How do we recruit our way out of this???????

[Tweeter]

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[Martygit]

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If the answer is that we have to "recruit our way out of this" then we're doomed - Ark can't recruit players like Ala/Aub/LSU/etc, et al, can - ain't gonna happen

[hogsanity]

If the answer is that we have to "recruit our way out of this" then we're doomed - Ark can't recruit players like Ala/Aub/LSU/etc, et al, can - ain't gonna happen

then how do you beat them consistently? Better talent is going to win a majority of the time.

[Atlhogfan1]

Out of what?   The bad defense?  IMO emphasize speed in recruiting assessments.

[IronHog]

then how do you beat them consistently? Better talent is going to win a majority of the time.

QB play
High IQ football
OL play
Sheer terror

[jjdlc]

then how do you beat them consistently? Better talent is going to win a majority of the time.

You are correct, however, a team can develop players over a 4-5 year period, similar to what Mullen did at Miss St did that lead to the two good seasons they had.  After that the stars have to align. 

I believe that recruiting can improve, but is going to take time and stability to do it legally.

[Tweeter]

Okay then how do we out recruit Missouri???

[Hawgphish]

move our campus to Atlanta.

[Danny J]

Out of what?   The bad defense?  IMO emphasize speed in recruiting assessments.

Yes...we need quicker O lineman, Froholdt is definitely the quickest and has been getting better and also usually leading the way when pulling out to the second level. We need speed mainly at LB and Safety. Our line backers are slow slow slow and so are our safeties. If that means recruiting a bit smaller LB's then do it. We can't keep matching a guy like Ellis up on slot receivers...it makes zero sense.

[Hawghiggs]

   Things that we can do.

  1, Recruit a top-15 O-line each season
  2, Recruit a 4 or 5 star running back each season
  3, Recruit a top Kicker/Punter each season
  4, Recruit a top Tight end each season
  5, Recruit tall physical receivers that are good a run blocking.

[Boarcephus]

then how do you beat them consistently? Better talent is going to win a majority of the time.

Then you better have a staff that can do more with less, like a Petrino team and before I  get jumped about the UL/UK game they also beat the crap out of FSU and will go to a helluva lot better bowl than we will.  We haven't beaten a single team we didn't out talent with the lone exception of Ole Miss

[Atlhogfan1]

Then you better have a staff that can do more with less, like a Petrino team and before I  get jumped about the UL/UK game they also beat the crap out of FSU and will go to a helluva lot better bowl than we will.  We haven't beaten a single team we didn't out talent with the lone exception of Ole Miss

Florida especially on defense.

Petrino didn't have less offensively in 2010 and 11.

[Boarcephus]

Petrino didn't have less offensively in 2010 and 11.

and he went 10-3 and 11-2. 

I will give you this, UF is a head scratcher.  We had 4 losses this year by blow out margins and one to Missouri.  I'm not saying Bielema is a bad hire but it appears he's made some poor choices in his hires. 

[sowmonella]

   Things that we can do.

  1, Recruit a top-15 O-line each season
  2, Recruit a 4 or 5 star running back each season
  3, Recruit a top Kicker/Punter each season
  4, Recruit a top Tight end each season
  5, Recruit tall physical receivers that are good a run blocking.

No mention of defense? That's where the deficit is.

[Atlhogfan1]

and he went 10-3 and 11-2. 

I will give you this, UF is a head scratcher.  We had 4 losses this year by blow out margins and one to Missouri.  I'm not saying Bielema is a bad hire but it appears he's made some poor choices in his hires.

A lot with Florida was Del Rio and a solid day from our offense.

I don't get the Segrest hire.

He needs SEC experience in the def assts and he has a total of 1 season with Rhoads at AU. 

[AirWarren]

move our campus to Atlanta.

Yup.

Nwa is too bumpkin white and it's close to Harrison. Just the way the cards are dealt.

[Boarcephus]

Nya is too bumpkin white

Can't say this, even though you may be right. 

[hoglady]

Out of what?   The bad defense?  IMO emphasize speed in recruiting assessments.

Ditto.

[IronHog]

Yup.

Nwa is too bumpkin white and it's close to Harrison. Just the way the cards are dealt.

Not the issue


Just weird there for a southerner

[Nosboar Accubond]

   Things that we can do.

  1, Recruit a top-15 O-line each season
  2, Recruit a 4 or 5 star running back each season
  3, Recruit a top Kicker/Punter each season
  4, Recruit a top Tight end each season
  5, Recruit tall physical receivers that are good a run blocking.

So about that defense...

[hoglady]

Hope if we make some coaching changes we start seeing some coaches with some Deep South ties.
Our coaching staff is made up of mostly mid-westerners.
Sure wouldn't hurt to have a coach or 2 with SEC experience.

[AirWarren]

Not the issue


Just weird there for a southerner

Southern blacks especially.

Fayetteville is good for folks like that one poster that likes to take the picture of the same cliff rock and use it as avatar. Folks that like to take pictures of changing fall colors.

NOT Jalen Hurts type athletes.

[Hawghiggs]

So about that defense...

The best defense for Arkansas is a solid offense. We recruit good defensive players. Poor coaching and scheme are Arkansas biggest obstacle. Keeping the other teams offense off the field has got to be the priority.

[atekido]

then how do you beat them consistently? Better talent is going to win a majority of the time.

Who said we are supposed to beat them consistently....?  Why do you think that should happen?  Bama has a WAY larger instate talent pool proven by the kids who played HS FB in Alabama who are currently in the NFL which is like 60.  They basically have the highest highschool talent to population ratio in the country.  Florida highschools have the most NFL players. about 3x more but have 5x the population.  20 million vs 4 million.  That is a Huge advantage.

[Hogimus Prime]

Need speed and quickness at LB even if they are slightly undersized.  Lack of LB speed and quickness is part of the problem. DL and DB's can not be very aggressive when the DC is trying to cover that big of a weakness.

Quit trying to bulk everyone up. IMO that is part of the problem. Getting too big too fast takes a lot of speed, quickness and flexibility away.   

[luke hawg]

We are recruiting our way out of this. This will be Bielema's third quality class. The first two came off losing seasons. They contained a lot of Jucos and a couple players that never made it to campus. The last two classes have been good. We need 3 more with a big season in 2017 or 2018 to keep the natives from screwing it up. Most the talent on this team are freshman, sophomores, or redshirt sophomores. We need to keep on making bowl games winning 7-9 and redshirting 15-17 players.

[gchamblee]

   Things that we can do.

  1, Recruit a top-15 O-line each season
  2, Recruit a 4 or 5 star running back each season
  3, Recruit a top Kicker/Punter each season
  4, Recruit a top Tight end each season
  5, Recruit tall physical receivers that are good a run blocking.

we seem to be rb, qb, te and receiver rich. what we need are oline, linebackers and cornerbacks. those 3 areas would have made a huge difference this year. when we lost greenlaw, 1 player, we lostt the ability to play defense if something made it past the dline.

[gchamblee]

Who said we are supposed to beat them consistently....?  Why do you think that should happen?  Bama has a WAY larger instate talent pool proven by the kids who played HS FB in Alabama who are currently in the NFL which is like 60.  They basically have the highest highschool talent to population ratio in the country.  Florida highschools have the most NFL players. about 3x more but have 5x the population.  20 million vs 4 million.  That is a Huge advantage.

we should at least beat them half the time, and at least be competitive in the losses. I always thought CBB would have us competitive even if we lost, but this year he proved me wrong.

[longpig]

Need speed and quickness at LB even if they are slightly undersized.  Lack of LB speed and quickness is part of the problem. DL and DB's can not be very aggressive when the DC is trying to cover that big of a weakness.

Quit trying to bulk everyone up. IMO that is part of the problem. Getting too big too fast takes a lot of speed, quickness and flexibility away.

We're going to miss Brooks Ellis's slow self. 

[greenie]

Southern blacks especially.

Fayetteville is good for folks like that one poster that likes to take the picture of the same cliff rock and use it as avatar. Folks that like to take pictures of changing fall colors.

NOT Jalen Hurts type athletes.

So Tuscaloosa, Oxford, Baton Rouge, Auburn are more appealing from a cultural standpoint than Fayetteville?  Not sure I can go there.  I think it's more that we are not seen as a top-tier program, and with all the pub that surrounds recruiting these days, "top-tier" programs win most recruiting battles.

[cosmodrum]

Bags of cash. Big ones.

[cosmodrum]

So Tuscaloosa, Oxford, Baton Rouge, Auburn are more appealing from a cultural standpoint than Fayetteville?  Not sure I can go there.  I think it's more that we are not seen as a top-tier program, and with all the pub that surrounds recruiting these days, "top-tier" programs win most recruiting battles.

If you mean a place more familiar, then yes. Fayetteville is another planet to those kids.

[parallaxpig]

Texas

[Boarcephus]

If you mean a place more familiar, then yes. Fayetteville is another planet to those kids.

Well said and dead on. 

[DeltaBoy]

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Very carefully we got to cut down on the misses we are having.

[Piggfoot]

This gets old.

Black athletes from TX go to:
OU
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Nebraska
Missouri
Colorado
Wyoming
Montana
...and a whole lot of other "white" places.

If you want to see "white" go through the MSP airport in the winter.  Those people are practically glowing.

Arkansas has a STRONG history of getting great athletes from Texas.

It's a weak excuse.

Are you serious? Those places have forever been more tolerant and accepting of other than white.

[Boarcephus]

This gets old.

Black athletes from TX go to:
OU
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Nebraska
Missouri
Colorado
Wyoming
Montana
...and a whole lot of other "white" places.

If you want to see "white" go through the MSP airport in the winter.  Those people are practically glowing.

Arkansas has a STRONG history of getting great athletes from Texas.

It's a weak excuse. 

I'd wager the only Texas athletes that go to Wyoming, Iowa, Minnesota, Montana, Missouri, Colorado are the ones without a lot of other options.

[userpick]

Bags of cash. Big ones.

^ Bottom line. If you don't like the thought of unethical/illegal  methods, go support a program that doesn't have to in order to win. We ain't getting another Petrino. And even if we did, that doesn't guarantee anything. Arkansas will not get an out of state, 5 star skill player unless he just falls into our lap.

[elksnort]

Southern blacks especially.

Fayetteville is good for folks like that one poster that likes to take the picture of the same cliff rock and use it as avatar. Folks that like to take pictures of changing fall colors.

NOT Jalen Hurts type athletes.

Yeah, Nolan's teams were mostly white.

[elksnort]

^ Bottom line. If you don't like the thought of unethical/illegal  methods, go support a program that doesn't have to in order to win. We ain't getting another Petrino. And even if we did, that doesn't guarantee anything. Arkansas will not get an out of state, 5 star skill player unless he just falls into our lap.

THIS^^^^
at least for a stud LB

[IronHog]

This gets old.

Black athletes from TX go to:
OU
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Nebraska
Missouri
Colorado
Wyoming
Montana
...and a whole lot of other "white" places.

If you want to see "white" go through the MSP airport in the winter.  Those people are practically glowing.

Arkansas has a STRONG history of getting great athletes from Texas.

It's a weak excuse. 

Texas recruits aren't southern and they aren't gonna cut it on a large scale in the SEC west.

[IronHog]

So Tuscaloosa, Oxford, Baton Rouge, Auburn are more appealing from a cultural standpoint than Fayetteville?  Not sure I can go there.  I think it's more that we are not seen as a top-tier program, and with all the pub that surrounds recruiting these days, "top-tier" programs win most recruiting battles.

Yes all those places are much more appealing.....to most D1 recruits.


If you are from Monroe or Shreveport those places feel like home.....Fayetteville is like you fell off the earth.  It may be "nicer" but it is still a big culture shift.

Players commit to coaches but distance and local community are big factors as well.

[SEdrhawg]

maybe?

[farmhawg]

Recruiting might help the piss poor coaching but right now it's not any better.

[Pork Twain]

Never going to outrecruit the powers in the SEC

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=621672.0

[Mike_e]

Hey, if we're just going to pie in the sky our way out of this then rebuilding the HS football infrastructure in Arkansas would help a lot.  We may not get any more 5* types but the extra 3* and 4* guys that were already coached up at their natural positions and already bleed Razorback red would be a Godsend.

[Atlhogfan1]

Hey, if we're just going to pie in the sky our way out of this then rebuilding the HS football infrastructure in Arkansas would help a lot.  We may not get any more 5* types but the extra 3* and 4* guys that were already coached up at their natural positions and already bleed Razorback red would be a Godsend.

Consolidation would have to happen to even have a start with this and Arkansas won't do it. The state has what 32 teams combined in its largest divisions and nearly a 100 in each of its smaller divisions?

[swineology]

We have 3 legit OL coming in in January. Wagner could be a starter, the others if nothing else provide quality depth.
K Rich and Dre will be back healthy. Scoota will be good. Jean-Baptiste will provide depth at the LB position.

If we can somehow hang on to Ragnow, OL could be legit

Get rid of Segrest and Smith and hire Strong and Partridge.


:razorback: :razorback:

[Pork Twain]

Consolidation would have to happen to even have a start with this and Arkansas won't do it. The state has what 32 teams combined in its largest divisions and nearly a 100 in each of its smaller divisions?

In many rural areas, consolidation would be a logistical nightmare and will never happen.

[HawgTrough]

http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=SEC

doesn't look like we're going to