Pathetic! Coach is under .500 in SEC!

[oldbooniehog]

It's ridiculous to pay a coach so much who can't even win 50% of his SEC games.

29-35 in the SEC is pathetic! Fans deserve more!

Losing record in the SEC two out of the last four years!

Never made it to the SEC Championship game!

Fire Dan Mullen!

[Tarheelhawg]

So your point is that Mullen is a bigger loser than Bielema.  So it is okay to accept Bielema's poor record?

[Sigepgator702]

Mullen has MSU at #1 in the country at one point.  When's the last time that happened to us?

[factchecker]

Coach Bielema's record is worse.

You want to see an even worse record look to LSU's head coach.

Orgeron is 7-24 vs. the SEC.  4 of those wins came last year with Les Miles' team.

Why didn't LSU get somebody better?

[Tarheelhawg]

It is a little early yet to determine #1 wait till the end of the season.  At this point it is more accurate to judge the coach by his body of work historically.

[sowmonella]

Coach Bielema's record is worse.

You want to see an even worse record look to LSU's head coach.

Orgeron is 7-24 vs. the SEC.  4 of those wins came last year with Les Miles' team.

Why didn't LSU get somebody better?

Because they were idiots.

[porkrindjimmy]

It's ridiculous to pay a coach so much who can't even win 50% of his SEC games.

29-35 in the SEC is pathetic! Fans deserve more!

Losing record in the SEC two out of the last four years!

Never made it to the SEC Championship game!

Fire Dan Mullen!

Really dude?

I am going to ask you the same question I asked Steef....Why are you so invested in the man?

When is a proper time frame for you to start expecting results? Year 6? 10 years? 18 years? When can we expect a well coached, disciplined, fundamentally sound football team? Because I heard on day one that was going to be our team...if nothing else, we were gonna be the most sound, fundamental team on the planet....

Year 5 and smoke is still being blown...but from where I stand, coughing and squinting through the smoke...all I see is fire....in the dumpster...

PRJ

[BigE_23]

You had to go and start another thread about this??

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=637769.0

[oldbooniehog]

PRJ, I am not invested in Bielema.

Not one Itty bitty bit. Fire Bielema all you want.

What I am sick and tired of is unrealistic Hog fans thinking they can Fire! Fire! Fire! their way to elite status.

Arkansas simply is a second-tier program. The kind that has only three 11-win seasons in 120 years or so of football.

Any coach that fails to achieve elite status (that is forever just around a corner Arkansas never turns) is run off or fired.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Holtz, Hatfield, Crowe, Kines, Ford, Nutt, etc, etc.

Just tired of the same old angry merry-go-round based on denial of well-established reality.

[Porkchop#1]

PRJ, I am not invested in Bielema.

Not one Itty bitty bit. Fire Bielema all you want.

What I am sick and tired of is unrealistic Hog fans thinking they can Fire! Fire! Fire! their way to elite status.

Arkansas simply is a second-tier program. The kind that has only three 11-win seasons in 120 years or so of football.

You do get that it is really hard to win more than 11 games a year, during those 120 years, playing a 10 game schedule in about 100 of those years...right?

[porkrindjimmy]

PRJ, I am not invested in Bielema.

Not one Itty bitty bit. Fire Bielema all you want.

What I am sick and tired of is unrealistic Hog fans thinking they can Fire! Fire! Fire! their way to elite status.

Arkansas simply is a second-tier program. The kind that has only three 11-win seasons in 120 years or so of football.

Any coach that fails to achieve rlite status (that''s forever just around a corner Arkansas never turns) is run off or fired.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Holtz, Hatfield, Crowe, Kines, Ford, Nutt, etc, etc.

Just tired of the same old angry merry-go-round based on denial of well-established reality.

Ok...but there are several teams who used to be 2nd tier and 3rd tier teams who have stepped up and became respectable programs...you know that and I know that.

I guess what riles me more than anything is the clownish behavior coupled with a look that is maybe disinterested, maybe inept, maybe just flat out clueless. I cannot stand that confused, disinterested look that goes on with him on that sideline while our wheels come off. Just utter buffoonery...

And maybe we are destined to be second tier...I can't read tarot cards, I can't read palms..but I can say that with the right coach we can every once in awhile spook the living hell out of a top tier team and maybe, just maybe, knock em off from time to time. Lou Holtz for awhile had us believing we could win em all. Kenny did too....Even Nutty could find a haystack every once in awhile and make you believe he found two needles....and Bobby had us playing exciting football and thinking, yeah, this is the year....

Today...not so much. We are demoralized...we are constantly told about GPA's...we are shown new plans for a stadium renovation...asked to dig up a little more coin...we are subjected to soul crushing noise they call music between every play at games, long lines and Pepsi..that is flat. It is like Dollar Tree silverware....Wash it once and look at your new pretty silverware now...

I like nice things, not shiny things but nice things.

PRJ

[HamSammich]

College of St. Louis sucks too... I'm not sure point here.

[RedRazorHog]

Really dude?

I am going to ask you the same question I asked Steef....Why are you so invested in the man?

When is a proper time frame for you to start expecting results? Year 6? 10 years? 18 years? When can we expect a well coached, disciplined, fundamentally sound football team? Because I heard on day one that was going to be our team...if nothing else, we were gonna be the most sound, fundamental team on the planet....

Year 5 and smoke is still being blown...but from where I stand, coughing and squinting through the smoke...all I see is fire....in the dumpster...

PRJ

Good Post - I concur.... When Arkansas State is ranked and Arkansas is unranked is when he will finally say "uh....maybe....er....uh.... we ought to think about making a change"

[RazorPiggie]

Good Post - I concur.... When Arkansas State is ranked and Arkansas is unranked is when he will finally say "uh....maybe....er....uh.... we ought to think about making a change"

I was wasn't aware that ASU was ranked with an 0-1 record.

[porkrindjimmy]

Good Post - I concur.... When Arkansas State is ranked and Arkansas is unranked is when he will finally say "uh....maybe....er....uh.... we ought to think about making a change"

Jeffie wants it done by the book. As long as he can deflect with new, shiny objects...as long as he can show utter disdain for the nosebleed fans...and people go into diners, coffee shops and the cubicles across this state and they mention the game in passing but Tucker says to Chauncey, man the GPA's on the team are OUTFRICKINGSTANDING....This is what we have....

PRJ

[lakecityhog]

Boonie, You are pretty much dead wrong. I think that what people want is to be competitive more than anything else. When we play well and get beat by another team it hurts a bit, but you feel like maybe with us catching a break instead of the opponent catching a break that we might have won. That is fine, at least with me.

I don't expect natty's every year, Houston Nutt took us to the SEC Championship game twice. Make any excuses that you want, the fact is he did it. BP had us competing with Bama and LSU when they were winning championships, again a fact.

When your team comes out flat as a pancake in the 2nd game of the season and lays an egg, you have to ask yourself WHY??? Lose to Toledo at home by scoring 10 points? Lose to a Tech team at home that you literally destroyed the year before?? Blow 20 point leads in back-to-back games without scoring a single point in the 2nd half of both games???

Then you start to look at his hiring record lately and you really have to wonder what is going on. Mullen went to Louisville and stole Grantham, Smart came here and stole Pittman, Sumlin went to LSU and took Chavis as well as other SEC teams going and finding the BEST assistants available.

BB hires assistants to assistants and guys with VERY little in the way of credentials. We hire by going through resumes other teams hire by remembering teams with assistants that are well regarded across the board and STEAL them!!! Why does he refuse to try to hire one of the best O'Line coaches in America? Why not at least pick up the phone and call Oklahoma for their O'Line coach? Why not go to Penn State for a Linebacker coach or Florida State for a D'Line coach? Offer them enough money and one of them will bite.

There is a lot more going on than expectations of National Championships!

[porkrindjimmy]

Boonie, You are pretty much dead wrong. I think that what people want is to be competitive more than anything else. When we play well and get beat by another team it hurts a bit, but you feel like maybe with us catching a break instead of the opponent catching a break that we might have won. That is fine, at least with me.

I don't expect natty's every year, Houston Nutt took us to the SEC Championship game twice. Make any excuses that you want, the fact is he did it. BP had us competing with Bama and LSU when they were winning championships, again a fact.

When your team comes out flat as a pancake in the 2nd game of the season and lays an egg, you have to ask yourself WHY??? Lose to Toledo at home by scoring 10 points? Lose to a Tech team at home that you literally destroyed the year before?? Blow 20 point leads in back-to-back games without scoring a single point in the 2nd half of both games???

Then you start to look at his hiring record lately and you really have to wonder what is going on. Mullen went to Louisville and stole Grantham, Smart came here and stole Pittman, Sumlin went to LSU and took Chavis as well as other SEC teams going and finding the BEST assistants available.

BB hires assistants to assistants and guys with VERY little in the way of credentials. We hire by going through resumes other teams hire by remembering teams with assistants that are well regarded across the board and STEAL them!!! Why does he refuse to try to hire one of the best O'Line coaches in America? Why not at least pick up the phone and call Oklahoma for their O'Line coach? Why not go to Penn State for a Linebacker coach or Florida State for a D'Line coach? Offer them enough money and one of them will bite.

There is a lot more going on than expectations of National Championships!

+1...excellent post.

PRJ

[RedRazorHog]

I was wasn't aware that ASU was ranked with an 0-1 record.

No - what I am saying that Jeff Long will ride this pony until that happens, which means it could take a while.  Think of this - as a state we want good football.  Many of us are genetically aligned to the UofA, we love our hogs, but if they are constantly going to not "get it done" and move to the (at least) occasional 9 win season, they will lose investment.  Because we want a good football team in our state, that investment may eventually go to ASU, and with the right investment they could possibly lock down a decent coach and challenge.  All because Jeff Long's ego won't let him do what many want.

But like I said, I watched Hog games with my grandparents, my dads, my  Uncles, and now my kids - we love our hogs, we just want better...that's all!

[RedRazorHog]

Boonie, You are pretty much dead wrong. I think that what people want is to be competitive more than anything else. When we play well and get beat by another team it hurts a bit, but you feel like maybe with us catching a break instead of the opponent catching a break that we might have won. That is fine, at least with me.

I don't expect natty's every year, Houston Nutt took us to the SEC Championship game twice. Make any excuses that you want, the fact is he did it. BP had us competing with Bama and LSU when they were winning championships, again a fact.

When your team comes out flat as a pancake in the 2nd game of the season and lays an egg, you have to ask yourself WHY??? Lose to Toledo at home by scoring 10 points? Lose to a Tech team at home that you literally destroyed the year before?? Blow 20 point leads in back-to-back games without scoring a single point in the 2nd half of both games???

Then you start to look at his hiring record lately and you really have to wonder what is going on. Mullen went to Louisville and stole Grantham, Smart came here and stole Pittman, Sumlin went to LSU and took Chavis as well as other SEC teams going and finding the BEST assistants available.

BB hires assistants to assistants and guys with VERY little in the way of credentials. We hire by going through resumes other teams hire by remembering teams with assistants that are well regarded across the board and STEAL them!!! Why does he refuse to try to hire one of the best O'Line coaches in America? Why not at least pick up the phone and call Oklahoma for their O'Line coach? Why not go to Penn State for a Linebacker coach or Florida State for a D'Line coach? Offer them enough money and one of them will bite.

There is a lot more going on than expectations of National Championships!

+1

[hawganatic]

Beliema is 1-3 against Mullen.  I don't think calling for Mullen's firing is the best way to make your point.

[factchecker]

Good Post - I concur.... When Arkansas State is ranked and Arkansas is unranked is when he will finally say "uh....maybe....er....uh.... we ought to think about making a change"

When - in their history of playing FBS football - has jonesboro state been ranked?

They got beat by a god awful Nebraska team who couldn't beat Northern Illinois at home.

[factchecker]

No - what I am saying that Jeff Long will ride this pony until that happens, which means it could take a while.  Think of this - as a state we want good football.  Many of us are genetically aligned to the UofA, we love our hogs, but if they are constantly going to not "get it done" and move to the (at least) occasional 9 win season, they will lose investment.  Because we want a good football team in our state, that investment may eventually go to ASU, and with the right investment they could possibly lock down a decent coach and challenge.  All because Jeff Long's ego won't let him do what many want.

But like I said, I watched Hog games with my grandparents, my dads, my  Uncles, and now my kids - we love our hogs, we just want better...that's all!

Take your fairweather, t-shirt garbage to jonesboro then. I'm sure they'll appreciate all that donor money you bring.....

They need all the help they can get.  They rely on stolen money via student fees and taxes.

Put your money where your mouth is and go help the red pups.

Fairweather fans are not needed here at the only self sufficient athletic program in state.  THE University of Arkansas doesn't need fickle fans.

[RedRazorHog]

When - in their history of playing FBS football - has jonesboro state been ranked?

They got beat by a god awful Nebraska team who couldn't beat Northern Illinois at home.

From Wikipedia and ironically you call yourself THE FACT CHECKER:

They remained in this classification for one year before being promoted to Division I.[3] Arkansas State recorded an undefeated season (going 11–0) in Division I in 1975 and was one of only two undefeated Division I football teams that year. Arkansas State is one of only four institutions to have gone undefeated and not win a National Championship at the Division I-A (now Division I FBS) level. Since Arkansas State was a member of the Southland Conference, and the league did not have a bowl game tie-in, Arkansas State was not selected for post-season play despite being undefeated.

[factchecker]

From Wikipedia and ironically you call yourself THE FACT CHECKER:

They remained in this classification for one year before being promoted to Division I.[3] Arkansas State recorded an undefeated season (going 11–0) in Division I in 1975 and was one of only two undefeated Division I football teams that year. Arkansas State is one of only four institutions to have gone undefeated and not win a National Championship at the Division I-A (now Division I FBS) level. Since Arkansas State was a member of the Southland Conference, and the league did not have a bowl game tie-in, Arkansas State was not selected for post-season play despite being undefeated.

1975 was realignment years.  They played a garbage schedule against the likes of Idaho, Lamar, McNeese, Memphis etc.

Add:  They were also in the Southland.  What division is the Southland in now?  FCS  However, the FCS is still much better than the Sunbelt.

Another ADD: jonesboro state is 2-73 record vs. P5 teams.

I'm not sure what their record vs. ranked teams are seeing that they hardly ever play a ranked team.

[Porkchop#1]

Boonie, You are pretty much dead wrong

Old Boonie just gets really bent out of shape when other Hog fans want to do better.  He doesn't like it when Hog fans want something better.

[johnny cash]

Mullen has MSU at #1 in the country at one point.  When's the last time that happened to us?

[johnny cash]

The BB love fest here is pathetic.

[factchecker]

The BB love fest here is pathetic.

Nah.  Bielema isn't good.  Boonie just tries to put hog fans in their "place".  I don't see anything wrong with wanting better and we can do better.

[buldozer]

I guess what riles me more than anything is the clownish behavior coupled with a look that is maybe disinterested, maybe inept, maybe just flat out clueless. I cannot stand that confused, disinterested look that goes on with him on that sideline while our wheels come off. Just utter buffoonery...


PRJ

+1, you tell em jimmy

[King Kong]

It's insulting to compare Mullen's amazing achievements at Miss State to us.

Arkansas's history, brand, town and expectations are far superior to that of Miss State

We freaking went a decade without losing to Ms State

[Hogwild]

Coach Bielema's record is worse.

You want to see an even worse record look to LSU's head coach.

Orgeron is 7-24 vs. the SEC.  4 of those wins came last year with Les Miles' team.

Why didn't LSU get somebody better?

bad Athletic Director

[HamSammich]

I liked the Arkansas state post. I've actually watched one of their games this year.  Couldn't find the pine bluff one on tv. One of UCAs. It's been a long time since I've done that.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think hog fans might support other schools more while long tanks the program.

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

Mullen has MSU at #1 in the country at one point.  When's the last time that happened to us?

They had Dak. He's their McFadden. Nothing happened like that with Mullen before Dak got there nor since

[El Puerco Grande]

I am not happy with CBB, but I noticed that someone stated as "fact" that Bobby Petrino had us competing with LSU and Bama. In CBP's best year he got beat by 3 TDs by both teams. That may be better than losing by 4 TDs, but I would not call that competing.

[RazorbackAlways]

I am not happy with CBB, but I noticed that someone stated as "fact" that Bobby Petrino had us competing with LSU and Bama. In CBP's best year he got beat by 3 TDs by both teams. That may be better than losing by 4 TDs, but I would not call that competing.

I thought Alabama beat us 24-20 one year?

[The_Iceman]

Because they were idiots.

Plain and Simple.

I have friends that were LSU fans, and it reminded me of when Arkansas fans were convincing themselves that John L. Smith could work as a head coach because the coordinators were good.

[IndianaHog]

Really dude?

I am going to ask you the same question I asked Steef....Why are you so invested in the man?

When is a proper time frame for you to start expecting results? Year 6? 10 years? 18 years? When can we expect a well coached, disciplined, fundamentally sound football team? Because I heard on day one that was going to be our team...if nothing else, we were gonna be the most sound, fundamental team on the planet....

Year 5 and smoke is still being blown...but from where I stand, coughing and squinting through the smoke...all I see is fire....in the dumpster...

PRJ

+1 It's like they're ok with mediocrity

[TrueBlue]

They had Dak. He's their McFadden. Nothing happened like that with Mullen before Dak got there nor since

Mullen knows how to groom QB's. Not only Dak, there was a guy once upon a time named Tebow that he personally took under his wing at Florida and we know how that turned out (Heisman, National Championship, etc..).

Fitzgerald has the making of another great QB.

[El Puerco Grande]

I thought Alabama beat us 24-20 one year?

They did, but in his 11 win season we got beat 38-14. Remarkably, HDN beat Bama 5 times. They were not near as good then.

[RazorPiggie]

No - what I am saying that Jeff Long will ride this pony until that happens, which means it could take a while.  Think of this - as a state we want good football.  Many of us are genetically aligned to the UofA, we love our hogs, but if they are constantly going to not "get it done" and move to the (at least) occasional 9 win season, they will lose investment.  Because we want a good football team in our state, that investment may eventually go to ASU, and with the right investment they could possibly lock down a decent coach and challenge.  All because Jeff Long's ego won't let him do what many want.

But like I said, I watched Hog games with my grandparents, my dads, my  Uncles, and now my kids - we love our hogs, we just want better...that's all!

Lol ok.

[Sivad]

Think of this - as a state we want good football.
Because we want a good football team in our state, that investment may eventually go to ASU, and with the right investment they could possibly lock down a decent coach and challenge. 

Make it stop (howling).

[smb]

Boonie, You are pretty much dead wrong. I think that what people want is to be competitive more than anything else. When we play well and get beat by another team it hurts a bit, but you feel like maybe with us catching a break instead of the opponent catching a break that we might have won. That is fine, at least with me.

I don't expect natty's every year, Houston Nutt took us to the SEC Championship game twice. Make any excuses that you want, the fact is he did it. BP had us competing with Bama and LSU when they were winning championships, again a fact.

When your team comes out flat as a pancake in the 2nd game of the season and lays an egg, you have to ask yourself WHY??? Lose to Toledo at home by scoring 10 points? Lose to a Tech team at home that you literally destroyed the year before?? Blow 20 point leads in back-to-back games without scoring a single point in the 2nd half of both games???

Then you start to look at his hiring record lately and you really have to wonder what is going on. Mullen went to Louisville and stole Grantham, Smart came here and stole Pittman, Sumlin went to LSU and took Chavis as well as other SEC teams going and finding the BEST assistants available.

BB hires assistants to assistants and guys with VERY little in the way of credentials. We hire by going through resumes other teams hire by remembering teams with assistants that are well regarded across the board and STEAL them!!! Why does he refuse to try to hire one of the best O'Line coaches in America? Why not at least pick up the phone and call Oklahoma for their O'Line coach? Why not go to Penn State for a Linebacker coach or Florida State for a D'Line coach? Offer them enough money and one of them will bite.

There is a lot more going on than expectations of National Championships!

Right on!!

[The Boar War]

I thought Alabama beat us 24-20 one year?

They did.  It was the same year we beat LSU and went to the Sugar Bowl. But that didn't fit the narrative so........

[The Hawg Marshal]

Boonie, You are pretty much dead wrong. I think that what people want is to be competitive more than anything else. When we play well and get beat by another team it hurts a bit, but you feel like maybe with us catching a break instead of the opponent catching a break that we might have won. That is fine, at least with me.

I don't expect natty's every year, Houston Nutt took us to the SEC Championship game twice. Make any excuses that you want, the fact is he did it. BP had us competing with Bama and LSU when they were winning championships, again a fact.

When your team comes out flat as a pancake in the 2nd game of the season and lays an egg, you have to ask yourself WHY??? Lose to Toledo at home by scoring 10 points? Lose to a Tech team at home that you literally destroyed the year before?? Blow 20 point leads in back-to-back games without scoring a single point in the 2nd half of both games???

Then you start to look at his hiring record lately and you really have to wonder what is going on. Mullen went to Louisville and stole Grantham, Smart came here and stole Pittman, Sumlin went to LSU and took Chavis as well as other SEC teams going and finding the BEST assistants available.

BB hires assistants to assistants and guys with VERY little in the way of credentials. We hire by going through resumes other teams hire by remembering teams with assistants that are well regarded across the board and STEAL them!!! Why does he refuse to try to hire one of the best O'Line coaches in America? Why not at least pick up the phone and call Oklahoma for their O'Line coach? Why not go to Penn State for a Linebacker coach or Florida State for a D'Line coach? Offer them enough money and one of them will bite.

There is a lot more going on than expectations of National Championships!

Nailed it!

[The Boar War]

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Holtz, Hatfield, Crowe, Kines, Ford, Nutt, etc, etc.

Just tired of the same old angry merry-go-round based on denial of well-established reality.

You covered a span of 30 years.  Six coaches in 30 years is not a merry go round especially when you count Crowe and Kines.  Alabama has 8 coaches in that same span and that's not including Mike Price or Joe Kines.

[Michael_E_Davis]

Really dude?

I am going to ask you the same question I asked Steef....Why are you so invested in the man?

When is a proper time frame for you to start expecting results? Year 6? 10 years? 18 years? When can we expect a well coached, disciplined, fundamentally sound football team? Because I heard on day one that was going to be our team...if nothing else, we were gonna be the most sound, fundamental team on the planet....

Year 5 and smoke is still being blown...but from where I stand, coughing and squinting through the smoke...all I see is fire....in the dumpster...

PRJ

What do you mean by results?  Please explain.   To me,  Wins against Florida,  LSU,   Ole Miss,  TCU,  Texas Tech,  Tennessee,  Auburn,  Miss. State,   Texas Long Horns,  Kansas State, Missouri is pretty decent results.  We won 8 games in 2015.  This season just started.   So, what do you mean by results?  A national championship every year?  11 wins every year?

[lakecityhog]

E, if you string all of those wins together it is a very good run. But, when you spread them out over 4 years, not-so-much.

Again, it is not all about wins. It's about coming out and looking like a football team from game 1 through the WHOLE season. Not losing to Toledo at home, Not going scoreless in 3 straight 2nd halves against P5 opponents, Not coming into an important game with no fire at all. I could go on and on about things that bother a lot of fans and winning is fairly far down the list, but if those problems were truly addressed winning would not be an issue!

[Porkchop#1]

I am not happy with CBB, but I noticed that someone stated as "fact" that Bobby Petrino had us competing with LSU and Bama. In CBP's best year he got beat by 3 TDs by both teams. That may be better than losing by 4 TDs, but I would not call that competing.

He beat LSU the year before that.  In your expert opinion, would you call that competing?

[farmhawg]

So your point is that Mullen is a bigger loser than Bielema.  So it is okay to accept Bielema's poor record?

Whatever it takes to distract from the truth.

[PorkSoda]

Mullen has MSU at #1 in the country at one point.  When's the last time that happened to us?

didn't we almost beat them when they were #1?