Jeff Long

[HawgTide]

Arkansas can do better than this, you are right. But blaming Jeff Long for Bielema's coaching is asinine. Long made an excellent hire, it just isn't panning out. No reason to fire him because you are angry and need someone to vent your anger on.

You are being too level headed. Freak out more

[DeltaBoy]

Fire Jeff Integrity LONG who has Wins as Uncommon as the players Bret signs.

[GuvHog]

Yes, and a reasonable AD with a lick of sense would have given him one with a piddly arse buyout.  That way, if after one year, he is doing well, keep him.  If not, cut him lose.  That way, he would have coached and recruited as if he were going to be around.  That way, the players would have been accountable because the coach might be back next year.

But the absolute worst thing you could do is take an absolute buffoon and give him a one year contract ensuring that there was no in encentive to recruit, no accountability for players or coaches, no plan to sell.  In short a completely wasted year.

And YES, I said so at the time.

Well said hawgon, VERY well said!!

[rhames]

Yes, and a reasonable AD with a lick of sense would have given him one with a piddly arse buyout.  That way, if after one year, he is doing well, keep him.  If not, cut him lose.  That way, he would have coached and recruited as if he were going to be around.  That way, the players would have been accountable because the coach might be back next year.

But the absolute worst thing you could do is take an absolute buffoon and give him a one year contract ensuring that there was no in encentive to recruit, no accountability for players or coaches, no plan to sell.  In short a completely wasted year.

And YES, I said so at the time.

Fulmer wouldn't have agreed to that. He wanted a 4 year guaranteed contract so his buyout after one season would have been, at the least 9MM dollars.

[rhames]

Well said hawgon, VERY well said!!

Not really. Maybe in the land of candy canes and fairy dust.

[hawgon]

Fulmer wouldn't have agreed to that. He wanted a 4 year guaranteed contract so his buyout after one season would have been, at the least 9MM dollars.

No, he didn't.  He wanted to coach.

[rhames]

No, he didn't.  He wanted to coach.

For 4 years.

[GuvHog]

Fulmer wouldn't have agreed to that. He wanted a 4 year guaranteed contract so his buyout after one season would have been, at the least 9MM dollars.

He would have accepted the job with a 5 Million dollar buyout.

[hawgon]

For 4 years.

NYJMSU

[lechon]

Calling for the AD to be fired is much easier than facing up to the actual problems with the football program. Many of which stem from Arkansas being to small and too white, and I am referring to the state not the team.

Pine Bluff says hold my beer.

[rhames]

He would have accepted the job with a 5 Million dollar buyout.

Hahahahahaha. Even if he did that would mean we would have paid him at least 8MM for just one yesr of coaching Guv


How dense are you?

[Hog Pharm]

Yes, and a reasonable AD with a lick of sense would have given him one with a piddly arse buyout.  That way, if after one year, he is doing well, keep him.  If not, cut him lose.  That way, he would have coached and recruited as if he were going to be around.  That way, the players would have been accountable because the coach might be back next year.

But the absolute worst thing you could do is take an absolute buffoon and give him a one year contract ensuring that there was no in encentive to recruit, no accountability for players or coaches, no plan to sell.  In short a completely wasted year.

And YES, I said so at the time.

You don't think recruits and coaches from opposing schools would realize that? It would have been used against us in recruiting. Plus I doubt a coach of any reasonable caliber is going to accept a job without some sort of reassurance he won't be fired after one year.

[rhames]

NYJMSU

Fulmer said he would take the job but wanted a 4 year contract.

https://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/4/18/2957560/phil-fulmer-arkansas-rumors

[HawgTide]

No, he didn't.  He wanted to coach.

Guv likes your logic. That's not a good thing

[GuvHog]

Hahahahahaha. Even if he did that would mean we would have paid him at least 8MM for just one yesr of coaching Guv


How dense are you?

He wouldn't have been bought out after one year because he is a quality coach. He would have been allowed to coach for the whole 4 years, I'm smart enough to know that.

[rhames]

He wouldn't have been bought out after one year because he is a quality coach. He would have been allowed to coach for the whole 4 years, I'm smart enough to know that.

You just agreed that long should have hired him then fired him

[hogsanity]

Pine Bluff says hold my beer.

So pine bluff is the whole state?

[woodrow hog call]

One thing so many of you CBP worshipers have never realized is how Smiley got the job.

Why was he even considered?
Who brought him in to the program?
Who spoke so highly of him, and bragged about how much he had learned from him?

Jeff Long was left with very few options, none that were good, but one of those was the man that CBP, (that's right) had personally brought in and given such glowing recommendations for.

So put yourself in JL's shoes for a minute, some of you have never hired or fired anyone so that's hard for you to do, but there you are in that predicament and the MENTOR of the guy that built this team is sitting there saying all the right things about how he knows what CBP has done to get to this level and he can surely do it for one year at least.

If you can't see the reasoning behind that choice, you are really blinded by hatred or  something.

[hawgon]

Fulmer said he would take the job but wanted a 4 year contract.

A four year contract was easy.  I've already told you how it should have been done.  Either Fulmer or Davis would have taken he job under the circumstances I described and that is what should have been done.

[hawgon]

One thing so many of you CBP worshipers have never realized is how Smiley got the job.

Why was he even considered?
Who brought him in to the program?
Who spoke so highly of him, and bragged about how much he had learned from him?

Jeff Long was left with very few options, none that were good, but one of those was the man that CBP, (that's right) had personally brought in and given such glowing recommendations for.

So put yourself in JL's shoes for a minute, some of you have never hired or fired anyone so that's hard for you to do, but there you are in that predicament and the MENTOR of the guy that built this team is sitting there saying all the right things about how he knows what CBP has done to get to this level and he can surely do it for one year at least.

If you can't see the reasoning behind that choice, you are really blinded by hatred or  something.

Your reasoning is invalid.  Why?  Because you've never met JLS and talked to him for more than 30 seconds.  I have.  No one who had, would have hired him for that job unless he was crazier than JLS.

[ricepig]

We should sign an entire offensive line every class.

Well, we should sign 5 guys that can actually play.

[hogsanity]

Your reasoning is invalid.  Why?  Because you've never met JLS and talked to him for more than 30 seconds.  I have.  No one who had, would have hired him for that job unless he was crazier than JLS.

Yet BP hired him, sought him out even to be on his staff, so I guess that make BP crazier too?

[ricepig]

So pine bluff is the whole state?

And that would be a 40.....

[hawgon]

Yet BP hired him, sought him out even to be on his staff, so I guess that make BP crazier too?

He was BP's mascot and that is a fact.  Some teams have a goofy dog or stuffed animal toy, we had JLS who loved to tell stories that began with things like, "Back when I was in Nepal..."

[gchamblee]

Your reasoning is invalid.  Why?  Because you've never met JLS and talked to him for more than 30 seconds.  I have.  No one who had, would have hired him for that job unless he was crazier than JLS.

The man thanking you for handing him a towel as he exits the bathroom does not qualify as a 30 second conversation.

[Wildhog]

To be fair, JLS is an outstanding special teams coordinator.

That's no reason to hire him as HC, but it should be noted.

[rhames]

A four year contract was easy.  I've already told you how it should have been done.  Either Fulmer or Davis would have taken he job under the circumstances I described and that is what should have been done.

Again. That means there would be a buyout involved of, at least 9MM.

[FutureMan]

The man thanking you for handing him a towel as he exits the bathroom does not qualify as a 30 second conversation.

Haha!  Well played.

[Sho Nuff]

I'm 40 years old and I've been a Razorback fan since birth.  If Jeff Freaking Long get an extension and keeps Bret, I am done.  How is it that one man is given the power to destroy something that really matters to many people in this state?

[hogsanity]

I'm 40 years old and I've been a Razorback fan since birth.  If Jeff Freaking Long get an extension and keeps Bret, I am done.  How is it that one man is given the power to destroy something that really matters to many people in this state?

Drama queen much? Nothing has been destroyed. I am 47 and hog football is what it has been my whole life. One or 2 good seasons mixed in with 8 or 9 average to bad ones.

[hawgon]

Again. That means there would be a buyout involved of, at least 9MM.

No, it doesn't.  The buyout is/are liquidated damages and they can be whatever the parties agree upon.

[rhames]

No, it doesn't.  The buyout is/are liquidated damages and they can be whatever the parties agree upon.

Lol. Ok!

[ricepig]

No, it doesn't.  The buyout is/are liquidated damages and they can be whatever the parties agree upon.

And if you were his attorney you'd recommend agreeing to a reduced number?

[hawgon]

And if you were his attorney you'd recommend agreeing to a reduced number?

Sure, if he wants the job.  Phil Fulmer wasn't exactly in a position to drive a hard bargain.

[Sho Nuff]

Drama queen much? Nothing has been destroyed. I am 47 and hog football is what it has been my whole life. One or 2 good seasons mixed in with 8 or 9 average to bad ones.

I understand your point.  However, Bret is going backwards.  He claimed this was going to be a great year, now he is talking about rebuilding - in year 5.  That normally comes on the heels of some good seasons, we never had the benefit of those in his reign.  Name one position group that is better this year than last year, maybe the secondary???  My point is that it is really hard to see how things will ever improve under Bret.  If he is allowed to continue to be the coach, Long is saying suck it fans.  You okay with that?

[GuvHog]

Drama queen much? Nothing has been destroyed. I am 47 and hog football is what it has been my whole life. One or 2 good seasons mixed in with 8 or 9 average to bad ones.

I've got you by 15 years (I'm 62) and I can remember a time when the Hogs finished in the top 25 in most years. I remember watching the Hogs beat Nebraska to win the National Championship when I was 9 years old.

[EastexHawg]

Hahahahahaha. Even if he did that would mean we would have paid him at least 8MM for just one yesr of coaching Guv

Why do you assume only one year?  What if a coach who has won SEC titles and played in the NCG went 9-3 with that team?

[ricepig]

Sure, if he wants the job.  Phil Fulmer wasn't exactly in a position to drive a hard bargain.

So nobody was looking at him, or hasn't since he was fired, good candidate......

[hawgon]

So nobody was looking at him, or hasn't since he was fired, good candidate......

Yep, about like Bert when he is done here.

[GuvHog]

So nobody was looking at him, or hasn't since he was fired, good candidate......

I wouldn't call Fulmer great by any stretch of the imagination but he would have been a lot better than Smiley.

[ricepig]

Yep, about like Bert when he is done here.

So, you'll be in favor of hiring Bret should we have an April opening, surprising coming from you.....

[rhames]

Why do you assume only one year?  What if a coach who has won SEC titles and played in the NCG went 9-3 with that team?

I'm not saying he would only get 1. I'm replying to someone who said we should have hired him for only one year. I'm saying if we hired him we would have given him 4 years, because that is what it would have took to get him.

[jkstock04]

Drama queen much? Nothing has been destroyed. I am 47 and hog football is what it has been my whole life. One or 2 good seasons mixed in with 8 or 9 average to bad ones.

I see this as incorrect. The past 5 years, going into this year, have gotta be historically bad. This isn't the norm.

[hawgon]

So, you'll be in favor of hiring Bret should we have an April opening, surprising coming from you.....

Sure, the janitor is slated to retire around then anyway.  I figure if I get Bert a mobility scooter and realize his limitations, he'll be great for the job.

[hogsanity]

I've got you by 15 years (I'm 62) and I can remember a time when the Hogs finished in the top 25 in most years. I remember watching the Hogs beat Nebraska to win the National Championship when I was 9 years old.

Yea and I remember the 78 Orange bowl and the 76 Cotton Bowl. But I also remember the down years, and I remember every year since joining the sec.  Even in JFB last 5 years the Hogs only finished ranked once. Since 1970 the Hogs have finished ranked in the Ap poll only 16 times in 47 seasons and only 10 times in the last 37.

I use 1970 for 2 reasons. 1 I was born that year. 2. That was the year that the 1st fully integrated football teams saw their AA players play as JR and Sr classes.

[hawgon]

I'm not saying he would only get 1. I'm replying to someone who said we should have hired him for only one year. I'm saying if we hired him we would have given him 4 years, because that is what it would have took to get him.

I specifically did not say hire him for one year.  I said give him a four year contract with a low buyout.

[snoblind]

We should sign an entire offensive line every class.

Agreed. 

[East Clintwood]

Not worth four years it's not.

As opposed to what we ended up with?  I think it would have been much better.

[rhames]

I specifically did not say hire him for one year.  I said give him a four year contract with a low buyout.

Which he wouldn't have agreed to. He would have wanted 4 years guaranteed. His buyout would have reflected that.



He wouldn't have left himself vulnerable to the risk of being let go after one year,  which is what you are advocating for.

[East Clintwood]

I wouldn't call Fulmer great by any stretch of the imagination but he would have been a lot better than Smiley.

And Bert