Mizzou to the Big 10?

[Hawghiggs]

https://twitter.com/flugempire  This guy seems to think so.

[Tusks]

Well the buyout for a team to leave the SEC is $0.

So don't let the door hit ya where the big guy split ya.

[rljjr]

Good. Let them go.

[presidenthog]

They have been to the sec championship game 2 years in a row. The money is better here. I'm highly doubting it. I'm not sure if they fit in there any better than they do here.

[go hogues]

Hope so

[ZERO]

Yeah, this isn't gonna happen.

[idochog]

No way they would walk from the $$$ they are getting from the SEC

[HawginTexas]

I could see the SEC helping push them to the Big 10 and then trying to reel in OK, OSUlite, and Texas to get to 16....that would be a bloody west. MIZZOu  has been more competitive than I thought theyd be, but still doesn't fit the the SEC.

[Hoggish1]

I could see the SEC helping push them to the Big 10 and then trying to reel in OK, OSUlite, and Texas to get to 16....that would be a bloody west. MIZZOu  has been more competitive than I thought theyd be, but still doesn't fit the the SEC.

It's market share the SEC wants.  They already have the state of Texass.  They don't need another school from the state.

[lefty08]

I don't think the money is too different from the big 10 to the sec

[JackJohnson]

I could see the SEC helping push them to the Big 10 and then trying to reel in OK, OSUlite, and Texas to get to 16....that would be a bloody west. MIZZOu  has been more competitive than I thought theyd be, but still doesn't fit the the SEC.

Would be much easier west bc that would push Bama and AU to east

[Dugann]

hope they bolt.

[hobhog]

Good. It would help our recruiting situation, being the most northwestern SEC school in the country....

[HogWall Jackson]

Mizzou just isn't a Natural Fit for the SEC. Arkansas is pushing the envelope a bit geographically.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

https://twitter.com/flugempire  This guy seems to think so.

Who is Greg Flugaur? Why would he know anything?

[Hogarusa]

there is very little difference in Big 10/SEC money.  They are both getting paid stupid amounts of cash.

No idea who this twitter fella is.  He has 250 followers

[hoghiker]

Who is Greg Flugaur? Why would he know anything?

He's a Flugaur. All you need to know.

[rhames]

I'm sure the dude with 200 followers and considers himself the God of smack talk would know



When will people on here that anyone can say anything on Twitter

[Torqued pork]

I guess not every Mizzou fan is obsessed with the Battle Line Rivalry.

[ChicoHog]

Let them go.  Get WVU which fits into the SEC more culturally and a natural fit in the east also.  Of course good reasons like that don;t matter.  All the suits care about is TV dollars so that will never happen.  Even though WVU has a more rabid fan base than Mizzou in football and basketball yet it is a much smaller TV market.  What they are not considering is it opens up the DC metro area as many WVU alumni/fans settle in that area along with Louisville and Pittsburgh.  It's ironic that if we had not joined the SEC back in the day we would probably not be invited now because of our small TV market.  Really a shame that those items dictate show much.  Really a shame that is more important than tradition, athletic success and fan base.

[TrueBlue]

I just posted on Twitter my reasons that I believe Arkansas is considering a move to the Pac12.

Must be true, huh? BTW - I have 900+ followers.

[BearsBisonsBoars]

Let them go.  Get WVU which fits into the SEC more culturally and a natural fit in the east also.  Of course good reasons like that don;t matter.  All the suits care about is TV dollars so that will never happen.  Even though WVU has a more rabid fan base than Mizzou in football and basketball yet it is a much smaller TV market.  What they are not considering is it opens up the DC metro area as many WVU alumni/fans settle in that area along with Louisville and Pittsburgh.  It's ironic that if we had not joined the SEC back in the day we would probably not be invited now because of our small TV market.  Really a shame that those items dictate show much.  Really a shame that is more important than tradition, athletic success and fan base.

This is a good idea. I'd been focused on North Carolina, but WVU would be an awesome fit. They're unnatural in the little 12 anyway.

As for the money, sometimes you have to protect the product. That can be as important as growing it. Like you said, WVU brings fan interest in ways I don't feel Mizzou can match.

[Theolesnort]

I don't think the money is too different from the big 10 to the sec

Not now but in about 3 or 4 years you will be stunned by the difference. The Big 10 is a wasteland except for Ohio St and Wiskey. Michigan should come back under Harbaugh though.

[LRRandy]

Not now but in about 3 or 4 years you will be stunned by the difference. The Big 10 is a wasteland except for Ohio St and Wiskey. Michigan should come back under Harbaugh though.

not so sure. The sec network will do for the sec what the Big Ten network has done for the B1G as far as $ payouts. However,  with the steady erosion of sec football dominance the interest will diminish some. The B1G footprint that includes NY metro, DC, Philadelphia, Chicago as well as other major Midwest cities means a lot of eyeballs for advertisers. The payout disparity may grow farther apart instead of closer.

BTW Michigan State has been a consistent top 10 team in the B1G climb back to respectability.

[GuvHog]

I could see the SEC helping push them to the Big 10 and then trying to reel in OK, OSUlite, and Texas to get to 16....that would be a bloody west. MIZZOu  has been more competitive than I thought theyd be, but still doesn't fit the the SEC.

IMHO getting Okla State And Oklahoma to bolt for the SEC is doable but the chances of the Longhorns joining the SEC are extremely slim and none. If Oklahoma and Okla were to bolt for the SEC, I believe the Horns would bolt to the PAC 12 and the JayHawks would likely join them.

[The_Bionic_Pig]

[Torqued pork]

not so sure. The sec network will do for the sec what the Big Ten network has done for the B1G as far as $ payouts. However,  with the steady erosion of sec football dominance the interest will diminish some. The B1G footprint that includes NY metro, DC, Philadelphia, Chicago as well as other major Midwest cities means a lot of eyeballs for advertisers. The payout disparity may grow farther apart instead of closer.

BTW Michigan State has been a consistent top 10 team in the B1G climb back to respectability.

The streak of SEC football national championships ending hardly translates into a "steady erosion".

[Locutus_of_Boar]

there is very little difference in Big 10/SEC money.  They are both getting paid stupid amounts of cash.

No idea who this twitter fella is.  He has 250 followers

This is true.  The difference is that Mizzou and A&M have received far more positive national attention since joining the SEC than Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers have joining the B1G.

The underlying assumption that the B1G needs to expand to 16 is flawed and the decision to favor NU tradition over Missouri TV markets was a mistake. 

The B1G and the ACC can trade teams endlessly and it won't benefit either league.  The only meaningful targets left on the board are Texas and OU and the SEC is going to do a Notre Dame like scheduling agreement with the B12 to effectively pull those two into the SEC orbit.

[LRRandy]

The streak of SEC football national championships ending hardly translates into a "steady erosion".

well. You tell me. Two years ago the top sec teams lost both BCS bowls they played in including the national championship game. This past season the king of the sec got bounced out of the playoff  ( thus eliminating the sec from the championship game ) while the other top ranked sec west teams lost all the big bowl games. The best teams in the sec have been losing bowl games instead of winning them for two years now. The upcoming season has fewer sec teams in top 10 preseason polls than in the years that championships were being won. It is in fact a steady erosion of dominance.

[BearsBisonsBoars]

well. You tell me. Two years ago the top sec teams lost both BCS bowls they played in including the national championship game. This past season the king of the sec got bounced out of the playoff  ( thus eliminating the sec from the championship game ) while the other top ranked sec west teams lost all the big bowl games. The best teams in the sec have been losing bowl games instead of winning them for two years now. The upcoming season has fewer sec teams in top 10 preseason polls than in the years that championships were being won. It is in fact a steady erosion of dominance.

[GuvHog]

This is true.  The difference is that Mizzou and A&M have received far more positive national attention since joining the SEC than Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers have joining the B1G.

The underlying assumption that the B1G needs to expand to 16 is flawed and the decision to favor NU tradition over Missouri TV markets was a mistake. 

The B1G and the ACC can trade teams endlessly and it won't benefit either league.  The only meaningful targets left on the board are Texas and OU and the SEC is going to do a Notre Dame like scheduling agreement with the B12 to effectively pull those two into the SEC orbit.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rumblings about Missouri are happening because they were promised by the SEC office that their being in the SEC East would be temporary with a move to the SEC West coming soon but that move hasn't happened and they are getting impatient.

[Hogsolo]

Better fit for them IMO

[tusksincolorado]

well. You tell me. Two years ago the top sec teams lost both BCS bowls they played in including the national championship game. This past season the king of the sec got bounced out of the playoff  ( thus eliminating the sec from the championship game ) while the other top ranked sec west teams lost all the big bowl games. The best teams in the sec have been losing bowl games instead of winning them for two years now. The upcoming season has fewer sec teams in top 10 preseason polls than in the years that championships were being won. It is in fact a steady erosion of dominance.

Typical Midwestern arrogance...Win ONE Championship and you pronounce that the BIG SHAT is the most dominant Conference in the NCAA.

[Inhogswetrust]

Who is Greg Flugaur? Why would he know anything?

He's a gopher so take that for what it's worth.................

[tusksincolorado]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rumblings about Missouri are happening because they were promised by the SEC office that their being in the SEC East would be temporary with a move to the SEC West coming soon but that move hasn't happened and they are getting impatient.

Let them go...StL is more a fit for the Rust Belt than the SEC.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Someone needs to tweet Flugaur and inform him of this thread. It may just develop into a cult following on Hogville, similar to Robert Shields. 

[Theolesnort]

not so sure. The sec network will do for the sec what the Big Ten network has done for the B1G as far as $ payouts. However,  with the steady erosion of sec football dominance the interest will diminish some. The B1G footprint that includes NY metro, DC, Philadelphia, Chicago as well as other major Midwest cities means a lot of eyeballs for advertisers. The payout disparity may grow farther apart instead of closer.

BTW Michigan State has been a consistent top 10 team in the B1G climb back to respectability.

Like Saban Michigan St's coach is getting a little long in the tooth age wise and health wise. But now you are right I should have included them. But you are taking a one year aberration and making something out of nothing. We will revisit this in about 4 years and see where it stands, OK? Besides Randy in Big Ten country it is just football and the pro game is dominate. Here in SEC country the SEC is a religion (actually to much fever) sad but true. SEC projections are way way behind what is actually happening. The SEC Network is almost even with the ESPN flagship station in as far a the number of homes it is in and it isn't a year old yet. The start up cost and not making money the first year or two was just a myth, they will make money the first year and it will accelerate from here on.

[Torqued pork]

well. You tell me. Two years ago the top sec teams lost both BCS bowls they played in including the national championship game. This past season the king of the sec got bounced out of the playoff  ( thus eliminating the sec from the championship game ) while the other top ranked sec west teams lost all the big bowl games. The best teams in the sec have been losing bowl games instead of winning them for two years now. The upcoming season has fewer sec teams in top 10 preseason polls than in the years that championships were being won. It is in fact a steady erosion of dominance.

Florida isn't going stay down. Tennessee is improving and Arkansas is trending up. Add the usual suspects and the SEC is still deeper than any other conference.

[LRRandy]

Typical Midwestern arrogance...Win ONE Championship and you pronounce that the BIG SHAT is the most dominant Conference in the NCAA.

i don't think that's what I said. You got your panties in a wad so you must feel it too. I belive the sec is still the best football conference in the nation. The dominance however is in the rear view mirror.

[Theolesnort]

i don't think that's what I said. You got your panties in a wad so you must feel it too. I belive the sec is still the best football conference in the nation. The dominance however is in the rear view mirror.

The cannibalism in the SEC cuts two ways. Teams get beat up and degrade as the season progresses and then for teams that survive without two many injuries iron sharpens iron. A team or two that negotiates that gauntlet will be tried and tested. It doesn't mean that they will be unbeatable in the post season, it just means you better bring your lunch to beat then. Congrats to Ohio St they brought their lunch and deserved their win but circumstances change from year to year. What keeps the SEC so strong is the recruiting base they have and it is just getting stronger as the population swings to the South. It is unreal the amount of money southern states spend on athletics, especially football. It may not be right fiscally but it is what it is, just a part of the religion I referred to.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rumblings about Missouri are happening because they were promised by the SEC office that their being in the SEC East would be temporary with a move to the SEC West coming soon but that move hasn't happened and they are getting impatient.

If Missouri desires a move to the SEC West, they have lost their minds. Regionally speaking that would be a correct move, but they have benefitted greatly from their SEC East scheduling since joining the SEC. They wouldn't have been to the SECCG two years in a row had then been a member of the West.

[rhames]

Can't believe there is even discussion on this.

[geauxhawgs]

If the two major cities in MO were Springfield and Cape Girardeau they'd fit the culture and geography of the SEC a whole lot better. Collectively speaking, the state of Missouri  will forever be outsiders looking in when it comes to travel regardless of what conference they're in because of the states unique geography and the amount of DRASTIC cultural shifts seen throughout the state. It's the most confused state in America.... Part of it is southern as southern gets, some of it is Iowa Lite, STL is about as arrogant of a Rust Belt city you will find, and KC isn't comparable to any other decent sized city in the country.  I'd say the majority of Missouri fans by a pretty long shot consists mostly of those arrogant yuppies from STL and KC  Let em roll....WPS! LSU BLEAUXS!

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Can't believe there is even discussion on this.

Why? After what they perceive (and many may perceive) as considerable success in 2 of their first 3 years in the toughest conference in the country in the SEC, many of the Missouri faithful probably feel that they can challenge Ohio State every year for the Big Ten title. I can see where they might want to make that move, especially if they are expecting a transfer to the SEC West in the not too distant future, which will change their future win % dramatically.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Why? After what they perceive (and many may perceive) as considerable success in 2 of their first 3 years in the toughest conference in the country in the SEC, many of the Missouri faithful probably feel that they can challenge Ohio State every year for the Big Ten title. I can see where they might want to make that move, especially if they are expecting a transfer to the SEC West in the not too distant future, which will change their future win % dramatically.

What makes anyone think they are considering this? The OP cited a tweet from a Minnesota Golden Gopher fan with 200 followers who works for a printing company. Funny what passes for a credible source these days.

[Theolesnort]

Can't believe there is even discussion on this.

What discussion? Just shooting the breeze a little.

[redeye]

LOL

The B1G has looked down it's nose and refused admittance to Missouri time and again, but as soon as Mizzou joins the SEC they suddenly covet them?  If true, it wouldn't surprise me any.

[Inhogswetrust]

Why? After what they perceive (and many may perceive) as considerable success in 2 of their first 3 years in the toughest conference in the country in the SEC, many of the Missouri faithful probably feel that they can challenge Ohio State every year for the Big Ten title. I can see where they might want to make that move, especially if they are expecting a transfer to the SEC West in the not too distant future, which will change their future win % dramatically.

OSU will not always dominate the Big10.  Michigan, Wisky and sometimes even Nebraska can challenge them. Same as Florida and Georgia not always being down.

[Inhogswetrust]

What makes anyone think they are considering this? The OP cited a tweet from a Minnesota Golden Gopher fan with 200 followers who works for a printing company. Funny what passes for a credible source these days.

And he was just passing that info along. He wasn't the instigator.

[Tusks]

Slive told WVU 'NO' when they wanted to join.  He said he didn't like their schools academics or alumni.  Just saying, not agreeing.

Since the SEC isn't really just a southern conference anymore, I'd like to add WVU and Kansas.  It would give the west a breather game in football and increases DRAMATICALLY the state of basketball in the conference.

Kentucky, Arkansas, Kansas, right now Florida, WVU, sometimes LSU, Mizz, MSU, Vandy, maybe USCe.

The SEC would be getting 8-9 NCAA bids a season.

I just don't think the SEC will ever be able to pull an ACC school out of North Carolina or Virginia.

The pies or $$ out there for football and basketball might as well be owned by the SEC.