Whaley to UGA

[ricepig]

OK Crockett your in

Check back in Feb to see if he's "in."

[mckinneyhog5]

Anyone who wants to be a bagman must write a 5 page essay on what it means to "make it rain".

[Big Boi]

Well, guess he was just blowing smoke last weekend.

I really like Richard, but this is getting really old.

[JaketheSnake]

You are a comic genius, sir. And you are also a genius when it comes to hitting the "quote" button and writing underneath it.

With long winded quotes it isn't always easy to get underneath with an iPhone. 

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Really? Name them. There used to be one there were rumors about and he was small potatoes.

My point was to imply that actually not everyone has a bagman.  As soon as we lose a recruit, the $$$$ excuses come out...bagman or other methods.  As if everybody cheats...Excepts us, of course. Sure, we can haggle over the meaning of bagman, but the point is a general one.  We ain't pure as the driven snow.  Common sense says we have $$$$ floating out here too, but we excuse it by suggesting that it ain't as much as our competition.  You know, the real cheaters.

Do I think we're operating in the same context as say AU?  Of course not.  There's no documentation that I know of to suggest that.  And that makes it all better.

[Mike Irwin]

I really like Richard, but this is getting really old.

What does Richard have to do with this?

[Bubba's Bruisers]

I really like Richard, but this is getting really old.

You don't like reporting?

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Devwah wasn't asked if he had a leader. He was asked how did the visit go and he said Arkansas was definitely his leader. That wasn't me or anyone else saying that. He did. Something changed in the last few days. What exactly I can't tell you. Devwah isn't the first kid to have a change of heart is a very short period of time. Happens all the time.

I don't expect Arkansas to stop recruiting him.

I agree, and I don't see how this corrects anything I've posted.  All the scuttlebutt out there has said he's a UGA lean for a while.  He visits UA and comments that UA is the leader now.  Maybe he was just on a high from the visit.  Then a couple days later he commits to UGA...the place he's supposedly favored throughout much of the process.  As I said, his commit shouldn't surprise anyone if the scuttlebutt was true.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Must've been the thrilling overtime win against Georgia Southern.  I know, I know, at least they won.  So fricking disgusting.  Go get Porter, if we can.

Texas Longhorn lock

[Mike Irwin]

My point was to imply that actually not everyone has a bagman.  As soon as we lose a recruit, the $$$$ excuses come out...bagman or other methods.  As if everybody cheats...Excepts us, of course. Sure, we can haggle over the meaning of bagman, but the point is a general one.  We ain't pure as the driven snow.  Common sense says we have $$$$ floating out here too, but we excuse it by suggesting that it ain't as much as our competition.  You know, the real cheaters.

There are certain schools where the providing of extra benefits is a tradition within certain families going back two and three generations. Arkansas is not one of those schools. Arkansas loses recruits because it. It may not be as common as some would suggest but it happens.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Really? Name them. There used to be one there were rumors about and he was small potatoes.

And THAT is exactly what we are witnessing. Word is out that Arkansas won't 'protect their own' and wont 'play ball' in recruiting. They are picking us to pieces.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

There are certain schools where the providing of extra benefits is a tradition within certain families going back two and three generations. Arkansas is not one of those schools. Arkansas loses recruits because it. It may not be as common as some would suggest but it happens.

No doubt it happens.  It's also difficult to recruit to Fayetteville in general...for inherent reasons we all know. 

When we lose a recruit, it ain't always about money, as so many say.

[Pig in the Pokey]

The point is he made an assumption with no real knowledge of what he was posting. Arkansas doesn't have a bag man. If they did I'd know about it. Stuff like that always gets around. At one time they had a guy who was a bagman wannbe. He was small potatoes. Some reporters started sniffing around trying to get some real facts on what he was doing and he shut it down.

What the guy could have posted as that all schools have boosters who do favors for certain players and maybe slip them some pocket money from time to time. A bag man is a guy who can deliver a recruit when other bagmen from other schools are also trying to deliver that recruit. That takes some serious cash and it has to be done in a smart way. Like a contribution to a certain church which has ties to the recruit or his parents or other family members.

Wasn't thet guy actually funnelling to Aubarn tho?

[Bubba's Bruisers]

And THAT is exactly what we are witnessing. Word is out that Arkansas won't 'protect their own' and wont 'play ball' in recruiting. They are picking us to pieces.

Except there's nothing new about our recruiting results.  In fact, I'd opine that recruiting is a bit better overall in the last couple years than it has been in the past.  Not because we're handing out cash, but probably because we have better recruiters on staff. 

Granted, OM's resent results is a glaring anomaly. 

[Prestworthy]

There are certain schools where the providing of extra benefits is a tradition within certain families going back two and three generations. Arkansas is not one of those schools. Arkansas loses recruits because it. It may not be as common as some would suggest but it happens.

Sounds like we need some deep pockets to step up and compete for us.  This is getting really old.

[Prestworthy]

We may have bagmen.  If we do, they suck

This was hilarious btw

[mckinneyhog5]

No doubt it happens.  It's also difficult to recruit to Fayetteville in general...for inherent reasons we all know. 

When we lose a recruit, it ain't always about money, as so many say.

A recurit that chooses Georgia knows that hanging out in Atlanta on the weekend or the off season beats anything Arkansas has to offer.  Also, you know they probably get special treatment while they're there. 

[JaketheSnake]

If losing recruits was only about things to do in town, Vandy would be taking them in.  It's about more than that and Fayet is a fine college town.  Ark just doesn't have the "name" that UGA, OU, Bama, LSU etc has. 

[mckinneyhog5]

If losing recruits was only about things to do in town, Vandy would be taking them in.  It's about more than that and Fayet is a fine college town.  Ark just doesn't have the "name" that UGA, OU, Bama, LSU etc has. 

Atlanta would crush Nashville to most recruits...not even close.   Also, Vandy is more committed to academics then football. 
What has Georgia done lately?  If recruits were still choosing "names". Why are Miami and Nebraska not relevant anymore?
My point was, if it comes down to Arkansas v Georgia for a recruit, I can understand why they would choose Georgia and it's not because of the "name".

[Bubba's Bruisers]

A recurit that chooses Georgia knows that hanging out in Atlanta on the weekend or the off season beats anything Arkansas has to offer.  Also, you know they probably get special treatment while they're there. 

Me bets just about every school offers some form of special treatment.

[Big Boi]

What does Richard have to do with this?

Wasn't meant to be a dig a Richard. I really Like Richard, but it seems to be pointless to keep up with recruiting when our expert can't receive valid info from recruit. UGA recruiting guru seemed to get the true story within 24hr of Whaley OV to hogs. I understand Richard can't help it if the recruit lied to him but can't we dig any deeper then that? If we have the contacts to ask said UGA expert where he got the story why not? 

[Bubba's Bruisers]

If losing recruits was only about things to do in town, Vandy would be taking them in.  It's about more than that and Fayet is a fine college town.  Ark just doesn't have the "name" that UGA, OU, Bama, LSU etc has. 

It's about all of it.  Fayetteville resides far from most recruiting hotbeds and UA ain't a FB rich tradition. 

[Big Boi]

Atlanta would crush Nashville to most recruits...not even close.   Also, Vandy is more committed to academics then football. 
What has Georgia done lately?  If recruits were still choosing "names". Why are Miami and Nebraska not relevant anymore?
My point was, if it comes down to Arkansas v Georgia for a recruit, I can understand why they would choose Georgia and it's not because of the "name".

Maybe. Nashville is the "it" town at the moment. I understand it might not appeal to all recruits but it is now vacation destination.   

[Nipsey Mussle]

I really like Richard, but this is getting really old.

17 year old kids being flaky? Yeah, no doubt it does get old.

However, Richard rightly noting what they say and providing it to us for free, does not get old.

If you take what a 17 year old says as the gospel and can't handle the potential letdown, that's a you problem.

[Kevin]

Everyone knows who cheats, the ncaa knows who cheats, they don't care.

[Prestworthy]

We gotta go out and get us some bagMEN.

[JaketheSnake]

It's about all of it.  Fayetteville resides far from most recruiting hotbeds and UA ain't a FB rich tradition. 

I Agree with that.  Fayet is not near the hotspots.  And most recruits haven't heard of UA doing much in a while.  Nebraska and Miami have not been relevant in a while either.

[jjdlc]

I really like Richard, but this is getting really old.

I wasn't referring to Richard, he is on the up and up.  I was referring to  Whaley stating we were his leader.

[kaiserhog]

Tuscaloosa is not exactly a happening town.  Don't buy the negativity toward Fayetteville.

[The_Hog_Father]

Tuscaloosa is not exactly a happening town.  Don't buy ithe negativity toward Fayetteville.

:razorback:

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Tuscaloosa is not exactly a happening town.  Don't buy the negativity toward Fayetteville.

It's much, much closer to all the HS talent.  And it's arguably the richest FB tradition in history.  Not even comparable.

[Oklahawg]

Anyone want to consider that Richt told Whaley that a commit would save his job?

Stranger things have happened.

[presidenthog]

georgia fans are saying richt is out as early as sunday. why did he commit to georgia?

[The Hogfather]

georgia fans are saying richt is out as early as sunday. why did he commit to georgia?

Not smart.

[PorkRinds]

georgia fans are saying richt is out as early as sunday. why did he commit to georgia?

Which is why i say we flip him.

[sickboy]

Anyone want to consider that Richt told Whaley that a commit would save his job?

Stranger things have happened.

I've said elsewhere that I bet Richt and the staff probably strong-armed him to commit. They need good press right now and after the news came out that Whaley favored Arkansas, I wouldn't be surprised if they told him to take the offer or leave it. And I'm sure Whaley took it because he didn't want to lose an opportunity.

Here's the thing though. If a kid can change his mind in a day... you don't think he can change his mind in a couple months? I don't think it's over for Whaley. And if Richt does go... who knows?

[Prestworthy]

Anyone want to consider that Richt told Whaley that a commit would save his job?

Stranger things have happened.

Why would that make Whaley want to commit?  And Richt is way to classy to say something like that to a 17 year old kid.

[Oklahawg]

Why would that make Whaley want to commit?  And Richt is way to classy to say something like that to a 17 year old kid.

The assistant coach in charge of recruiting can arrange that.  If the kid believes in Richt enough in the first place to make UGA a prime player for a commit why would the kid not see that he could be the moment that turns things around? If you are a star you think that way - the world turns on your every move and word.

Yes, it is far-fetched.

[LRHawg]

Sounds a little far-fetched. What makes sense to me is Whaley got the ultimatum after our visit and decided to commit. There's still two months to go and Whaley knows his spot here is still open. Lots of time and pieces still in play.

[Positive Pete]

I guess that $10 I gave him wasn't enough.

[hawgfan4life]

Our bagmen don't suck.  They are using little brown sack lunch bags and other schools are using huge double layerd brown grocery bags.  Makes a difference.

[greenie]

Sounds a little far-fetched. What makes sense to me is Whaley got the ultimatum after our visit and decided to commit. There's still two months to go and Whaley knows his spot here is still open. Lots of time and pieces still in play.

This^^^

As soon as the word got out that Whaley had Arkansas at the top of his list, the Georgia pressure was likely applied.  This could have manifested in many ways, but easily could have been a "commit now or never" ultimatum. 

[3kgthog]

He's going to do what when UGA allows Richt to resign to "pursue other interests"? No coach does less with more!

[Bowfishinghogfan]

the kid said he never told anyone that the hogs were in the lead. Is there any video or audio of him saying this. He was contacted the day after the reports came out saying the hogs were his leader and contradicted the story. Surely if he said it to a reporter they have tape of it.

[RazorPiggie]

the kid said he never told anyone that the hogs were in the lead. Is there any video or audio of him saying this. He was contacted the day after the reports came out saying the hogs were his leader and contradicted the story. Surely if he said it to a reporter they have tape of it.

Why would RD lie about that? He has no reason to. RD doesn't try to play us.

[grayhawg]

the kid said he never told anyone that the hogs were in the lead. Is there any video or audio of him saying this. He was contacted the day after the reports came out saying the hogs were his leader and contradicted the story. Surely if he said it to a reporter they have tape of it.

If the kid or RD is lying, I'd say RD is telling the truth.

[RedyorNot]

I've said elsewhere that I bet Richt and the staff probably strong-armed him to commit. They need good press right now and after the news came out that Whaley favored Arkansas, I wouldn't be surprised if they told him to take the offer or leave it. And I'm sure Whaley took it because he didn't want to lose an opportunity.

Here's the thing though. If a kid can change his mind in a day... you don't think he can change his mind in a couple months? I don't think it's over for Whaley. And if Richt does go... who knows?

Completely agree.

[colbs]

Why would RD lie about that? He has no reason to. RD doesn't try to play us.

Biddy and a Texas recruiting guy reported it with quotes from him.  The whole situation is weird. 

[The_Hog_Father]

the kid said he never told anyone that the hogs were in the lead. Is there any video or audio of him saying this. He was contacted the day after the reports came out saying the hogs were his leader and contradicted the story. Surely if he said it to a reporter they have tape of it.

Yes there is audio that was recorded by 4 Recruiting Journalists. There is no link that I know of but OK did say this on 24/7. My memory is hazy whether or not RD said that so... Hope that helps.

[RebelW]

If he's that wishy washy and not "REAL" with people. Just on whose ever side is standing infront of him then I'm glad he went to UGA.. Stand for something or fall for anything. Pet peeve