I think Mortenson should start

[FaytownHog]

the senior day game. Even if it were only one snap. I think it would be a nice gesture, and if were trying 2 win the west or something then we could pull him quick, but if not, let him have the first series IMO.

[Hogginitall]

1st of all, Mortenson is not a senior.....he is classified as a redshirt junior.

What's 2nd?

[Bubba's Bruisers]

the senior day game. Even if it were only one snap. I think it would be a nice gesture, and if were trying 2 win the west or something then we could pull him quick, but if not, let him have the first series IMO.

He should start only if he earns it.  Based on my observations of Mortenson's personality and character, I think he'd agree with me...the best players start.

[Kilgor]

What's 2nd?

That Casey Dick, who is out playing all other QBs in spring practice (Mallett included before he got hurt) IS a senior. 

Thankfully Bobby Petrino will play the best QB instead of playing favorites.  I remember being at the 2006 LSU game in the Rock while Casey completed 3 passes (none in the second half) and Nutt kept 8-0 Mustain on the bench.  I yelled at that moron until I could yell no more, but Nutt was determined to screw Arkansas out of a national championship berth that we WOULD have had with wins over LSU and Florida.  Urban Meyer probably still sends Nutt a fruit basket at christmas.

WHAT A DUMBASS he was.   

[Clint Alan]

Why would you want to start Mortenson? He is not a senior this year, Dick is a senior and is the starting QB.

[The Marmot]

the senior day game. Even if it were only one snap. I think it would be a nice gesture, and if were trying 2 win the west or something then we could pull him quick, but if not, let him have the first series IMO.

I dont think Petrino is worried about "nice gestures" right now. He's got a team to build.

[hog_fan]

i like to know how Alex isn't a senior

2004-freshman
2005-RS freshman
2006-RS SO at Samford
2007 RS JUnior while sitting out at Arkansas
2008-RS senior

[Bubba's Bruisers]

i like to know how Alex isn't a senior

2004-freshman
2005-RS freshman
2006-RS SO at Samford
2007 RS JUnior while sitting out at Arkansas
2008-RS senior

I believe you are correct.

[Hogginitall]

That Casey Dick, who is out playing all other QBs in spring practice (Mallett included before he got hurt) IS a senior. 

Thankfully Bobby Petrino will play the best QB instead of playing favorites.  I remember being at the 2006 LSU game in the Rock while Casey completed 3 passes (none in the second half) and Nutt kept 8-0 Mustain on the bench.  I yelled at that moron until I could yell no more, but Nutt was determined to screw Arkansas out of a national championship berth that we WOULD have had with wins over LSU and Florida.  Urban Meyer probably still sends Nutt a fruit basket at christmas.

WHAT A DUMBASS he was.  

I agree that he should've at least put Mustain in there to see what he could do.  But, I'm not so sure he could've done any better.  I know Mustain was 8-0 (really 7-0 if you don't count the 0-1, 0 yds, 0 TDs, 1 Int performance against USC) as a starter against a bunch of weaklings and Auburn, but he really was outperformed by Casey most of the year.

[#1 STUNNA]

Mortenson is just a junior. I am living with him next year.

[HOG RED UMP]

Mortenson is just a junior. I am living with him next year.

Who cleans the toilets?

[opineonswine]

Whatever for?  What, exactly, has he done to warrant any special treatment?  I don't get it...at all.

[Sao Ming]

I may be wrong but this thread might make it's way to a certain signature list soon.

[The Lemming]

the senior day game. Even if it were only one snap. I think it would be a nice gesture, and if were trying 2 win the west or something then we could pull him quick, but if not, let him have the first series IMO.

Soccer Mom?

[LSPRazorbac]

Ok even if he was a senior why start him over Casey Dick on Senior Day.

Mortensen transferred from Arkansas but then returned a year later.

Casey has been with Arkansas all four years. 

I can understand letting Mortensen play at some point in the game but I wouldn't start him over Casey unless Mortensen was the better QB.

 

[HOG RED UMP]

Soccer Mom?

or Daddy Day Care?

[hogsanity]

I thought we wanted to get rid of "special treatment" of certain players.  What has Am done to warrant this over CD?  Whay not start ALL of the SR's, even if it means a penalty for too many men on the field?

[spudhog]

I think this would be a nice sentiment. But, to sacrifice one senior's happiness at the expense of another's is not a fair trade. If the starting qb tells am to start, then I am down with that.

A lot of things in life "should" happen but as we all know, that's not what always happens.

[Sao Ming]

I advocate we do not keep score.

At the end of each game, we all make a parents arch for the team to run under and everyone gets a Capri Sun and/or Otter Pop.

A participation ring to everyone at the end of the season?  Yes!

[EastexHawg]

He should start only if he earns it.  Based on my observations of Mortenson's personality and character, I think he'd agree with me...the best players start.

What?  You don't think we should pull a Nutt and start Ryan Sorahan every week?

Does anyone remember the talk near the end of the '03 season that Matt Jones might declare for the draft after his junior year?  I remember thinking as the offense took the field for the first time against Mississippi State in Fayetteville that year that it would be typical HDN B.S. if Matt didn't even start the final home game of his career.

[FaytownHog]

no mom or dad here, just am is a good guy and never had a chance under the qbkilla and with the guys comming in wont have a chance then either. i hadnt heard about him being a 5th year jr.

[El Puerco]

I may be wrong but this thread might make it's way to a certain signature list soon.

You talkin' top 5 on this baby?

[Sao Ming]

You talkin' top 5 on this baby?

I've submitted it for "The Coopy's"

[Kilgor]

...(Mort) never had a chance under the qbkilla...

And Dick did?  Even if Mort was a senior, why would he deserve the start over Casey (senior)?

[DeltaBoy]

NO

[hoglady]

Let's see - Casey Dick has his redshirt blown his freshman year to play in 4 games, lost the starting job his sophomore year due to a back injury, endured the wrath of the Hog fans when Mustain was benched, has now had 4 different QB coaches and 4 different OC in his 4 years here.
I think that that's the kid that deserves to be honored on Senior Day.

[roundball]

I agree that he should've at least put Mustain in there to see what he could do.  But, I'm not so sure he could've done any better.  I know Mustain was 8-0 (really 7-0 if you don't count the 0-1, 0 yds, 0 TDs, 1 Int performance against USC) as a starter against a bunch of weaklings and Auburn, but he really was outperformed by Casey most of the year.

I don't think Casey outperformed Mustain at all! Just with Mustains' presence on the field the secondary had to respect the pass, thus leaving huge runnning lanes for McFadden and Jones. Why mess up your teams chemistry the eighth game of the season?

I've said it before, Stafford did not have a very good freshman year, but Georgia stuck with him! Aren't they preseason #1 and Stafford is a legite QB!!!

[bigarrazorback]

That Casey Dick, who is out playing all other QBs in spring practice (Mallett included before he got hurt) IS a senior. 

Thankfully Bobby Petrino will play the best QB instead of playing favorites.  I remember being at the 2006 LSU game in the Rock while Casey completed 3 passes (none in the second half) and Nutt kept 8-0 Mustain on the bench.  I yelled at that moron until I could yell no more, but Nutt was determined to screw Arkansas out of a national championship berth that we WOULD have had with wins over LSU and Florida.  Urban Meyer probably still sends Nutt a fruit basket at christmas.

WHAT A DUMBASS he was.   

You were not alone I was doing the exact same thing

[Hogginitall]

I don't think Casey outperformed Mustain at all! Just with Mustains' presence on the field the secondary had to respect the pass, thus leaving huge runnning lanes for McFadden and Jones. Why mess up your teams chemistry the eighth game of the season?

I've said it before, Stafford did not have a very good freshman year, but Georgia stuck with him! Aren't they preseason #1 and Stafford is a legite QB!!!

Mustain had the same amount of passing attempts against arguably MUCH easier teams, had 4 more completions, 97 less yards, 1 more TD, and 3 more INTs than Dick had.

Passing 
  Name                    G   QBRat  Att   Comp  Pct   Yds   Y/A   Y/G   TD   Int
  Casey Dick            10   125.7  132   65     49.2   991   7.5   99.1    9   6
  Mitch Mustain        11   120.5  132   69     52.3   894   6.8   81.3   10   9 

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/aan/stats?year=2006

In my opinion, Dick outplayed Mustain.  And he did it against tougher teams.

[justmakeit2thebcs]

Mustain had the same amount of passing attempts against arguably MUCH easier teams, had 4 more completions, 97 less yards, 1 more TD, and 3 more INTs than Dick had.

Passing 
  Name                    G   QBRat  Att   Comp  Pct   Yds   Y/A   Y/G   TD   Int
  Casey Dick            10   125.7  132   65     49.2   991   7.5   99.1    9   6
  Mitch Mustain        11   120.5  132   69     52.3   894   6.8   81.3   10   9 

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/aan/stats?year=2006

In my opinion, Dick outplayed Mustain.  And he did it against tougher teams.

There is only one stats the matters...... wins and losses.  If you go by QB rating, Trent Green and Neil Lomax were better QBs than Troy Aikman.  Some times its about when you do it.  It's also about how you lead a team and how those perform around you.  Those things lead to wins and losses.  Whats the old saying "stats are for losers"?

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stats/top20/passer_ratings.jsp

[LSPRazorbac]

[Hogginitall]

There is only one stats the matters...... wins and losses.  If you go by QB rating, Trent Green and Neil Lomax were better QBs than Troy Aikman.  Some times its about when you do it.  It's also about how you lead a team and how those perform around you.  Those things lead to wins and losses.  Whats the old saying "stats are for losers"?

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stats/top20/passer_ratings.jsp

That's the thing, who did we play while Mustain was the QB?  If you play and beat 6 nobodies, 1 average team, and one good team (in which you only throw 10 passes), it isn't really that impressive.  That is, unless you are talking about Mustain.

No, Dick's record isn't as impressive as Mustain's, but he played a MUCH, MUCH tougher schedule than Mustain.  Winning football games, especially in 2006 for the Razorbacks, is about A LOT more than the play of the QB.

If stats are for losers, than so is saying something like "Mustain was 8-0 as the starting QB at Arkansas" or "he was benched after making one mistake in the South Carolina game".  Those types of comments are a bunch of BS.  They don't tell the whole story.  How did he perform in those games where we went 8-0?  Why do people count the 8th game (he started, threw one pass, and it was intercepted---we never heard from him again)?  Who were the opponents during those 7 games that we won and he played a majority of the snaps?  SEMO, Utah State, Mississippi, Vandy, Alabama (in which we won in spite of Mustain's horrendous performance), etc.  Compare that to Casey's opponents of LSU, Tennessee, @ South Carolina, @Mississippi State, etc. and you get a more clear picture of what really happened.

[Pigdiana Jones]

This is the age old thing that really irritates me about Mitch and his 'starting' record.

Yes he's 8-0 as the starter, but I could start the game and play one snap handing the ball off to someone, leave the game and sit on the bench the rest of the game, and if my team won, i would be the winner as a starting QB.

Starting QB records are overrated. So stop saying mitch was 8-0 and all this crap. It means nothing. It is a team effort, not a starting QB's effort.

[Kilgor]

This is the age old thing that really irritates me about Mitch and his 'starting' record.

Yes he's 8-0 as the starter, but I could start the game and play one snap handing the ball off to someone, leave the game and sit on the bench the rest of the game, and if my team won, i would be the winner as a starting QB.

Starting QB records are overrated. So stop saying mitch was 8-0 and all this crap. It means nothing. It is a team effort, not a starting QB's effort.

You convinced me.  Mitch had nothing to do with his 8-0 record in the games he started.  Casey of course has earned his 13-9 record right?  McFadden and Jones were just cheerleaders for him right?

And when Casey was going 3 of 17 for 29 yards and an interception, it made sense to leave the All American that was 8-0 as a starter on the bench.  Nutt certainly didn't put any personal animosity ahead of THE TEAM did he?  Nawww!!!

That's where Nutt lost me.  I supported him until he showed without a doubt that he was put his own personal vendetta ahead of THE TEAM.

[mj4president]

That's the thing, who did we play while Mustain was the QB?  If you play and beat 6 nobodies, 1 average team, and one good team (in which you only throw 10 passes), it isn't really that impressive.  That is, unless you are talking about Mustain.

No, Dick's record isn't as impressive as Mustain's, but he played a MUCH, MUCH tougher schedule than Mustain.  Winning football games, especially in 2006 for the Razorbacks, is about A LOT more than the play of the QB.

If stats are for losers, than so is saying something like "Mustain was 8-0 as the starting QB at Arkansas" or "he was benched after making one mistake in the South Carolina game".  Those types of comments are a bunch of BS.  They don't tell the whole story.  How did he perform in those games where we went 8-0?  Why do people count the 8th game (he started, threw one pass, and it was intercepted---we never heard from him again)?  Who were the opponents during those 7 games that we won and he played a majority of the snaps?  SEMO, Utah State, Mississippi, Vandy, Alabama (in which we won in spite of Mustain's horrendous performance), etc.  Compare that to Casey's opponents of LSU, Tennessee, @ South Carolina, @Mississippi State, etc. and you get a more clear picture of what really happened.

Amen brotha.

[Hogginitall]

Mustains stats against SEMO as a starter
13 attempts   5 completions    51 yards

Mustains stats against La-Monroe as a starter
18 attempts  7 completions 71 yards  2 TD's-2 Int's

Don't you know that "stats are for losers"?

[David†]

Congratulations lildrummerboy2004 on your new "Coopy Award". LOL

[Shuga Town HEMI]

Mitch was also a true freshman.

[Hogginitall]

Mitch was also a true freshman.

In 2005, Dick's numbers were just as good as Mustain's as a true freshman, if not better.  Point is, any QB you put in the Nutt offense was going to do the same...all average to bad.

[NuttinItUp]

I had the same question, but it was explained on the radio and in the newspaper that because he was classified as a part-time student in the fall of 2007 that it did not count as one of the 5 years to play 4.

I believe that is correct.

[justmakeit2thebcs]

If stats are for losers, than so is saying something like "Mustain was 8-0 as the starting QB at Arkansas" or "he was benched after making one mistake in the South Carolina game".  Those types of comments are a bunch of BS.  They don't tell the whole story.  How did he perform in those games where we went 8-0?  Why do people count the 8th game (he started, threw one pass, and it was intercepted---we never heard from him again)? 

First of all, I never said 8-0...you Mitch haters are the ones that bring it up.  I haven't read it in this thread one time except for those that say they are tired of hearing about it.  Second of all, a won-loss record isn't a considered a statistic.  The saying "stats are for losers" originated because of people who didn't win as much as the other guy needed a reason to explain why they are really better than the guy that won all the time. 

[Hogginitall]

First of all, I never said 8-0...you Mitch haters are the ones that bring it up.  I haven't read it in this thread one time except for those that say they are tired of hearing about it.  Second of all, a won-loss record isn't a considered a statistic.  The saying "stats are for losers" originated because of people who didn't win as much as the other guy needed a reason to explain why they are really better than the guy that won all the time. 

So, if I'm the starting QB for Arkansas and we go 8-0 against the Citadel, UT-Chatanooga, SEMO, Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana-Lafayette, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Memphis, and Buffalo, I'm considered better than a guy who goes 5-3 against LSU, Tennessee, Southern Cal, Ohio State, Texas, Georgia, Florida, and Michigan (even if I had less yards and more interceptions on the same number of attempts than the other guy)?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense .

[justmakeit2thebcs]

An now back to the original question "of should Alex start on senior day for one play".   The answer is simple....ask Alex.  He'll tell you no way in hell does he want to start if he isn't the best man for the job.  Starting on senior day for just a play or two just because your a senior is nothing more than pity.  Show me one competitior that wants pity.  It would be a slap in the face, Alex wouldn't do it if he was given the option.  The question is moot.

[justmakeit2thebcs]

So, if I'm the starting QB for Arkansas and we go 8-0 against the Citadel, UT-Chatanooga, SEMO, Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana-Lafayette, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Memphis, and Buffalo, I'm better than a guy who goes 5-3 against LSU, Tennessee, Southern Cal, Ohio State, Texas, Georgia, Florida, and Michigan (even if I had less yards and more interceptions on the same number of attempts than the other guy)?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense .

Perhaps you are.....how would you know?  stats? 

[Hogginitall]

Perhaps you are.....how would you know?  stats? 

Really....yeah.  If I have a #1 QB that attempts the same number of passes, but has more interceptions and less yards against a much easier schedule than my #2 QB, I'm pretty sure I'd play the #2 QB.

[NuttinItUp]

An now back to the original question "of should Alex start on senior day for one play".   The answer is simple....ask Alex.  He'll tell you no way in hell does he want to start if he isn't the best man for the job.  Starting on senior day for just a play or two just because your a senior is nothing more than pity.  Show me one competitior that wants pity.  It would be a slap in the face, Alex wouldn't do it if he was given the option.  The question is moot.

How about we revisit it next year when he is a senior?

[Veritas Arkansas]

Mitch was also a true freshman.

So?

Poor play is poor play, whether freshman, sophomore, junior, or senior.

[FaytownHog]

thanks! lol

Congratulations lildrummerboy2004 on your new "Coopy Award". LOL


agreed! i wasn't aware he was technically a jr or i wouldn't have suggested it. casey has definantly been dealt his blows with the qbkilla, agreed, and i've been to the practices and he HAS been the best qb on the field, so he'll be starting, most likely EVERY game.

How about we revisit it next year when he is a senior?

[roundball]

It's stupid to say Casey outperformed Mitch..Perhaps you missed the point I made about Stafford at Georgia!!

I understand that everyone is mad because of the fact Mitch transfered..honestly, Nutt's the one to be mad at! I would have kept Mitch in the whole season and I guarantee you we woulld have been deadly this past year.

Everyone respected the pass when Mitch was in the game, while the secondary's eye light up when Casey dropped back to pass. That's so ignorant to think Casey was the better man as QB, but none of that matters now. It just shows you how stupid Nutt was!!!!

[Hogginitall]

It's stupid to say Casey outperformed Mitch..Perhaps you missed the point I made about Stafford at Georgia!!

I understand that everyone is mad because of the fact Mitch transfered..honestly, Nutt's the one to be mad at! I would have kept Mitch in the whole season and I guarantee you we woulld have been deadly this past year.

Everyone respected the pass when Mitch was in the game, while the secondary's eye light up when Casey dropped back to pass. That's so ignorant to think Casey was the better man as QB, but none of that matters now. It just shows you how stupid Nutt was!!!!

He outperformed him against better competition.  We're not talking about the perceptions of defenses.  We're talking about performance on the field.  Casey put up better numbers against much tougher opponents than Mitch Mustain.  Therefore, he outperformed him.  Pretty simple, really.