How is the NCAA going to stop players from taking money from agents?

[hogsanity]

This is nothing new. Every year a player or two gets popped for doing this. Yet it still goes on. This case is just bigger because the FBI has spent years investigating the agents, oh and some agency went all stupid guy in Casino keeping detailed records ON PAPER of all the payments and who they were made to.  But how is the NCAA going to finally stop it?

Lets say it is found out a Razorback took money from an agent without Mike or the other coaches knowing, what should the NCAA do to the Hogs? Anything? Nothing? The school did nothing wrong, so should anything be done to them?

And take out your thoughts on a particular school that you think sis dirty, just look at it from the standpoint of it could happen to any school.

[Ironhawg]

So what do you recommend?  Do we abandon any semblance of amateurism in college basketball?  Do we allow players to be paid by agents upon graduating from high school?  If we do that for basketball, don't we have to do that for all sports?

[donbro]

Pay the players.

[Svrdhd]

Pay the players.

There's a lot of players in a lot of men's and women's sports, that's a TON of money.

[cram224]

 Let all 16, 17 and 18 year old's that thinks they can make it in the NBA just go. After a few years the NBA will get tired of babysitting and the rules will be changed. If kids don't want anything to do with 4 years of college it's NBA or darn out of luck.

[Ironhawg]

Pay the players.

If you pay them why do they need to be affiliated with colleges?

[hogsanity]

Let all 16, 17 and 18 year old's that thinks they can make it in the NBA just go. After a few years the NBA will get tired of babysitting and the rules will be changed. If kids don't want anything to do with 4 years of college it's NBA or darn out of luck.

nba rule not a ncaa rule.

I dont have an answer, and apparently the ncaa does not either

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

They can't. Without the power of subpoena they can't do anything.

The NCAA should legalize any form of outside payment these kids can get so its all out in the open.

IMO if a player can be paid by a booster or agent to go to a particular school or for autographs or advertisements it should be allowed. Then just leave the Universities stance as they will not pay players, but they won't prevent players from accepting money where they can get paid.

[alohawg]

The NBA could solve this by instituting a lifetime ban on players proven guilty and the NCAA could do the same to those on the supply side regarding the school, no admittance to games.
I'd venture to guess any player worth paying has NBA aspirations, and no fans want to be permanently banned from attending games. Would there be work arounds, sure, but money motivates rats too.

[Marshfieldhog]

Ban all AAU  crap. Let the kids be kids during the Summer, play other sports like they use to. The travel squads for not only Basketball but all sports is crazy.

[k.c.hawg]

The agents lose their license and their ability to leach millions.

[ArkansasI]

Paying players...  What's the value of D league players?  That's the skill set of 99% of college players. The money in the college game is sourced from fans of universities, not the kids. They get paid with tuition, room and board. That's real value... I know, I've got a child in college.

[labb]

Ban all AAU  crap. Let the kids be kids during the Summer, play other sports like they use to. The travel squads for not only Basketball but all sports is crazy.

Lots of agreement to what you say. You want to see something that is crazy check into young girl softball, travel/tournament teams. I have seen these kids go into the parks at 8:00 AM play until 2:00 AM the next morning and then be playing again at 8:00 AM..I referencing 12 year old girls..I love sports but I would not put my kid through this.JMO

[k.c.hawg]

Paying players...  What's the value of D league players?  That's the skill set of 99% of college players. The money in the college game is sourced from fans of universities, not the kids. They get paid with tuition, room and board. That's real value... I know, I've got a child in college.

100% agree. The Universities are of more service to them than they are to the universities. Tuition, room and board, $3600 to $4000 spending money, medical, best workout facilities on earth, national exposure.......glad Bobby Portis could get that and go rep. Glad other guys could get it and get their degree. This should be it....let the guys go G league out of high school, let colleges play the game with lesser talent, more fundamentals....I will still watch. Watched just as intently before one and done.....never missed the guys that went to the NBA.

[pigture perfect]

If they start paying players, college basketball will not be worth watching. Only the richest schools would win. I think criminalizing offending agents with some jail time would be a bit of a deterrent.

[hogsanity]

Ban all AAU  crap. Let the kids be kids during the Summer, play other sports like they use to. The travel squads for not only Basketball but all sports is crazy.

I'd be for this. I knew AAU was dirty when I was in HS 30+ years ago.

[Cure]

The NCAA isn't for amateurs and student athletes. Agents advancing/loaning money players isn't anything new.

The amounts in the report are drop in the bucket compared what the non-profit NCAA makes off of these amateur status kids.

[MikePiazza]

There's a difference between players meeting with agents and taking a meal from them and a coach brokering a $100K deal to secure that player's services.

[20gauge]

There is no stopping it. And nothing will come of this

[razorback1829]

I'd be for this. I knew AAU was dirty when I was in HS 30+ years ago.

AAU is not the problem. You show your ignorance right there sir. It's really a rules problem that should've been solve back when Wooden was paying Lew Alcindor. It lies in the NCAA rules, which are designed for maximum profit.

[RedBird5]

If they start paying players, college basketball will not be worth watching. Only the richest schools would win. I think criminalizing offending agents with some jail time would be a bit of a deterrent.

Fantastic!   We have very deep pockets and a decent booster base! 😉. Kidding

[Cale]

There's a lot of players in a lot of men's and women's sports, that's a TON of money.

yet they make millions. I bet they'd be fine.

[Kevin]

Pay the players.

cannot pay them enough, an agent, coach or shoe company will always tack on to whatever you pay them.

do away with the one & done, make it like baseball. go straight out of hs, go out of junior college, or 3 years at a 4 year school.

let the nba spend more money on a minor league system.

I would rather see good college basketball players for at least 3 years than great tainted players for 1 year.

[Inhogswetrust]

Pay the players.

They do.

[Inhogswetrust]

I'd be for this. I knew AAU was dirty when I was in HS 30+ years ago.

Yep. People are acting as if all this cheating stuff is something new. Heck it might have been worse before.

[parallaxpig]

Some agents, bosters  and coaches will always be dirty. The only way to stop it is to hammer the school involved. If they can't participate in the sport for 3-5 years they will police themselves.

[Ironhawg]

The NCAA isn't for amateurs and student athletes. Agents advancing/loaning money players isn't anything new.

The amounts in the report are drop in the bucket compared what the non-profit NCAA makes off of these amateur status kids.

Then burn it down.  Eliminate the NCAA and big time college athletics as it exists.  Go back to athletics being about fun and representing the school. 

[raz1965]

I really see no problem with letting players get legit loans from whomever, as long as they are in the open. If sombody wants to loan a kid 1 mill on potential of him making million an paying it back, this being a free society as is, the NCAA should not be allowed to stop an legal loan. I understand amatureism is play without pay, but loans should be the right of any person. I believe this could be the simple solution, as too the star players. If the player then gets injured an can not make payment, then the loan defaults an legal action takes as with any other loan, of course insurance could help with that issue. The biggest problem is the NCAA makes rules outside of there scope in my opinion, which they they then try to pretend are followed an are great rules.The fact is the NCAA needs more common sense policy. This is a free society an the NCAA is more like a communist party , will never perform properly in this culture. Changes must be made, get the right group of people together to form common sense rules that can be effective an reasonable for all partys involved. My stand as for now however, is the cheaters had a unfair advantage an must be hammered.

[gmarv54]

cannot pay them enough, an agent, coach or shoe company will always tack on to whatever you pay them.

do away with the one & done, make it like baseball. go straight out of hs, go out of junior college, or 3 years at a 4 year school.

let the nba spend more money on a minor league system.

I would rather see good college basketball players for at least 3 years than great tainted players for 1 year.

This would be a start ,but you have to get serious about punishment because you can't legislate honesty into people..

[Rome26]

Paying players...  What's the value of D league players?  That's the skill set of 99% of college players. The money in the college game is sourced from fans of universities, not the kids. They get paid with tuition, room and board. That's real value... I know, I've got a child in college.

That is a good deal for most athletes but most athletes aren't getting paid. It's the superstars that are getting paid and they are worth way more than tuition room and board. I don't believe athletes should be paid by the school but I do think they should be allowed to take out loans if they want too.

[Dark Helmet Hog]

Jail time would solve some of it. I would think there would be tax evasion at a minimum. Programs knowingly involved should face the death penalty. It should be dealt with seriously or just give up. Any other way will not restore order or fair play.

[Dark Helmet Hog]

Then burn it down.  Eliminate the NCAA and big time college athletics as it exists.  Go back to athletics being about fun and representing the school. 

I agree.

[LRrazorback]

Some agents, bosters  and coaches will always be dirty. The only way to stop it is to hammer the school involved. If they can't participate in the sport for 3-5 years they will police themselves.

THIS!

Schools, AD's, coaches and agents need to feel the wrath. In any sector of business if you don't play by the rules, at minimum you lose your job.

[Cure]

Then burn it down.  Eliminate the NCAA and big time college athletics as it exists.  Go back to athletics being about fun and representing the school. 

They should burn the NCAA down.

They're wasting their time playing in college not developing their games and allowing that school to make a killing from their names.

Now can he tighten it up and do some things differently? Absolutely. But that will probably be on somebody else's watch. That won't be on our watch as much. I don't see a reason why when you have a young man for a very brief period of time why you want to totally cloud his brain with something other than very, very few, simple things.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article119793373.html

- Bill Self speaking on letting the NBA develop an athlete because he was going to be a 1 and done.

Players should go directly from HS to the G-League if they are talented enough and the NBA has to put more into that league.

[hobhog]

Pay the players.

Such a weak response. Agents will just add to whatever they get paid to get what they want.

Hammer cheaters. Players included. Period.

[donbro]

Such a weak response. Agents will just add to whatever they get paid to get what they want.

Hammer cheaters. Players included. Period.

The irony

[donbro]

Paying players...  What's the value of D league players?  That's the skill set of 99% of college players. The money in the college game is sourced from fans of universities, not the kids. They get paid with tuition, room and board. That's real value... I know, I've got a child in college.

Here's an  idea, pay the players accordingly. If they decide to invest some of the money they earn, in their education, so be it. The NCAA makes billions every year while sacrificing nothing.  If a college athlete has a career ending injury the NCAA and the University will not compensate the player.  I thought we live in capitalist society.  95% of revenue comes from television. The NCAA is a bunch of hypocrites And anyone who aligns themselves with the thinking of the NCAA are hypocrites

[PharmacistHog]

  Here's an  idea, pay the players accordingly. If they decide to invest some of the money they earn, in their education, so be it. The NCAA makes billions every year while sacrificing nothing.  If a college athlete has a career ending injury the NCAA and the University will not compensate the player.  I thought we live in capitalist society.  95% of revenue comes from television. The NCAA is a bunch of hypocrites And anyone who aligns themselves with the thinking of the NCAA are hypocrites

How are you going to pay them "accordingly"? According to what?  Does every player get the same amount?  Do they get more to go to duke than they do ole miss?  What about the women's sports? 

[donbro]

How are you going to pay them "accordingly"? According to what?  Does every player get the same amount?  Do they get more to go to duke than they do ole miss?  What about the women's sports? 

Whatever the market value for the individual skill set.  I never understood the argument about other sports.  To use your example women sports, they are  not bringing in the revenue that football and basketball players do. Why should football and basketball players pay the price for another sport not being as popular, that logic is ignorance having a baby

[PharmacistHog]

Whatever the market value for the individual skill set.  I never understood the argument about other sports.  To use your example women sports, they are  not bringing in the revenue that football and basketball players do. Why should football and basketball players pay the price for another sport not being as popular, that logic is ignorance having a baby

Things dont happen in a vacuum. If you start paying player's according to their "worth", you basically have a watered down nba or nfl. The revenue wouldn't necessarily stay the same. Do you honestly think the popularity and ratings will drive the same dollars if they are simply watching to see which school can pay the most to get the best players?

[donbro]

Things dont happen in a vacuum. If you start paying player's according to their "worth", you basically have a watered down nba or nfl. The revenue wouldn't necessarily stay the same. Do you honestly think the popularity and ratings will drive the same dollars if they are simply watching to see which school can pay the most to get the best players?

Yes

[PharmacistHog]

Yes

I disagree, but thats ok.

[hogsanity]

for those saying pay the players, that wont level the playing field at all. Do you think AR can out spend Bama or Duke KY etc?

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

for those saying pay the players, that wont level the playing field at all. Do you think AR can out spend Bama or Duke KY etc?

We aren't out paying them currently either. Playing fields will never be level. (We could out spend Duke but we would have to take away from football)

I suggest the school doesn't pay. But the NCAA doesn't prevent shoes companies, booster or agents from paying players whatever they want to pay those players.

Get all the current cheating out in the open and then atleast we can see what is currently going on.