25 Historically Important Programs

[Pig in the Pokey]

Does this end the debate?

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/8-sec-teams-fall-top-25-espns-historically-important-programs/

[LRrazorback]

Texas a&m is about 10 too high. What have they done in the last 40 years

[factchecker]

Here is the original article cited by SDS:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17336754/alabama-crimson-tide-notre-dame-fighting-irish-ohio-state-buckeyes-oklahoma-sooners-usc-trojans-lead-list-college-football-blue-bloods

25. Arkansas Razorbacks | 6.42

Arkansas is without a Heisman Trophy or a national championship. The Razorbacks have never won an SEC conference title and won 13 conference crowns while a member of the Southwest Conference.

   

The #25 ranking seems fair but couldn't they have at least said that we have a "share" of a title.

[hawginbigd1]

Does this end the debate?

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/8-sec-teams-fall-top-25-espns-historically-important-programs/

It should but we live in an age where facts don't matter, so why would you think people would believe a panel of 12 reporters to rank this? I mean the fact that somebody ranked the world based on year-end polls and we were in the 20-21 range iirc didn't stop the debate, and that was statistical facts that didn't matter.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Here is the original article cited by SDS:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17336754/alabama-crimson-tide-notre-dame-fighting-irish-ohio-state-buckeyes-oklahoma-sooners-usc-trojans-lead-list-college-football-blue-bloods

   

The #25 ranking seems fair but couldn't they have at least said that we have a "share" of a title.

Yeah, that's bull. Just like when they quote zero conference titles without mentioning the SWC titles we stacked up.

[elksnort]

What in the heck is A&M doing ahead of the Razorbacks?

[bphi11ips]

Here is the original article cited by SDS:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17336754/alabama-crimson-tide-notre-dame-fighting-irish-ohio-state-buckeyes-oklahoma-sooners-usc-trojans-lead-list-college-football-blue-bloods

   

The #25 ranking seems fair but couldn't they have at least said that we have a "share" of a title.

Not sure why it's fair.  It's about 5 lower than virtually every other list I've seen.  Like most things, it's skewed to the recent past and perceptions of the recent past.  See A&M.

[Boarmonger]

Texas a&m is about 10 too high. What have they done in the last 40 years

Yeah, I don't get that either.  There was another poll that ranked them several spots above us that was published a few weeks ago.  I didn't get that one either.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Yeah, I don't get that either.  There was another poll that ranked them several spots above us that was published a few weeks ago.  I didn't get that one either.

It's b/c they have 2 heisman winners. that's the only reason. If DDawg didn't get robbed by Troy Smith, we'd be a lot higher. That and them not even counting our title :/

[sickboy]

Yeah, I don't get that either.  There was another poll that ranked them several spots above us that was published a few weeks ago.  I didn't get that one either.

Because most of these articles aren't written by historians they're written by people who born after 1980. All they know of Texas A&M is Johnny Manziel. And because he's in the news every day, even if it's not for football, they're "relevant". And in their minds -- more historic.

[bphi11ips]

Here's a more typical list published four days ago by CFN:

http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/ap-college-football-rankings-greatest-programs-of-all-time

Hogs are 19. 

[Russ22]

Here are time winning football programs (prior to 2016 season):
1.  Michigan       925
2.  Notre Dame  899
3.  Texas           886
      :
7.  Oklahoma     861
      :
12. LSU             770
      :
16. Texas A&M   717
      :
21. Arkansas      702

Based on this, I would say the ranking is pretty fair.

[DeltaBoy]

TAMU has no NC in anything that I can think of. We have 1.

[Russ22]

TAMU has no NC in anything that I can think of. We have 1.

2 Heismans (John David Crow, Johnnie Manziel)
1939 NC

[Hogwild]

TAMU has no NC in anything that I can think of. We have 1.

A&M has an AP title

[Cinco de Hogo]

The problem is that Arkansas had been steady dropping in these type rankings since joining the SEC.  Nobody remembers our glory days anymore.

[Inhogswetrust]

What in the heck is A&M doing ahead of the Razorbacks?

They shouldn't be.

[Boarmonger]

2 Heismans (John David Crow, Johnnie Manziel)
1939 NC

I get that they have two Heismans.  What about other awards that are less of a popularity contest?  Outland, Rimmington, Doak Walker...etc. These should hold as much weight as a Heisman as players at different positions are excluded from the Heisman.

[razorbackkid]

Arkansas suffered thru Houston Nutt, Smilely, and Jack Crowe....to me that is historically important.

[Inhogswetrust]

Arkansas suffered thru Houston Nutt, Smilely, and Jack Crowe....to me that is historically important.

ALL schools have had bad coaches.

[The Hawg Marshal]

ALL schools have had bad coaches.

Yep even Alabama has had some bad coaches. But when you win championships by the basket load, the bad years get forgotten. Rightfully so.

[Tejano Jawg]

Here's a more typical list published four days ago by CFN:

http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/ap-college-football-rankings-greatest-programs-of-all-time

Hogs are 19. 

In this one, you can see the rank by decade. Here's where Arkansas is—
-In the 60s = 2nd (tie with Texas, yuck)
-In the 70s = 10th (tie)
-In the 80s = 20th

I thought we'd be higher ranked in the 80s...Holtz and Hatfield's teams. Guess we were good most of that time, just not great. Lots of bowl games, but not so many bowl wins.

[Hogwild]

The problem is that Arkansas had been steady dropping in these type rankings since joining the SEC.  Nobody remembers our glory days anymore.

Since we joined the SEC, 24 years ago we have had 8 different  Head Coaches-

Head Coach winning %    +/- .500 in SEC
1) Crowe       37%               N/A
2) Kines        35%               -1
3) Ford          46%               -8
4) Nutt          61%               +4
5) Herring       0%               N/A
6) Petrino       67%               +2
7) Smith         33%               -4
8 ) Bielema     47%              -10

[Cinco de Hogo]

Since we joined the SEC, 24 years ago we have had 8 different  Head Coaches-

Head Coach winning %    +/- .500 in SEC
1) Crowe       37%               N/A
2) Kines        35%               -1
3) Ford          46%               -8
4) Nutt          61%               +4
5) Herring       0%               N/A
6) Petrino       67%               +2
7) Smith         33%               -4
8 ) Bielema     47%              -10

LOL and we fired the only two with positive numbers, only at Arkansas.

[Inhogswetrust]

LOL and we fired the only two with positive numbers, only at Arkansas.

Wrong. Only one of those you are thinking about with a positive number was fired. Other places have fired coaches with winning records. It doesn't happen as often as with a losing record and sometimes there are other factors involved but it does happen.

[Cinco de Hogo]

Wrong. Only one of those you are thinking about with a positive number was fired. Other places have fired coaches with winning records. It doesn't happen as often as with a losing record and sometimes there are other factors involved but it does happen.

Not arguing, it was just a LOL statement you know.  But you would get an argument from a lot of people on Nutt.  I think the only difference between hm and Pettino was the high level supporter Nutt had.

[PorkSoda]

Wrong. Only one of those you are thinking about with a positive number was fired. Other places have fired coaches with winning records. It doesn't happen as often as with a losing record and sometimes there are other factors involved but it does happen.

riiight, nutt wasn't fired, he was paid to leave...as in he didn't have a choice in the matter.

[Hogwild]

LOL and we fired the only two with positive numbers, only at Arkansas.

To be fair we also fired most of those with losing records as well.

[Cinco de Hogo]

To be fair we also fired most of those with losing records as well.

LOL, equal opportunity firing!  That's a unique concept.

[NaturalStateReb]

Texas a&m is about 10 too high. What have they done in the last 40 years

Agree. If find that puzzling. The consummate all-hat, no cattle program.