For All Who Think Lebron Is A Great Humble, Guy

[WarPig88]

Top heavy?? Spurs lost there last regular season. Game and went from the 2 seed to the 6 seed.  There's isnt a lot of difference between the 2-7 seeds and then u throw in PHX and OKC the top 10 of the 16 would come out of the west.  If it was bs they wouldn't be in talks about getting the best 16 in, instead of top 8 from the west and east.  OKC was 9th in the west and would of been 4-5 seed in the east.  If u think the east is anywhere close to the west that's ridiculous

Top heavy. The Pelicans stink. OKC was down. Sacramento is awful, as are the Jazz, Nuggets and Twolves.

Both Conferences had 4 teams below 40% win pct.

When you look at how the teams from the West fared against the teams from the East you will find that their win pct against the Eastern teams is practically identical to how they performed against their Western Conf brethren.

Like I said, the West was overrated due to being so good at the top.

[jry04]

Lebron is a great player. He just rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

If social media were around when Jordan played, he would have too. The guy isn't a very good player. Great player, though.

[Dr. Starcs]

http://www.sportsmemes.net/meme/5484

[lefty08]

I never was much of a Jordan fan, I grew up a Knicks fan


That being said, Jordan never had to say how great he was to anyone. His fans never had to scream that he was the best ever. It was understood by fans and players alike

That's the sign of the greatest ever

LeBron can't hold Jordan's jock when it comes to skill set. LeBron is definitely bigger and an amazing athlete at 6'9". LeBron shrinks in big moments, Jordan took the shot miss or make and would never let a teammate shoot the final shot. LeBron has shown time and time again he's a mental midget. He cares way too much what people think, Jordan just played the game, didn't give a dang, and let everyone else say how great he was

[latrops]

Edit:  I always thought Lebron was great. Never thought he was humble nor ever thought he needed to be.

Ditto.  I never really thought of "King" James....The Chosen One....as humble.  I mean, seriously, didn't "The Decision" tv special settle any humility questions?

Probably one of the greatest to ever play, and maybe even a relatively fun and generally personable guy....but not particularly humble.

[jry04]

I never was much of a Jordan fan, I grew up a Knicks fan


That being said, Jordan never had to say how great he was to anyone. His fans never had to scream that he was the best ever. It was understood by fans and players alike

That's the sign of the greatest ever

LeBron can't hold Jordan's jock when it comes to skill set. LeBron is definitely bigger and an amazing athlete at 6'9". LeBron shrinks in big moments, Jordan took the shot miss or make and would never let a teammate shoot the final shot. LeBron has shown time and time again he's a mental midget. He cares way too much what people think, Jordan just played the game, didn't give a dang, and let everyone else say how great he was

Facebook, Twitter, and message boards weren't around back then. You don't know what fans did and didn't do other than the ones you talked to in person. Much different era and society back then.


You also clearly haven't watched LBJ in the last 3 or 4 years. He takes the last shot, and has had some of his best basketball in the 4th.

[lefty08]

Facebook, Twitter, and message boards weren't around back then. You don't know what fans did and didn't do other than the ones you talked to in person. Much different era and society back then.


You also clearly haven't watched LBJ in the last 3 or 4 years. He takes the last shot, and has had some of his best basketball in the 4th.

Obviously

[alaback]

I never was much of a Jordan fan, I grew up a Knicks fan


That being said, Jordan never had to say how great he was to anyone. His fans never had to scream that he was the best ever. It was understood by fans and players alike

That's the sign of the greatest ever

LeBron can't hold Jordan's jock when it comes to skill set. LeBron is definitely bigger and an amazing athlete at 6'9". LeBron shrinks in big moments, Jordan took the shot miss or make and would never let a teammate shoot the final shot. LeBron has shown time and time again he's a mental midget. He cares way too much what people think, Jordan just played the game, didn't give a dang, and let everyone else say how great he was

John Paxon says hi...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnAr4I3-Z48

[ErieHog]

I never was much of a Jordan fan, I grew up a Knicks fan


That being said, Jordan never had to say how great he was to anyone. His fans never had to scream that he was the best ever. It was understood by fans and players alike

That's the sign of the greatest ever

LeBron can't hold Jordan's jock when it comes to skill set. LeBron is definitely bigger and an amazing athlete at 6'9". LeBron shrinks in big moments, Jordan took the shot miss or make and would never let a teammate shoot the final shot. LeBron has shown time and time again he's a mental midget. He cares way too much what people think, Jordan just played the game, didn't give a dang, and let everyone else say how great he was

Did you miss the entire Michael Jordan era?

He more than gave a dang-- he was personally offended by the possibility anyone thought he wasn't the best ever.    He's the guy that punched teammates in practice,  turned dream team pickup games into a personal effort to demonstrate that his ego was justified,  and was such an insufferable guy that his HoF ceremony was essentially the most uncomfortable in the last 20 years.

No one more assiduously cultivated the cult of his own greatness, than MJ.

[bigred223]

Miami had a lot of injuries. Chris Bosh almost died, literally. I wouldn't say the only difference was "no lebron."

[lefty08]

Did you miss the entire Michael Jordan era?

He more than gave a dang-- he was personally offended by the possibility anyone thought he wasn't the best ever.    He's the guy that punched teammates in practice,  turned dream team pickup games into a personal effort to demonstrate that his ego was justified,  and was such an insufferable guy that his HoF ceremony was essentially the most uncomfortable in the last 20 years.

No one more assiduously cultivated the cult of his own greatness, than MJ.

Yeah I never watched  basketball when Jordan played im just telling you what I think my opinion would be if I had watched......

[husker71]

switch Le Bron and Curry and would the Cavs even come close in any game??  Those who give LeBron hell because he said he was the best player in the world should know that IMHO he was only talking to his teammates who looked like they had given up and needed him badly to say I am the best so we can still win this.  We are seeing one of the greatest of all time maybe in the top 5

[husker71]

don't forget Kerrs story after he won the championship with the Bulls about how Jordan begged him to take the last shot because he had lost his nerve.  One of the funniest tongue in cheek stories in basketball.  Jordans slapping of Rodman in the huddle is legendary.  Never will I underestimate LeBron

[HawgnCorona]

Miami had a lot of injuries. Chris Bosh almost died, literally. I wouldn't say the only difference was "no lebron."

Absolutely...they (Wade and Bosh) missed a combined 58 games. And there bench suffered too when Ray Allen didnt return.

So its wasnt all about LBJ.

[WarPig88]

Absolutely...they (Wade and Bosh) missed a combined 58 games. And there bench suffered too when Ray Allen didnt return.

So its wasnt all about LBJ.

Actually, it still was as Lebron could have still carried them a lot further than they went without him.

[lefty08]

Actually, it still was as Lebron could have still carried them a lot further than they went without him.

Wait......are you guys arguing he's a great player or the greatest ever?


HUGE difference.

If course Miami would have been better with LeBron, or any number of all star players

[jry04]

Yeah I never watched  basketball when Jordan played im just telling you what I think my opinion would be if I had watched......

Honestly, that would make more sense than what you said originally, because what you said was opposite of reality.

[WarPig88]

Wait......are you guys arguing he's a great player or the greatest ever?


HUGE difference.

If course Miami would have been better with LeBron, or any number of all star players

Michael Jordan is the greatest. I can't see how anyone could argue to the contrary, but Lebron is an all time great player regardless of what those who are negative about him think.

Lebron is the greatest player of his generation and second place isn't even close.

A man his size that can do all the things he does is an extremely rare commodity. It is possible we may never see another guy like him again, just like a Charles Barkley.

Not the greatest of all time, but a very rare player none the less.

[lefty08]

Honestly, that would make more sense than what you said originally, because what you said was opposite of reality.

Yeah, that entire post was sarcasm directed at the smartass response to my opinion of "do you even watch basketball"

[jry04]

Yeah, that entire post was sarcasm directed at the smartass response to my opinion of "do you even watch basketball"

I know it was. I was saying your sarcastic response would actually make more sense than your original post.

[lefty08]

I know it was. I was saying your sarcastic response would actually make more sense than your original post.

Ahhh; the double smartass entendre. I missed it

[jry04]

Ahhh; the double smartass entendre. I missed it

lol

I don't agree with pretty much anything you have said in here, but I do enjoy your sarcasm.

[lefty08]

lol

I don't agree with pretty much anything you have said in here, but I do enjoy your sarcasm.

and I enjoy your takes, just curious about how old you are

Seems to be a common theme with the LeBron is the greatest screamers

[husker71]

I am ONLY arguing that he is one of the greatest of all time   I agree that MJ is the best   others include Magic and Wilt for sure  Kareem and Bird and Duncan

[jry04]

  and I enjoy your takes, just curious about how old you are

Seems to be a common theme with the LeBron is the greatest screamers

I am not claiming LBJ is the greatest. Never have. I personally believe we cannot say whether he is the greatest until his career is over. I also feel it is difficult to compare MJ to LBJ when they are completely different types of players in completely different eras.

I just don't agree with most of the criticism against LBJ. He used to look to pass and didn't want to take the last shot. Now, he wants to. He used to disappear in the 4th. He still has some bad ones, but has had some great ones the last few years in the playoffs. I also don't agree with the whole "he isn't the greatest because he has to join others to win." MJ was 1-9 in the playoffs before Pippen was drafted to the Bulls. I think too many people spend time hating on LBJ to actually appreciate what he brings to the game. Personality aside, in 15-20 years, people will look back on LBJ much like people do on MJ. A great player that we were lucky to watch because there won't be many more like him.

[Dr. Starcs]

"before Pippen was drafted to the bulls"

Big difference there. Lebron bolted the first chance he got to join one all star and one superstar to get his.

[jry04]

"before Pippen was drafted to the bulls"

Big difference there. Lebron bolted the first chance he got to join one all star and one superstar to get his.

You completely missed my point. MJ needed help. He couldn't do it himself.

I really couldn't care less who went where. LBJ wanted to win, so he surrounded himself with talent when the Cavs proved they wouldn't. Shaq went to LAL. I don't get this whole notion from fans that hate LBJ because he joined other good players. Is that not the point? KG and Allen joined Pierce in their primes. They were 20+ ppg players at the time. Shaq joined Kobe. Howard joined Harden.

[Hawghiggs]

 The biggest mistake that the Cavs have made is letting LeBron run the show. He is a great player. But that doesn't make him a great coach or general manager.  When they traded Wiggins, Bennett and an additional 1st round pick for Kevin Love. I knew this was going to end badly. I know they made the finals. But now they have salary cap issues and Wiggins ended up being Rookie of the year.

[hawgmasta]

Michael Jordan and Lebron James are the best players of all time in the "modern era." Everybody happy now?

It's hard for me to compare Oscar and Wilt when the talent level wasn't nearly as much as it was from the 80s on.

[LZH]

I don't think it matters how many ring Lebron wins. People are still going to hate on him. It's true people hate greatness.

When he, Wade, and Bosh came out and did that silly concert-type show and dance (I don't really know what to call it) for the media, I was done with him.  Dancing around, high fiving people, and generally acting like 8th graders who had already won something was embarrassing....it certainly was awkward for those who were in attendance.

He may be great, but since that day I have enjoyed seeing him lose...especially games he took it upon himself in the last possession or two to win it and couldn't finish.  Ha, King James indeed.

[lefty08]

When he, Wade, and Bosh came out and did that silly concert-type show and dance (I don't really know what to call it) for the media, I was done with him.  Dancing around, high fiving people, and generally acting like 8th graders who had already won something was embarrassing....it certainly was awkward for those who were in attendance.

He may be great, but since that day I have enjoyed seeing him lose...especially games he took it upon himself in the last possession or two to win it and couldn't finish.  Ha, King James indeed.

I feel the same way, it was garbage.  The fact that the examples of shaq going to the Lakers and Allen and KG going to Boston was the same thing as that debacle is hilarious. There is one big difference between LeBron and those guys........those guys aren't claiming to be the best player in the history of basketball

[pigture perfect]

Does this conversation even happen if Love and Irving had been healthy in the playoffs? I think not.

[latrops]

Miami had a lot of injuries. Chris Bosh almost died, literally. I wouldn't say the only difference was "no lebron."

If Miami can get a useful free agent and/or their first rd pick genuinely contributes, they could be an interesting team next season with the emergence of Hassan Whiteside.  Of course, between Wade/Bosh/Whiteside....health and durability are likely to be an issue.

[latrops]

Does this conversation even happen if Love and Irving had been healthy in the playoffs? I think not.

Maybe even if only Irving had been healthy.  I'm not sure Love, as a 3rd offensive option, adds enough on offense to offset his defensive limitations.  His numbers took quite a hit this year, similar to what happened with Bosh in Miami.  Love is a great player, but his strengths are somewhat diminished if he is primarily used as a floor spacer that takes a back seat to Lebron and Irving.  Regardless, their defense greatly improved after losing Love and dealing with a slowed Irving before ultimately losing him as well.  It certainly would have been interesting to have seen how much a difference Irving, Love, or both would have made.

[jry04]

I feel the same way, it was garbage.  The fact that the examples of shaq going to the Lakers and Allen and KG going to Boston was the same thing as that debacle is hilarious. There is one big difference between LeBron and those guys........those guys aren't claiming to be the best player in the history of basketball

Nobody is saying how they did it is the same. LBJ was immature, and an idiot for doing that. My point was other stars joined up. Not that they joined up with a concert.

Also LBJ said hes the best in the world, and he is. When did he say he is the best ever?

Does this conversation even happen if Love and Irving had been healthy in the playoffs? I think not.

Nope. If they could have just won that game in regulation they likely win the series with Kyrie.

They will coast through the East again next year, though.

[MikePiazza]

If you hate LeBron, it says more about you than it does about LeBron.

[RazorPiggie]

Lebrons greatness.

2-4

2 of the 4 losses are with teams that had a total of 1 other All Star on the team that year and Irving basically didn't play in the finals this year.

[onebadrubi]

If you hate LeBron, it says more about you than it does about LeBron.

This.  One of the espn radio guys said it early on in the finals, these people are just telling on themselves. 

[micali]

I don't have much to offer but when Lebron loses, It makes me smile. 

[micali]

If you hate LeBron, it says more about you than it does about LeBron.

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[MikePiazza]

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Why does it make you smile when LeBron loses? Why would you enjoy seeing someone else fail? Unless they've done something personally to you, I see no reason for "hating" professional athletes that you've never met and will never meet.

Do you have to like them or cheer them on to success? No. But you certainly don't have to root for their failure or "smile" when they lose, either.

[rwspear]

This makes me laugh every time I see someone say it. How about you post how many first round exits MJ has compared to LBJ. I will help you out, LBJ has 0.

Yes, LBJ doesn't have a great record in finals, but he has been to 5 straight, and 6 total. That is pretty amazing. I find it incredibly stupid that people think that having a 2-4 record in Finals is terrible. Do you not realize how hard it is just to get to the Finals? If LBJ  plays 6 more years, makes 4 more finals, and wins 2 of them, he will be 4-6 in Finals appearances. People like you will laugh at that and say it is a terrible record, but fail to realize he will have more Finals appearances than Duncan, Kobe, MJ, Shaq, Magic, etc.

It is a far better accomplishment to make the finals and lose than to get bounced in the first or 2nd round like Kobe and MJ did numerous times. Nobody considers the teammates LBJ has compared to MJ and Magic. At one point, Magic was playing with 4 HOF in the 80s. MJ's team, the year that he retired to try baseball, went 55-27 and made the 2nd round of the playoffs without MJ. The Cavs roster in the finals wouldn't have made the playoffs, and weren't expected to make the Finals.

lol lebron is phil mickelson

grats

[micali]

First off I don't hate LB.  I don't have hate for anyone.  I don't like him for my own personal reasons and if I don't cry when he loses so what.  It doesn't make me a bad person.  Would it have been better for me to say that when the Cavs lose it makes smile or be honest and say what I did.
I don't sit around and root for him to fail.  I have more important things to do.  I'm sure there is some professional athlete that you don't like and when his team loses you kinda smile or have some sort of "enjoyment" or whatever you feel at that moment, when that happens and if you don't your a better person than myself. 

[rwspear]

Why does it make you smile when LeBron loses? Why would you enjoy seeing someone else fail? Unless they've done something personally to you, I see no reason for "hating" professional athletes that you've never met and will never meet.

Do you have to like them or cheer them on to success? No. But you certainly don't have to root for their failure or "smile" when they lose, either.

gtfo your high horse.

whenever your team wins and you smile, youre also smiling bc some other team lost.

when your favorite player does well and you smile, youre also smiling bc some other dude did poorly.

this aint a Boulder, Colorado 4th grade baseball game. its a zero sum game. someone has to lose.

i root against carmelo, i root against suh, i root against texas, and i sometimes root against lebron.

welcome to competitive sports, rook.

[Cresthog]

Why does everyone thing Jordan's hall of fame speech was so bad?

It's seriously blown out of proportion. He's cocky, but its still pretty funny.

[MikePiazza]

gtfo your high horse.

whenever your team wins and you smile, youre also smiling bc some other team lost.

when your favorite player does well and you smile, youre also smiling bc some other dude did poorly.

this aint a Boulder, Colorado 4th grade baseball game. its a zero sum game. someone has to lose.

i root against carmelo, i root against suh, i root against texas, and i sometimes root against lebron.

welcome to competitive sports, rook.

I just feel like the stuff people dislike LeBron for, or root against him for, is pretty weak sauce.

[MikePiazza]

First off I don't hate LB.  I don't have hate for anyone.  I don't like him for my own personal reasons and if I don't cry when he loses so what.  It doesn't make me a bad person.  Would it have been better for me to say that when the Cavs lose it makes smile or be honest and say what I did.
I don't sit around and root for him to fail.  I have more important things to do.  I'm sure there is some professional athlete that you don't like and when his team loses you kinda smile or have some sort of "enjoyment" or whatever you feel at that moment, when that happens and if you don't your a better person than myself.

What are these personal reasons? Are they too personal to share on an anonymous Internet message board?

[micali]

It's because of the millions and millions he makes and the lifestyle he lives.  I'm just Jelouse I guess.

[rwspear]

I just feel like the stuff people dislike LeBron for, or root against him for, is pretty weak sauce.

so youre a lebron-hater hater

/irony

[MikePiazza]

so youre a lebron-hater hater

/irony

No, I just honestly don't get the vitriol directed at him.