Stan Heath's South Florida.. started 0-3, since then 7-0 !!!! (plus, a picture of a painted Jim Leav

[mathhog]

This is pretty amazing when you think about it... South Florida is supposed to be HORRIBLE this year.  If Stan gets this team to win 18 games total, he should be COY in the Big East, if they make the NCAAs he deserves a Nutt-like raise.

tonight they beat a scrappy UAB team, and have beaten Florida State along the way...  Next up?  Wake forest.  Will the streak end?   http://kenpom.com/sked.php?team=South%20Florida&t=p

plus, football coach jim leavitt arrived in green paint in the studen section apparently...


also.... isn't that BUD WALTON in the background of Heath and Hipsher's photos?? 
http://www.gousfbulls.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&KEY=&SPID=2923&SPSID=36687

[HawgG]

At least Coach Leavitt didn't pull his shirt off like Bruce Pearl, USF basketball is trying to gain support not run people off.

Anyways Heath has USF playing very well and if they were a better free throw shooting team they would be undefeated and probably ranked in the top 25.

The game that got USF believing they are capable of winning is the heartbreaking lost to a damn good Rhode Island team.The Bulls would have won the game if their GREAT FRESHMEN GUARD DOMINIQUE JONES hadn't miss both his free throws at the end of the game.BTW that Rhode Island team just won at Syracuse and is now 10-1 on the season and a lock to be in the NCAAT barring a major setback.

Heath doesn't have much if anything off the bench but he does have an inside presence in Gransberry, a capable PG in Chris Howard, and as I mentioned earlier one of the top freshmen in the nation in Jones.USF should get a boost soon as the state of Florida all time leading scorer Arron Holmes gets to play for the first time this season after finals end.He should see some action in the game at Wake and if he is eveything that his resume suggest he is then Heath's team will for certain make the NIT and with some breaks who knows could there be a NCAAT appearance instead?

[Hollywood_HOGan45]

good

very very happy for coach heath.

he is a good man and a solid coach.

just was not a good fit here.

[ErieHog]

Their 7 wins have 26 wins among them,  and over a third of those belong to just one team.

South Florida was not devoid of talent, and should be a 15 game winner.   I'll be much more impressed if they win 20, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.

[dmac4sainthood]

Their 7 wins have 26 wins among them,  and over a third of those belong to just one team.

South Florida was not devoid of talent, and should be a 15 game winner.   I'll be much more impressed if they win 20, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.

When you are rebuilding a program, it is all about wins.  The quality of wins doesn't matter.  You just have to schedule games you can win, so you can recruit...because they will be tough to come by come Big East time!

[HawgG]

Their 7 wins have 26 wins among them,  and over a third of those belong to just one team.

South Florida was not devoid of talent, and should be a 15 game winner.   I'll be much more impressed if they win 20, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.

Don't even try that "South Florida is talented" play with me around this board.

Coming into this season nobody but Gransberry was considered a major conference player and you know this.

I know exactely what you are trying to do ErieHog, and you should just give up on that crap right now.

USF has a goal to try and win 15 games this season which hopfully for them will get them into the BE Tourny for the first time ever,and a NIT berth.If that was to happen Heath would be the Big East COY with ease.

If by some miracle they win 20 games then Heath will be the run away National COY and have USF a powerhouse in the making considering where the school is located.

[ErieHog]

Don't even try that "South Florida is talented" play with me around this board.

Coming into this season nobody but Gransberry was considered a major conference player and you know this.

I know exactely what you are trying to do ErieHog, and you should just give up on that crap right now.

USF has a goal to try and win 15 games this season which hopfully for them will get them into the BE Tourny for the first time ever,and a NIT berth.If that was to happen Heath would be the Big East COY with ease.

If by some miracle they win 20 games then Heath will be the run away National COY and have USF a powerhouse in the making considering where the school is located.

The Big East is down this year;  Gransberry is the dream type of player for Heath.    They have a favorable schedule, certianly, and have been doing what they *should* have done,  through their first ten games (flipping the FSU and Cleveland State results);  they aren't  blowing past people's expectations by any measure.

[TorsinAHog]

Im happy for Coach Heath.  Hope nothing but the best for him and his new team. But I am REALLY happy the way things worked out for us. I think in a few years (not this one) we will be a good program again!

[HawgG]

The Big East is down this year;  Gransberry is the dream type of player for Heath.    They have a favorable schedule, certianly, and have been doing what they *should* have done,  through their first ten games (flipping the FSU and Cleveland State results);  they aren't  blowing past people's expectations by any measure.

You do know that these teams that USF is beating this year are the same ones that they got whipped by last season when they supposily had more talent?

The last two wins at Richmond and vs UAB are the first wins USF has ever had over those schools.

Look I have said this already USF is not a world beater but they are far better so far this season then people projected.If they win at Wake which will be difficult IMO, it will be a while before USF is in danger of losing again for a little while.

BTW rival coaches and players that have faced USF so far this season have all said that this is a much different and better team then the ones they faced in the past.

If they win 15 games or more it will be one heck of a season for Coach Heath's Bulls.

[HawgG]

Im happy for Coach Heath.  Hope nothing but the best for him and his new team. But I am REALLY happy the way things worked out for us. I think in a few years (not this one) we will be a good program again!

The USF fans are almost saying the samething but they HATE their last coach before Heath.

However they at least so far are very happy that Arkansas allowed them to get a winning coach like Heath to come to their program.

If the Bulls win 15+ games this season Heath will be the most popular man in Florida for at least a year before expectations go up.

[Tigerhog14s]

Good luck to Stan.

[ErieHog]

You do know that these teams that USF is beating this year are the same ones that they got whipped by last season when they supposily had more talent?

The last two wins at Richmond and vs UAB are the first wins USF has ever had over those schools.

Look I have said this already USF is not a world beater but they are far better so far this season then people projected.If they win at Wake which will be difficult IMO, it will be a while before USF is in danger of losing again for a little while.

BTW rival coaches and players that have faced USF so far this season have all said that this is a much different and better team then the ones they faced in the past.

If they win 15 games or more it will be one heck of a season for Coach Heath's Bulls.

With a Wake team still in turmoil over the death of Skip Prosser, USF needs to win that game.

[HawgG]

With a Wake team still in turmoil over the death of Skip Prosser, USF needs to win that game.

Wake has talent and if that game was played in Tampa then it would be an easy win for USF, but it is in Wake and as you know with a young but talented team they play much better on the home floor then they do on the road.

Can USF win yes, but it will be hard and if I was to place a bet I would say Wake wins but be hoping for that not to happen.

The wildcard in the game could be Arron Holmes as he makes his debut for the Bulls after sitting out the first part of the season.If the Holmes lives up to his impressive HS resume then USF will become really difficult to take on for any team they play.

[mpeacock]

With a Wake team still in turmoil over the death of Skip Prosser, USF needs to win that game.

Are you really being serious with these posts? I hope you don't hold your children to the ridiculous and unrealistic standards and expectations that you appear to be throwing at USF.

[ErieHog]

Are you really being serious with these posts? I hope you don't hold your children to the ridiculous and unrealistic standards and expectations that you appear to be throwing at USF.

You are reading far too much into that comment;  it means that if USF is going to jump up and bite someone this year, this is as good a shot as they are going to get at going after a 'big boy' of college basketball, a very well-respected Wake program that will really help their SOS at the end of the year, if they're aiming for an NIT Bid.

[Dr Swineglove]

The USF fans are almost saying the samething but they HATE their last coach before Heath.

However they at least so far are very happy that Arkansas allowed them to get a winning coach like Heath to come to their program.

If the Bulls win 15+ games this season Heath will be the most popular  man in South Florida for at least a year before expectations go up.

There, I fixed that for you - you didn't really intend to compare Stan Heath to Billy Donovan, now did you?
Somehow, I don't see the Gators trading Donovan for Heath.

[hawaiianhogster]

I hope he gets his team to the NCAAT. I always thought Stan was an upstanding indvidual and coach. I guess his style didn't fit into the SEC.

[TRUHOG718]

Don't even try that "South Florida is talented" play with me around this board.

Coming into this season nobody but Gransberry was considered a major conference player and you know this.

I know exactely what you are trying to do ErieHog, and you should just give up on that crap right now.

USF has a goal to try and win 15 games this season which hopfully for them will get them into the BE Tourny for the first time ever,and a NIT berth.If that was to happen Heath would be the Big East COY with ease.

If by some miracle they win 20 games then Heath will be the run away National COY and have USF a powerhouse in the making considering where the school is located.

Hawg G I have to give you your props.  No matter my feelings about our former coach you are still the MAN. Newbies need to take notes (not singling out anoyne on this thread, just saying in general), because it doesent matter if people agree with you or not because if you have your information straight, do your homework, and you come with true facts to back your opinion they have to RESPECT YOU.  Its easy to say X sucks or FIRE Z but without anything to back up your opinion you might as well just keep your fingers off the keyboard and read. Hawg G always an asset to the Ville. TRUHOG OUT!

[booogaga]

he still stinks and i am glad he isnt here.

[hawgsav1]

he still stinks and i am glad he isnt here.

AMen.  I don't wish him badly, but I knew from day 1 it was a bad hire...

[Dr Swineglove]

Hawg G I have to give you your props.  No matter my feelings about our former coach you are still the MAN. Newbies need to take notes (not singling out anoyne on this thread, just saying in general), because it doesent matter if people agree with you or not because if you have your information straight, do your homework, and you come with true facts to back your opinion they have to RESPECT YOU.  Its easy to say X sucks or FIRE Z but without anything to back up your opinion you might as well just keep your fingers off the keyboard and read. Hawg G always an asset to the Ville. TRUHOG OUT!

Hummm.... sort of like that silly, solitary emoticon Hawg G posted in response to me on another thread, where I said Coach Pelphrey has thus far been doing an outstanding job of recruiting and game day coaching.  That was very well reasoned on his part...  Naturally, Hawg G's one emoticon response conveniently ignored the 'true facts' Pelphrey recently signed a consensus top ten national recruiting class (he gives it a 'B'), and has yet to be out coached in any one of our games thus far this season.

[Doggtown31LCC]

i hope he does well at SF. good coach, good person, just not a good fit for AR

[Hogginitall]

South Florida started last season 7-3 as well.  They ended the season with a 12-18 record.  Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.  I'm sure he'll do a great job there for them.  But, to get all giddy and say that he's made this team better already is probably a bit premature.

[wholehog92]

I am still seeing SHs record would be this if this hadn't happened.  I haven't watched a single game from S. FL but the comments here tell me what I need to know.  IF a freshman hadn't missed two free throws down the stretch.  Guess what, he missed them.  SH was relying on a freshman down the stretch.  Failures late in a game...also sounds familiar, like a poorly conditioned team.  SH is a very nice man with High Bball IQ, that doesn't make him an SEC coach.  I wish him luck in all future endeavors, unless he plays us.  He is a very classy man.

[TRUHOG718]

Hummm.... sort of like that silly, solitary emoticon Hawg G posted in response to me on another thread, where I said Coach Pelphrey has thus far been doing an outstanding job of recruiting and game day coaching.  That was very well reasoned on his part...  Naturally, Hawg G's one emoticon response conveniently ignored the 'true facts' Pelphrey recently signed a consensus top ten national recruiting class (he gives it a 'B'), and has yet to be out coached in any one of our games thus far this season.

  Dont get me wrong, and you are right.  I wasn't referring to this thread, just that I'd rather read peoples reasoning behind their opinions rather that 2 word rants on any given subject. No matter if I agree or not.

[jgphillips3]

I am happy for Stan.  He is that guy that everybody likes, but just couldn't get the job done in the big time in the SEC.  His style of play should fit better in hie new league.  However, don't go crazy in praising the guy for starting good.  He started good here for several years before going in the tank during conference play. 

If he string together three or four good seasons and wins a tournament game or two, then you can justify some of the hyperbole, but all you are doing by trumpeting him in the non-conf segment of the season is a guarantee that someone will remember your comments and call you out on it if he falls on his face later on.  Again, I am happy for the man, just don't make it out to be more than it is.

[spudhog]

stan's a decent coach but even a better man. he should have little problem making usf matter. hopefully he's learned from his faults here and will see his team take off.

[booogaga]

stan's a decent coach but even a better man. he should have little problem making usf matter. hopefully he's learned from his faults here and will see his team take off.

i know a lot of good men but that doesnt mean they are going to be great at anything

[pignatious]

Good for Heath. Wish him nothing but success...somewhere else. Plus, he now lives in sunny, warm Florida, so I don't feel sorry for him at all.

[hogman1974]

Good guy, but an awful coach.  I saw in that Florida State win that his team had a big lead late and almost blew it, winning by 1.  Florida State went on like a 15-4 run to cut it to one at the end.  And they had a shot to win it.  Heath's teams just CRUMBLE with pressure.  Right now he is in a streak of cupcakes.  If you remember, we always started out like 12-1, only to finish like 20-14.  They will NOT win 18 games.  And Stan Heath and Coach of the Year do not go together.  At all.

[HawgG]

There, I fixed that for you - you didn't really intend to compare Stan Heath to Billy Donovan, now did you?
Somehow, I don't see the Gators trading Donovan for Heath.

Thanks for the fix I did miss that and the rest of your comments are right.

There is only one other coach in the SEC that I would place with Donavan and he is Andy Kennedy.IMO he is probably the best coach in the SEC, but Billy has the National Titles on his side so nuff said.

Really those two and maybe, somewhat Pearl are head and shoulders above every other coach in the SEC.The West only has Kennedy at the top and the drop off under him is dramatic.

[HawgG]

Hummm.... sort of like that silly, solitary emoticon Hawg G posted in response to me on another thread, where I said Coach Pelphrey has thus far been doing an outstanding job of recruiting and game day coaching.  That was very well reasoned on his part...  Naturally, Hawg G's one emoticon response conveniently ignored the 'true facts' Pelphrey recently signed a consensus top ten national recruiting class (he gives it a 'B'), and has yet to be out coached in any one of our games thus far this season.

First off I never run and hide like so many on this board do from me when I bring the HEAT on their behinds, calling them out for ridiculous and factless statements.

I post when I am free to do so and I told you I would cross examine your response soon as possible.

Now I am well aware of the ranking of recruiting classes wheather it is our HOGS or rival schools because I like to know what the competition is doing.I fully acknowledged the guards that were signed and as long as Joyner gets to play in '08-'09 it is a slam dunk with the backcourt signees.
The B grade I gave to the class comes from the lack of Bigs signed by Pelphrey and don't give me Moore and Clark two guys that resemble SFs.As it stands right now we are going to be small, qiuck and fast, but soft in the middle which smells trouble in the game of basketball.If a team is going to be weak somewhere the middle is not where it needs to be.We will have trouble scoring and especially defending when the game is in the halfcourt, not to mention trouble on the boards both offensivily and defensivily.We better see this so called 40 minutes of Pel or else.

Now as for not being outcoached in a game, well I will say this.Go unto the Providence board and do a search back the the comments just before and after the surpisingly lost by Arkansas.Read what the Providence fans have to say about their own coach and how he ties into Coach Pelphrey for that game.Trust me once you read what those folks had to say you will not be making the same statement again.

[HawgG]

stan's a decent coach but even a better man. he should have little problem making usf matter. hopefully he's learned from his faults here and will see his team take off.

From what I hear and read he has approached the USF job much differently then Arkansas.Also he doesn't have an AD making decisions about the basketball program at USF like he did at Arkansas.Those who have followed Broyles over the years know that there's some truth to that statement.

Some people really don't know what all Stan had to put up with from Day 1 here, and if everyone did then they would say it was surpising he did as well as he did considering.

[HawgG]

I am happy for Stan.  He is that guy that everybody likes, but just couldn't get the job done in the big time in the SEC.  His style of play should fit better in hie new league.  However, don't go crazy in praising the guy for starting good.  He started good here for several years before going in the tank during conference play. 

If he string together three or four good seasons and wins a tournament game or two, then you can justify some of the hyperbole, but all you are doing by trumpeting him in the non-conf segment of the season is a guarantee that someone will remember your comments and call you out on it if he falls on his face later on.  Again, I am happy for the man, just don't make it out to be more than it is.

By you telling me that I can see that you haven't been reading my post but instead reading the responses I am getting which you will rarely get true understanding from.

First off if I get called out then so what.I'm a grown man so I can take as much as I can dish out.There have been cases on this board where posters have proven me wrong or just straighten me out on something and I did acknowledge or credit them for it.I'll do it again as I'm not perfect and dosen't try to be.

Now back to this topic and if you go back and read what I said not only about USF but ARK as well I refer to the present most of the time.

I never said that USF was ready for a championship and some of you posters should not think of USF's and Arkansas' program togather because they are at different stages right now.While Arkansas should compete for the overall SEC title and Final 4 this season, USF in the meanwhile just wants to make the Big East Tournament and get into the NIT if all possible.Stan has said many times that USF doesn't have the talent to play on the upper level on the BE just yet and right now the goal for the next 2 seasons is to have a better then .500 record.Trust me if USF wins 15 games this season that will be a great 1st season for Stan and an improvement from past USF teams.

[HawgG]

  Dont get me wrong, and you are right.  I wasn't referring to this thread, just that I'd rather read peoples reasoning behind their opinions rather that 2 word rants on any given subject. No matter if I agree or not.

My emoticons are imformitive and not to mention funny.

I use them on two ocassions, when I don't have time for a long response or answering one of these far out posts that I seem to run into especially dealing with basketball.

BTW TRUHOG what have I told you about backing down, damnit you're TRUHOG and that needs to stand for something

[HawgG]

Good guy, but an awful coach.  I saw in that Florida State win that his team had a big lead late and almost blew it, winning by 1.  Florida State went on like a 15-4 run to cut it to one at the end.  And they had a shot to win it.  Heath's teams just CRUMBLE with pressure.  Right now he is in a streak of cupcakes.  If you remember, we always started out like 12-1, only to finish like 20-14.  They will NOT win 18 games.  And Stan Heath and Coach of the Year do not go together.  At all.

[spudhog]

i know a lot of good men but that doesnt mean they are going to be great at anything

i didn't say he was going to be great. said he was going to make them "matter". he has a good recruiting base, weather, and decent facilities. if he learns from his experience here, he should do a decent job over there. i said nothing about him being great.

[BrooklynRoss]

Nice job, Coach Heath!

[dmac4sainthood]

i didn't say he was going to be great. said he was going to make them "matter". he has a good recruiting base, weather, and decent facilities. if he learns from his experience here, he should do a decent job over there. i said nothing about him being great.

Yeah, it isn't exactly like Florida State is a bad team or anything.  If a bad teams gets a lead on a good team for most of the game...what usually happens...a big run.  If the bad team can hold out, that is a good win!

[spudhog]

Yeah, it isn't exactly like Florida State is a bad team or anything.  If a bad teams gets a lead on a good team for most of the game...what usually happens...a big run.  If the bad team can hold out, that is a good win!

not sure what we are arguing here

[mathhog]

not sure what we are arguing here

amen to that, the talk was over south florida's POSSIBLE rise, not anything about the merits of stan or their schedule or something...

[HawgG]

i didn't say he was going to be great. said he was going to make them "matter". he has a good recruiting base, weather, and decent facilities. if he learns from his experience here, he should do a decent job over there. i said nothing about him being great.

You were almost on the right track but let me make a few cuts to your post to make it better.

First you are right about recruiting base and weather, but not facilities which has already hurt Heath recruiting as it has the ones before him.USF basketball facilities is that of a 1980's small conference team.They are so far behind in Big Time basketball that it isn't funny.Coach Heath before taking the job had to have an agreement from the AD there that USF will spend some money on improving the facilities.There is a new practice gym in works so at least USF is attemping to change their history.

Don't worry Heath is a very intelligent man and I tell you that he is a much different HC now because of his experience at Arkansas.He is going about business differently and so far it seems to be working on and off the court.

Also as I said before numorous times Heath doesn't have to worry about USF AD Woolard tring to run the basketball team as JFB did to Heath while at Arkansas.Like I said it is amazing Heath did as well as he did considering his situation here.

As for as Heath being decent, good, or great at USF time will tell, however if and some how his current team wins enough games to get into the Big East Tournament and or make the NIT people better start taking notice as something good will be brewing.USF just has to show that they are serious about winning and can win and things will start looking upward.HOPE IS WHAT THEY NEED IN TAMPA.

[Wild Bill Hog]

I haven't gotten over Pelphrey's staff being incredulous over how out of condition the Hogs were when they got here.  Also the DT walkout.  I wish Stan well, but he needed to go.

[Razor6]

All right Stan! Do well in Fl!