Long on North End zone expansion

[ricepig]

@SportsTalkBo: Long: North end zone project is a challenge b/c its not all about revenue or adding seats. It's about providing easier access for fans.


What does he mean by access?

[wupigsuey]

That is a curious statement. Makes no sense

[WooPig90]

@SportsTalkBo: Long: North end zone project is a challenge b/c its not all about revenue or adding seats. It's about providing easier access for fans.


What does he mean by access?

He was talking about elevators or something. Adding an extra elevator somewhere

[threeNout]

@SportsTalkBo: Long: North end zone project is a challenge b/c its not all about revenue or adding seats. It's about providing easier access for fans.


What does he mean by access?

my first guess is ticket prices.  he knows it's borderline to sell out even a big game now, raising ticket prices won't make it any easier.

[ricepig]

He was talking about elevators or something. Adding an extra elevator somewhere

I didn't hear the interview, so I wasn't aware of the context it was coming from.

[ricepig]

my first guess is ticket prices.  he knows it's borderline to sell out even a big game now, raising ticket prices won't make it any easier.

Suites and club seats will sell, will they come at the expense of regular seats?

[The_Iceman]

If you made the end zone one level of red chairback seats, then then do 3 levels of skyboxes going up until the bottom of the screen, that would sell out. Basically, remove the second level of seats in this picture and just stack luxury boxes:



We have to meet demand. Right now, we don't have enough sky boxes to meet the demand for them. But regular seats are still widely available. So add the boxes.

[ricepig]

If we could ever win consistently we would fill those seats, but every time we get something going our coach does something retarded, splits the fan base, falls off a bike or "smiles" we have been anywhere from very good to mediocre to horrible the past 14 years. When we become a annual winner and contender the butts will be in the seats.

So, do you build it for that time, or do you wait and miss out on some sales?

[ur]

Will we ever form the "A" in the south endzone to allow us to use the locker room in the new football facility?

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

If you made the end zone one level of red chairback seats, then then do 3 levels of skyboxes going up until the bottom of the screen, that would sell out. Basically, remove the second level of seats in this picture and just stack luxury boxes:



We have to meet demand. Right now, we don't have enough sky boxes to meet the demand for them. But regular seats are still widely available. So add the boxes.

Why do you keep posting this.  It looks too good, and makes too much sense so it will never get done.  As stated if the demand is for Sky boxes and higher dollar seats that's what you build.  That way you are not increasing the capacity by as much as you would by adding bleachers and you maximize revenue.  Again makes too much freaking sense. 

The only drawback is that those high dollar seats do not have jumbotron view.  Since we took down the ugly bleachers in nosebleed south side just put another big screen up there.  MSU has two now.  It's going to be the new thing and we don't want to get left behind. 

[Boar Ultimatum]

Access should mean a multiple level parking structure on the N end with immediate entrance to your seat section. Top level could be a rented "Tailgate Heaven". I would like to live long enough to hear  90K fans calling the hogs in an enclosed RRS!

[The_Iceman]

Why do you keep posting this.  It looks too good, and makes too much sense so it will never get done.  As stated if the demand is for Sky boxes and higher dollar seats that's what you build.  That way you are not increasing the capacity by as much as you would by adding bleachers and you maximize revenue.  Again makes too much freaking sense. 

The only drawback is that those high dollar seats do not have jumbotron view.  Since we took down the ugly bleachers in nosebleed south side just put another big screen up there.  MSU has two now.  It's going to be the new thing and we don't want to get left behind. 

There would be to screens in the corners of the SEZ. Plus, the sky box seats have TV's in them that show what is on the jumbo tron.

[goodguytex]

All of yall are making too much sense for this thread to be in MMQB. Almost tavern level too much sense.

[GolfnHog]

I would think that if the day comes that suites are built in the NEZ then part of the logistics would be to put those that have the suites in the parking lot on the N side. That would possibly mean moving existing scholarship parking holders to other locations etc.. However, most of the biggest BM donors are either there now are along the street adjacent to the stadium, so that may not be as big a issue as it would seen.

[opineonswine]

Suites are definitely a part of the plan.  They want those like in Cowboy Stadium where the team runs out beside them/amongst them sort of.  Field level.

I think there was also talk of having a mingling area similar to the end zone at what used to be, may still be Raymond James Stadium in Tampa.

End Zone Plazas

Our stunning $3 million pirate ship is the most eye-catching feature of the stadium. The 103-foot-long replica of an early 1800s pirate ship is the focal point of Buccaneer Cove. The 20,000-square-foot cove extends the entire length of the north end zone. In addition to the pirate ship, the cove includes a weathered, two-story pirate village facade, complete with concession stands, restrooms and other amenities.

[Danny J]

If you made the end zone one level of red chairback seats, then then do 3 levels of skyboxes going up until the bottom of the screen, that would sell out. Basically, remove the second level of seats in this picture and just stack luxury boxes:



We have to meet demand. Right now, we don't have enough sky boxes to meet the demand for them. But regular seats are still widely available. So add the boxes.

Sounds like a plan to me.....

[Sportster365]

Hard to sell skybox tickets from an end-zone view.

[ricepig]

Hard to sell skybox tickets from an end-zone view.

Yeah, they only get $42,000 for the ones in the South End zone........

[opineonswine]

Hard to sell skybox tickets from an end-zone view.

I doubt it.  We've never had trouble selling suites....EVER.

[Inhogswetrust]

If you made the end zone one level of red chairback seats, then then do 3 levels of skyboxes going up until the bottom of the screen, that would sell out. Basically, remove the second level of seats in this picture and just stack luxury boxes:



We have to meet demand. Right now, we don't have enough sky boxes to meet the demand for them. But regular seats are still widely available. So add the boxes.

That proposal has Field level suites and the second level is club seats. Only the top level isn't an "upgraded" type seat. However I agree it could be done as you say as well.

[The_Iceman]

Hard to sell skybox tickets from an end-zone view.

They have SEZ skyboxes already. I don't think the view will be a big deal, as long as there is an ample supply of food and beer in the box.

[hogcard1964]

How many seats would be added?

[Tusks]

you sell them before you build them.  think.

Hard to sell skybox tickets from an end-zone view.

[JJHog]

Unless we have a waiting list for suites, there is no reason to add on

We cant fill it up regularly as it is

crowds are dwindling all across the country in all sports

[The_Iceman]

Unless we have a waiting list for suites, there is no reason to add on

There is a waiting list for suites. A big one.

[Oklahawg]

Iceman is owning the thread. Good stuff, and (as best I can tell, for those wondering) accurate.

Skyboxes could be sold today. Problem is filling the seats left behind when folks move to the boxes. They don't want that many empties + available seats for visiting fans. Skybox fans are not noisemakers.

Parking is a growing problem - more seats = more traffic and any expansion of the NEZ cuts into parking. So, a big commitment has to include redesigning parking in the NEZ. A parking garage would probably help UA students also.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Yeah, they only get $42,000 for the ones in the South End zone........

But those have a view of the Big Screen. Make the north end zone like the Rooftop Deck & Homer's Landing at Busch Stadium.

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

Probably a combo of both sustained season ticket demand and box demand.  Oh, and a couple hundred million bucks.

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

Iceman is owning the thread. Good stuff, and (as best I can tell, for those wondering) accurate.

Skyboxes could be sold today. Problem is filling the seats left behind when folks move to the boxes. They don't want that many empties + available seats for visiting fans. Skybox fans are not noisemakers.

Parking is a growing problem - more seats = more traffic and any expansion of the NEZ cuts into parking. So, a big commitment has to include redesigning parking in the NEZ. A parking garage would probably help UA students also.

How about a giant version of the parking garage under the new practice fields.  Dig out the pit, great parking below, green space and premium parking on the ground level.  That would only cost a bajillion dollars.  BUT, it would be spectacular.

[ricepig]

How about a giant version of the parking garage under the new practice fields.  Dig out the pit, great parking below, green space and premium parking on the ground level.  That would only cost a bajillion dollars.  BUT, it would be spectacular.

The long range facilities plan had a parking garage built in Lot 44 with green space on top for tailgating.

[Inhogswetrust]

The long range facilities plan had a parking garage built in Lot 44 with green space on top for tailgating.

Lot 44 is what he called The Pit. It is the term used by students for that lot going back even before my time on the hill.

[ricepig]

Lot 44 is what he called The Pit. It is the term used by students for that lot going back even before my time on the hill.

Actually, the pit was the parking in front of Barnhill. I know, as a pledge, we had to park there in the 70's.

[Inhogswetrust]

Parking is a growing problem - more seats = more traffic and any expansion of the NEZ cuts into parking. So, a big commitment has to include redesigning parking in the NEZ. A parking garage would probably help UA students also.

The design as it has been propose doesn't change or lessen parking behind the Pigscreen. It also incorporates some of the old BAC where the old covered practice field area is into the design. It is my understanding that part of the building closest to the screen will actually remain.   

[Inhogswetrust]

Actually, the pit was the parking in front of Barnhill. I know, as a pledge, we had to park there in the 70's.

Well I guess some students had different Pits then. But those I knew called lot 44 the pit. No big deal either way.

[ArkansasI]

Should have bowled the stadium before Hog Heavens were built.

[DLUXHOG]

Dome RRS....

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Dome RRS....

Retractable roof.

[DLUXHOG]

Retractable roof.

Would be first to do so in college football would it not?

[ImHogginIt]

How many seats would be added?

I could care less how many seats our stadium holds. Currently with the amount of box and indoor seating as we have from a structural standpoint it is as big and shiny as any stadium. Bowl in the North end and it will be one impressive looking stadium.

[jgphillips3]

I don't care if ALL we add, this time, is boxes and suites.  We need to complete the bowl to hold in the sound and make RRS a truly formidable place. 

[Locutus_of_Boar]

Skyboxes could be sold today. Problem is filling the seats left behind when folks move to the boxes. They don't want that many empties + available seats for visiting fans. Skybox fans are not noisemakers.

If the skyboxes can be sold all they need to do is pull out rows in the upper deck enough to offset most of what initially gets added in outdoor seats in the NEZ  Then assuming the program grows they just gradually add the upper deck rows back as needed, keeping the capacity factor high.

[PorkRyan]

They need to turn all of the bleacher seats in RRS into chairbacks.  They need to move the opposing teams fans to the Upper Deck and sell the 111 seats as season tickets.  Then enclosing the North end zone would make RRS perfect, except for the Pepsi.   

[ErieHog]

Part of the problem may be disability compliance access.   I think we're skirting the bare minimum of handicap accessible seating, as it is,  so it might make sense in that light as well.

[Inhogswetrust]

Would be first to do so in college football would it not?

There are only two domed stadiums built specifically for a college team that I know of. Neither of which roofs retract. Idaho's Kibbie dome and Syracuse's Carrier dome.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Iceman is owning the thread. Good stuff, and (as best I can tell, for those wondering) accurate.

Skyboxes could be sold today. Problem is filling the seats left behind when folks move to the boxes. They don't want that many empties + available seats for visiting fans. Skybox fans are not noisemakers.

Parking is a growing problem - more seats = more traffic and any expansion of the NEZ cuts into parking. So, a big commitment has to include redesigning parking in the NEZ. A parking garage would probably help UA students also.

We used to tailgate in the parkling lot on the south of the Health Center (now the Epley Center for Health Professions) in the southeast corner of the parking lot. It was the best place to tailgate in my opinion because it was elevated, you could overlook everything that was going on to the south and just to the east below, you could easily walk down for the team walk from the Tyson Building and well, it was just a great spot. Kids sliding down the hill on the east side of the parking lot, I miss that tailgating spot. And the quality of your tailgate and where you are located to tailgate is definitely a positive part of the experience. It was a great experience to be able to look over RRS and the Pit below on game day.

[ImHogginIt]

We used to tailgate in the parkling lot on the south of the Health Center (now the Epley Center for Health Professions) in the southeast corner of the parking lot. It was the best place to tailgate in my opinion because it was elevated, you could overlook everything that was going on to the south and just to the east below, you could easily walk down for the team walk from the Tyson Building and well, it was just a great spot. Kids sliding down the hill on the east side of the parking lot, I miss that tailgating spot. And the quality of your tailgate and where you are located to tailgate is definitely a positive part of the experience. It was a great experience to be able to look over RRS and the Pit below on game day.

Yeah in 2011 the UA bought the house where we used to tailgate for about 15 years and gave it to some of the higher up RF donors to park at. Have not found a spot we like near as much and that has taken away some of my enjoyment of attending games.

[ricepig]

Well I guess some students had different Pits then. But those I knew called lot 44 the pit. No big deal either way.

Yeah, probably was. It was a lovely gravel parking lot that went from the front of Barnhill to Meadow St, every football and basketball game we had to clear out.

[ricepig]

They need to turn all of the bleacher seats in RRS into chairbacks.  They need to move the opposing teams fans to the Upper Deck and sell the 111 seats as season tickets.  Then enclosing the North end zone would make RRS perfect, except for the Pepsi.   

They aren't going to do that, it would be nice, but they won't.

[ricepig]

If the skyboxes can be sold all they need to do is pull out rows in the upper deck enough to offset most of what initially gets added in outdoor seats in the NEZ  Then assuming the program grows they just gradually add the upper deck rows back as needed, keeping the capacity factor high.

Nah, they can sell suites and club seats in the North end zone, and if they need addition seating, add on top of that.

[Razorback65]

During my time on campus the parking lot just north of the stadium was graveled and commonly known as the finger bowl.