were held under 40 points in a game ONCE all year...at 10-2 Rose Bowl champion Ohio State, whose only two losses were to national champ Texas (22-25) and 11-1 Fiesta bowl champion Penn State (10-17).

The notion that their national title last year is somehow a fluke is...well, laughable.

But me, a Texass lover?  Hardly.

It's just that I'm not interested in some sort of "we've sucked lately, so let's tear down someone who actually won it all" circle jerk.  I guess I don't like the taste of sour grapes.

Yes, I find the "lucky" comment humorous.  It reminds me of the time an interviewer asked a PGA Tour pro why Jack Nicklaus won so much of the time and so many majors.

"Is he really that good?"

The golf pro looked him straight in the face and deadpanned, "Good?  Nicklaus?  Heck, no.  He's just been on a 20 year long lucky streak."