Detroit steals Matt Hall LHP Mo State

[hawgXi]

the tigers pick up a 6th round 3 #190 deal drafting LHP Hall who one hit the Hogs last week and led the nation in strike outs for the season.

Hall scorched the hogs after his team mate got bombed in the first game of the super series at baum.  Harris, who was knocked out in the first game ended up going in the first round despite the Hog beat down coming the week of the draft.

[lahawg1]

So, Hall goes in the 6th round (190th) and AB goes 7th overall, who is laughing now?

[HawgWild]

Yeah, I looked for Hall's name after the first day ad was surprised I didn't see it. I agree, Detroit got a bargain.

[navyhog24]

So, Hall goes in the 6th round (190th) and AB goes 7th overall, who is laughing now?

I wouldn't be laughing. He backed up his trashing talking with his performance. As cocky as he is, he at least backs it up.

[onebadrubi]

His actions may have kept a team from taking a higher draft pick chance on him. 

[Big Nasty 34]

Nah, I think his ceiling is just not too high. Could really be a valuable specialist I think though. Possibly a middle of a rotation guy I suppose.

[jbell96]

Hall went where he was projected, hardly would call it a steal.

[ucahogfan]

Hall projects as a back of the rotation or situational LHP.  He tops out at 90.  Not many pitchers can be top of the rotation guys with below average fastball velo.

[onebadrubi]

Hall projects as a back of the rotation or situational LHP.  He tops out at 90.  Not many pitchers can be top of the rotation guys with below average fastball velo.

With determination and no quit they can, see Jamie Moyer.

[ucahogfan]

With determination and no quit they can, see Jamie Moyer.

Moyer has a career 4.25 ERA.  Sure he had a few great yeas in his late 30s pitching at Safeco, but I don't know if you would ever call him more than a back of the rotation guy.

[onebadrubi]

Moyer has a career 4.25 ERA.  Sure he had a few great yeas in his late 30s pitching at Safeco, but I don't know if you would ever call him more than a back of the rotation guy.

He also has the record for most home runs off of one pitcher.  At first glance that could be a bad record to hold, but it says a lot about a career when you think about it. 

But to have that long of a career, with that amount of wins, and never hitting 90.  There is a place for it in many starting rotations and a lot of money to be made doing it. 

edit: I see I read your orignal post incorrectly, I see you are saying top of the rotation as a number 1 guy.  With that being said I agree with you, but you can still be in a 5 man rotation and have 20 win years within your career.

[jbell96]

With determination and no quit they can, see Jamie Moyer.

While Moyer had a good career, and great win totals while pitching for those Seattle teams of the late 90's to the early 2000's, he was never what you would call a top of the rotation guy.

[onebadrubi]

While Moyer had a good career, and great win totals while pitching for those Seattle teams of the late 90's to the early 2000's, he was never what you would call a top of the rotation guy.

I misinterupted the top of rotation guy reading over it too fast.  He was not a 1 type pitcher

[Hogarusa]

I would imagine every pitcher would be happy to take Moyers 25 year career or $85 million made.

Funny that anyone would take 1 game pitched against the Hogs and determine that he is a steal in the draft because of it.

[onebadrubi]

I would imagine every pitcher would be happy to take Moyers 25 year career or $85 million made.

Funny that anyone would take 1 game pitched against the Hogs and determine that he is a steal in the draft because of it.

Pretty much my point originally thought of.  Top of rotation doesn't matter, a 25 year career and 85 million is what is nice. 

[popcornhog]

So, Hall goes in the 6th round (190th) and AB goes 7th overall, who is laughing now?

Lol, wut?

How are the two related. He pitched a great game at Baum stadium, I thoroughly enjoyed watching him.

[hogman64]

Lol, wut?

How are the two related. He pitched a great game at Baum stadium, I thoroughly enjoyed watching him.

you should watch a replay of the 69 Texas game bet you would love that one....the Horns played a pretty good game..

[onebadrubi]

Lol, wut?

How are the two related. He pitched a great game at Baum stadium, I thoroughly enjoyed watching him.

I think he is referring to Hall's actions and disrespectful behavior during the game in correlation to the draft picks.

[King]

Since we won the super, I'm a fan of the guy.  Can only respect how he threw and backed up his showy demeanor.

[onebadrubi]

Matt Hall's size was a question mark for the majors.  Still can't believe he wasn't picked up until the 6th round.  When you can pitch, you can pitch.  Matt can pitch.

Well, he's exactly where he needs to be.  If he can pitch he will move up and make it.  You argument point is valid if he was having issues making a roster in A ball.

[Razorback_Mack]

Hall projects as a back of the rotation or situational LHP.  He tops out at 90.  Not many pitchers can be top of the rotation guys with below average fastball velo.

I know that's what the radar gun says but his fastball plays faster than that when you've got a hook like he does.

[Tusks]

Matt Hall's size was a question mark for the majors.  Still can't believe he wasn't picked up until the 6th round.  When you can pitch, you can pitch.  Matt can pitch.

Greg Maddox and Tom Glavin say hello.

I think you're gong to see a change back to "if you can pitch you make it" vs all this who can throw the hardest.  Like Smoltz says, he's predicted he'll be the only pitcher with tommy john surgery to make the hall of fame and I believe him.

Kids are blowing their arms out faster than they can repair them all and at younger and younger ages.

Would you rather throw 100 for a 2 year career or throw 90 and PITCH for 12 years.

[popcornhog]

you should watch a replay of the 69 Texas game bet you would love that one....the Horns played a pretty good game..

All time heart breaker. I cannot stand to re-watch that game.

But I can still appreciate good baseball -- not sure how the two are related.

[popcornhog]

I think he is referring to Hall's actions and disrespectful behavior during the game in correlation to the draft picks.

I was at the game -- guess I didn't notice. Are you talking about him jumping up and down or did he say something in the presser?

[jbell96]

I was at the game -- guess I didn't notice. Are you talking about him jumping up and down or did he say something in the presser?

He didn't say anything in the presser. He told AB to go sit down after he struck him out one inning & their SS was talking trash after AB popped out in the 9th.

[popcornhog]

He didn't say anything in the presser. He told AB to go sit down after he struck him out one inning & their SS was talking trash after AB popped out in the 9th.

I guess I'm not that easily offended. Great pitcher -- he was fun to watch.

Glad we won the series.

[onebadrubi]

I guess I'm not that easily offended. Great pitcher -- he was fun to watch.

Glad we won the series.

He was competing after his team got truly whopped, I'm not shocked and don't think that is him in a nutshell.  I didn't see everything people here said, but I wasn't watching either. 

[lahawg1]

I think he is referring to Hall's actions and disrespectful behavior during the game in correlation to the draft picks.

Correct, AB has put up numbers all season and Hall (IMHO) had a career game against us.

I work with a former MLB pitcher (11 years in the bigs) and his opinion is he may (Hall) make it to the show but he won't be there long.

[hog.goblin]

I guess I'm not that easily offended. Great pitcher -- he was fun to watch.

Glad we won the series.

he also unzipped his pants and shook his junk at the fans above the dugout

honestly, by the time Sunday's game ended I was less concerned with his attitude more with their hitters at the plate.  I've never seen an ump shown up like that.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

6th round pick. Great Curve ball. Big attitude...not always a good thing. MLB drafts on potential. He showed his arse on Saturday. Not exactly a steal as the OP suggested. Time will tell. Apologize for stating the obvious.

[PORKULATOR]

Seeing as how Hall needs about 3 years of attitude adjustment before he can actually throw a ball on a mlb athlete, I'd say he was drafted early. I've watched Chattanooga Lookouts starting pitcher DJBaxendale hurl the sphere and he's loads better than that Mo pecker. Hall isn't ready. Doesn't have the brains for it .

[hogman64]

All time heart breaker. I cannot stand to re-watch that game.

But I can still appreciate good baseball -- not sure how the two are related.

they relate because we lost both games.......I  really don't enjoy any great performance from the other team's players when the Hogs loose a big game....respect it and acknowledge it was a great effort but never enjoy it... but that's just me.

[popcornhog]

they relate because we lost both games.......I  really don't enjoy any great performance from the other team's players when the Hogs loose a big game....respect it and acknowledge it was a great effort but never enjoy it... but that's just me.

Well, either way, we got the last laugh!

I don't see Missouri State in Omaha.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Well, either way, we got the last laugh!

I don't see Missouri State in Omaha.

Exactly. Hall's a punk.

[AirForceHog]

I couldn't imagine MoSt in the CWS.  If they had made it I think 90% of the country would be routing against them if the showed out like they did in Fayetteville.

[Tigerloather]

Greg Maddox and Tom Glavin say hello.

I think you're gong to see a change back to "if you can pitch you make it" vs all this who can throw the hardest.  Like Smoltz says, he's predicted he'll be the only pitcher with tommy john surgery to make the hall of fame and I believe him.

Kids are blowing their arms out faster than they can repair them all and at younger and younger ages.

Would you rather throw 100 for a 2 year career or throw 90 and PITCH for 12 years.

Was thinking the exact same thing

[Birminghog]

Yet another reason to root against Detroit. I was hoping that punque would go to an NL team. Let him try that trash when he has to bat.

[dotnet]

It isnt an either or with the hard thrower and TJ. Verlander didn't have TJ.

This thread is so cliché. If it's a soft throwing lefty then he'll be the next Jaimee Moyer. If he's a slower throwing righty then he'll be the next Maddux. (Which is just a misrepresentation of who Maddux was as a pitcher and only looking at him age 33ish and up but whatever...)

The guy isn't better to me than Michael Roth was in college, you know the other guy who was going to be Jaimee Moyer.

[bulldog04]

I couldn't imagine MoSt in the CWS.  If they had made it I think 90% of the country would be routing against them if the showed out like they did in Fayetteville.

It would've been fun to watch them and Louisville play. They had a pitcher that made Hall look like a nice guy

[Iwastherein1969]

Yeah, I looked for Hall's name after the first day ad was surprised I didn't see it. I agree, Detroit got a bargain.

Detroit got nothing but an azz-clown...sure he one hit us, but a lot of teams have one-hit the hogs through the years....he throws pus up there and when he gets to say the Double A level he will not see many left-handed batters...I say he's selling insurance at his dad's office within 3 years...then that 'ish-eating' grin of his might do him some good as he tries to tack on the dental policy to the Smith family's health policy in Springfield, MO

[onebadrubi]

It isnt an either or with the hard thrower and TJ. Verlander didn't have TJ.

This thread is so cliché. If it's a soft throwing lefty then he'll be the next Jaimee Moyer. If he's a slower throwing righty then he'll be the next Maddux. (Which is just a misrepresentation of who Maddux was as a pitcher and only looking at him age 33ish and up but whatever...)

The guy isn't better to me than Michael Roth was in college, you know the other guy who was going to be Jaimee Moyer.

You don't understand the point of forums and discussion topics do you?  No one said he would be the next Moyer (there won't be another one) and no one said he'd be the next maddux.  Comprehension failure at its finest. 

[popcornhog]

Detroit got nothing but an azz-clown...sure he one hit us, but a lot of teams have one-hit the hogs through the years....he throws pus up there and when he gets to say the Double A level he will not see many left-handed batters...I say he's selling insurance at his dad's office within 3 years...then that 'ish-eating' grin of his might do him some good as he tries to tack on the dental policy to the Smith family's health policy in Springfield, MO

His one hitter against the hogs isn't the reason that he was drafted. It has a lot more to do with leading the nation in K's, you know, all season long.

What is wrong with our fan base that we are always so butt hurt?

[hog.goblin]

It isnt an either or with the hard thrower and TJ. Verlander didn't have TJ.

This thread is so cliché. If it's a soft throwing lefty then he'll be the next Jaimee Moyer. If he's a slower throwing righty then he'll be the next Maddux. (Which is just a misrepresentation of who Maddux was as a pitcher and only looking at him age 33ish and up but whatever...)

The guy isn't better to me than Michael Roth was in college, you know the other guy who was going to be Jaimee Moyer.

[BroyledNutts]

Yet another reason to root against Detroit. I was hoping that punque would go to an NL team. Let him try that trash when he has to bat.

I'm not going to stop watching James McCann's rise to stardom just because the Tigers drafted an immature kid with pitching skills...in all likelihood he may never see anything higher than AA ball. If he does, he'll have grown out of that low brow attitude by then...or had it drummed out of him.

[Deep Shoat]

IF he makes the show, it will likely be a a situational lefty out of the bullpen. 

Still a good gig, if you can get it...

[(notOM)Rebel123]

His one hitter against the hogs isn't the reason that he was drafted. It has a lot more to do with leading the nation in K's, you know, all season long.

What is wrong with our fan base that we are always so butt hurt?

Hmmm, I can't imagine why.......

[Iwastherein1969]

Hmmm, I can't imagine why.......

those uniforms that Mizzou St trotted out there the second and third game of the series were reasons enough for that 'hick school' not to make the CWS...good lord they were god-awful.....and I'll bet if you did some research on the brightness of those tops they have an effect on when the hitters pick-up the ball on it's way to the plate...I guess I'm looking for an excuse for our poor hitting against that guy