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online-with-swine

Should I go Mossberg 500 or an Remington 870 or a different brand altogether?

82abn Ard

It doesn't matter. Anything that makes the sound of jacking a shell in the chamber is clearly understood by every race, creed, or ethnic background throughout the world!!  It will have a butt slamming effect on whoever tries to enter your house!!!

 

ErieHog

The good thing about a home defense pump action shotgun is that you can make the first round non lethal (rock salt), the second bird shot,  and the third a slug.   If the sound doesn't scare them off, the rock salt will hurt like a mother.    The second shot will put a dent in them, and the third will kill.

It also cuts down on the likelihood of a domestic shotgun related accident being lethal.  YMMV.
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tophawg19

if you have kids in other rooms a shotgun is a bad choice . buckshot can spread and go through walls . even bird shot will kill at close range because it doesn't have time to spread. most in home shots are less than 20 ft. take your shotgun outside and shoot a gallon milk jug filled with water . i think you will be suprised at the damage . do this at 10 to 20 ft.
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95_alum

I recently installed the Raptor grip (Shockwave Technologies) on my wife's 500 for $30. Wonderful. Had a pistol grip on it prior to that which made it difficult to work the top tang safety. Not an issue with the Raptor. Loaded with 2 3/4, #4 buckshot & it is one sweet HD package. No bruised shoulder for Mrs. 95. & less felt recoil going in to the web of the hand. Like tophawg said, 20-ft. or less is pretty much what you're looking at.

DeltaBoy

Either one will do the job, Get some 00 Buck n Slugs and your set.
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derfarhar333

I put the raptor grip on my mossberg too and I like it! It beats the hell outta the pistol grip that came from the factory. Maybe it's just me but the recoil is nil compared to the original pistol grip. Check out the Maverick 88. Made by mossberg and its under $200.
Now with all that said, I like my Smith&Wesson 686+ for HD. 7 rds. of .357 mag/ or .38 Spl. +P. My wife enjoys shooting it and feels comfortable using it for HD as well.

hawgbawb

Quote from: KnilesKankle on September 15, 2013, 07:35:41 pm
Should I go Mossberg 500 or an Remington 870 or a different brand altogether?
defense from what?
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online-with-swine

Hooded teenagers in my neighborhood.  I do live in Florida.









Too soon?







But seriously, we have a bunch of construction workers in our neighboorhood and it is making my wife uncomfortable with them staring at her and them walking through our yard etc.  Plus, there have been some garage break ins in neighborhood and a home invasion a subdivision over.

toshortrock

double ott buckshot ,,u don't time in the middle of the night
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derfarhar333

Let us know what ou decide on kankle.

Rzbakfromwaybak

Quote from: 82abn Ard on September 15, 2013, 08:03:57 pm

It doesn't matter. Anything that makes the sound of jacking a shell in the chamber is clearly understood by every race, creed, or ethnic background throughout the world!!  It will have a butt slamming effect on whoever tries to enter your house!!!


This is not always a good idea.  Sounds good in movies. You naturally want to be sure it is not someone entering that is suppose to be there.  First, not a good idea to wait until an unwanted intruder has entered, or is in the process of entering your house before jacking a shell into the chamber.  2nd, after hearing that....he/they now know where you are, & know you have a gun. You now, have lost your element of surprise. That is what they are trying to do....surprise you.  He could very well have a gun himself....or he might have multiple accomplices with weapons.  They could at this point, start shooting thru the walls at you, approach you from another direction or an outside window, etc......or they could do as you hope... turn & run.  Anyone brazen enough to break into your house, is probably capable of doing serious harm to you & your family, & may have that exact intent.  The first sound home intruders should hear.....is your firearm going off while it is pointing in their direction.  That sound, is much more alarming...even if you miss.
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Rzbakfromwaybak

Quote from: KnilesKankle on September 15, 2013, 09:44:35 pm
Wow.  With 2 kids in the house maybe #4 or #6 would be best instead of 00?


# 4 shot at 30ft....is plenty lethal.....& will not go thru the walls as easily as buckshot.

Buckshot has definitely got the advantage outside the house....but not as ideal inside.
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Razorback7281

Quote from: KnilesKankle on September 15, 2013, 07:35:41 pm
Should I go Mossberg 500 or an Remington 870 or a different brand altogether?
I have a Benelli Supernova Tactical. Great gun with pistol grip and about half the kick of an 870. My wife feels very comfortable shooting it.
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LSUFan

September 16, 2013, 11:40:55 pm #17 Last Edit: September 17, 2013, 08:15:05 pm by LSUFan
Forget a Pump.

I have an auto with 00 Buck, 5 rounds. Plus a few other calibers, in err room. Pick Your Poison!
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Quote from: ErieHog on September 15, 2013, 08:12:28 pm
The good thing about a home defense pump action shotgun is that you can make the first round non lethal (rock salt), the second bird shot,  and the third a slug.   If the sound doesn't scare them off, the rock salt will hurt like a mother.    The second shot will put a dent in them, and the third will kill.

It also cuts down on the likelihood of a domestic shotgun related accident being lethal.  YMMV.

If someone comes in my house when I or one of my family members is home, I'm going to assume they mean to do harm, and will make sure my first shot is lethal.  I'm not going to put my family in danger by trying to first scare them off.

rickm1976

Quote from: Rzbakfromwaybak on September 16, 2013, 05:50:26 pm
This is not always a good idea.  Sounds good in movies. You naturally want to be sure it is not someone entering that is suppose to be there.  First, not a good idea to wait until an unwanted intruder has entered, or is in the process of entering your house before jacking a shell into the chamber.  2nd, after hearing that....he/they now know where you are, & know you have a gun. You now, have lost your element of surprise. That is what they are trying to do....surprise you.  He could very well have a gun himself....or he might have multiple accomplices with weapons.  They could at this point, start shooting thru the walls at you, approach you from another direction or an outside window, etc......or they could do as you hope... turn & run.  Anyone brazen enough to break into your house, is probably capable of doing serious harm to you & your family, & may have that exact intent.  The first sound home intruders should hear.....is your firearm going off while it is pointing in their direction.  That sound, is much more alarming...even if you miss.

This.

CPO Hog

I have REM 870 & 877. I never keep one in the barrel, so the sound of jacking a shell is unavoidable. Would be the same with an auto loader. I have a couple early warning units any intruder would have to deal with upon entering my house. They will give me time to jack a shell and administer lead posioning and leaky arteries.

IRT the article linked above, I'm going to reconsider my shell load. My house layout could put family members in the line of fire (through walls).

hogcoots

Here is a pretty good video showing shotgun load comparisons at room size distances.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3RVvL9ZjU

adave

Would a sawed off be comfortable for your wife?  I have a Mossberg 500 loaded with OO, I don't know too many women who could handle this weapon properly.

twistitup

Quote from: adave on September 22, 2013, 09:32:11 am
Would a sawed off be comfortable for your wife?  I have a Mossberg 500 loaded with OO, I don't know too many women who could handle this weapon properly.

I got my wife a .38 special.

I'll handle the shottie and she can play a backup role if needed
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DeltaBoy

00 Buck is the Standard for the Police and You should us it too. Keep one in the chamber and don't give yourself away.
If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

online-with-swine

Picked up my new 870 tactical yesterday.  Can't wait to get to the range and fire off some rounds!!!

As an aside...I love my wife.  We were going to the range for her to learn how to fire my XD9.  Unfortunately, she couldn't rack the slide for it.  So instead we went to a gun shop to look at a pistol for her.  Ended up with a new ruger S22 for her.  The one condition that she would agree to in getting the gun was that it had to be purple.  I guess that is one way to keep me from her gun.

As we were paying I asked to look at the 870 he had on the wall.  Almost jokingly the owner said he would take 75$ off if we bought both.  My wife from 10 feet away chimed in, "Take off a hundred and you have a deal."

So we ended up with the 22 and 12 ga, ha ha.

95_alum

Quote from: KnilesKankle on October 30, 2013, 11:18:56 am
... We were going to the range for her to learn how to fire my XD9.  Unfortunately, she couldn't rack the slide for it....

It's all about technique. With the pistol held close to her chest, have her come over the top rear portion of the slide with her weak hand- pinching the sides of the slide with the palm of her hand (+ thumb) & all four fingertips. As her weak hand moves to the rear, her strong hand (on the grip of the pistol) moves forward. It's a push-pull motion working together. Commit to it with authority. Don't be dainty with the movements.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbZdI9F5eAU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

online-with-swine

I didn't realize how hard it was to rack mine until we started looking at guns for her.  She could easily rack an M9, glock , sig226, Ruger LC9 but can barely get mine back.

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1highhog

October 31, 2013, 03:03:16 am #29 Last Edit: November 03, 2013, 01:38:21 am by 1highhog
Y'all need to post some pics of your home defense firearms.

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adave

Quote from: pigture perfect on October 30, 2013, 08:45:07 pm
Gun oil is your friend.
Unless it's on your fingers when you're trying to rack it.  ;)

old hog

  Own a Stoeger 12 ga. double barrel Coach gun for the house and my wife has a Glock 9mm for her car. The 12 ga has got a kick to it, so I picked up a 20 ga. 870 which she enjoys shooting. Not a bad shot with the 9 either.

cdohogfan

Quote from: Rzbakfromwaybak on September 16, 2013, 05:50:26 pm
This is not always a good idea.  Sounds good in movies. You naturally want to be sure it is not someone entering that is suppose to be there.  First, not a good idea to wait until an unwanted intruder has entered, or is in the process of entering your house before jacking a shell into the chamber.  2nd, after hearing that....he/they now know where you are, & know you have a gun. You now, have lost your element of surprise. That is what they are trying to do....surprise you.  He could very well have a gun himself....or he might have multiple accomplices with weapons.  They could at this point, start shooting thru the walls at you, approach you from another direction or an outside window, etc......or they could do as you hope... turn & run.  Anyone brazen enough to break into your house, is probably capable of doing serious harm to you & your family, & may have that exact intent.  The first sound home intruders should hear.....is your firearm going off while it is pointing in their direction.  That sound, is much more alarming...even if you miss.
Again.. This
On the other sub-topic going on in this thread, I worry a lot about lead flying through these thin walls at my apartments. There's not any angle I can take to avoid it. My best chances put the rounds out side of the apartment heading towards the next building but its highly unlikely I'll be shooting that direction if there is a bad guy in the apartment. Checking out those links posted. Will do my own tests too, eventually.

DeltaBoy

There are tons of test threads over on The High Road and on Youtube.   Some go with BB or #2 Turkey Loads for apartment defense.
If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

1highhog

Did everyone know you can now carry a handgun without a permit in your vehicle?  Here's the link explaining the law, http://www.examiner.com/article/arkansas-to-become-the-nation-s-45th-open-carry-state-on-august-15th

AirForceHog

The Air Force buys me the Remington 870 to hunt with. My office has for. Two full choke one moderate choke and one smooth bore for birdscare. Birdscare is just a pyrotecnic to scare birds away. The full choke is for birdshot and the mod choke is for buckshot. I can't complain other than they aren't tactical. But I definitely am not using them for home protection.
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Quote from: 1highhog on November 05, 2013, 10:15:47 pm
Did everyone know you can now carry a handgun without a permit in your vehicle?  Here's the link explaining the law, http://www.examiner.com/article/arkansas-to-become-the-nation-s-45th-open-carry-state-on-august-15th

Who needs a permit to carry a gun in your car?  Last thing I'm going to do is ask permission.
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DeltaBoy

My 870 is my baby that I have had since I was 16.  It killed a frezzer full of meat over the years.  But I keep it ready for 2 legged critters.
If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

1highhog

I wish you fellas would show some pictures of your guns on here like I did.  I like seeing what other guys have.  As far as handguns, I could get in trouble showing them.

Rzbakfromwaybak

Quote from: AirForceHog on November 13, 2013, 12:53:26 am

The Air Force buys me the Remington 870 to hunt with. My office has for. Two full choke one moderate choke and one smooth bore for birdscare. Birdscare is just a pyrotecnic to scare birds away. The full choke is for birdshot and the mod choke is for buckshot. I can't complain other than they aren't tactical. But I definitely am not using them for home protection.


Ok....so the Avatar....your office also has that??  Enlistment numbers must be up...
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DeltaBoy

I reccomend 20 gauge shotguns for ladies, smaller men  and Mass agrees.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob120.html
If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

TeufelHog

Check out the KelTec KSG Compact . . . that'll please ya!

DeltaBoy

The KelTec will do the job too.
If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

CallThemHawgs!

Quote from: 1highhog on October 31, 2013, 03:03:16 am
Y'all need to post some pics of your home defense firearms.

Remington 870 Tactical w/18 inch barrel
Magpul MOE FDE stock and forend
Archangel shell holder
190 lumen light



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1highhog

As far as handguns are concerned I carry in my vehicle my Glock 40, and I never leave home without my pocket mate 22 mag, more accurate than you would think, and the sound alone is a deterrent, but I bought it in a 22 mag for a little extra firepower and it conceals very well.

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DeltaBoy

If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

1highhog


ifghog

Quote from: rickm1976 on September 17, 2013, 08:29:54 am
If someone comes in my house when I or one of my family members is home, I'm going to assume they mean to do harm, and will make sure my first shot is lethal.  I'm not going to put my family in danger by trying to first scare them off.
I am on board with you brother. Shot first ask questions later.