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stormyhog

just win like florida did over kentucky and you don't have to worry about refs.  I don't think refs are the probably, we are just a young, unexperience team.  Alabama had a rebuilding year last year and now look at them.  Maybe we won't be as good as Alabama next year, but I bet we will see major improvement.

HognotinMemphis

Quote from: Lanny on October 25, 2008, 09:44:14 pm
The call for offensive interference should not have been called.  Bush league refs
I didn't see the PI by Crawford...didn't see anything that approached it before or during the catch. They missed the onside kick recovery. They are SEC refs...they aren't supposed to make so many errors. On a pass before the PI call, the OM defender pushed the Hog WR all the way down the sideline and nothing was called.
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PORKINATOR

Just once I'd like to see the Hogs win the West, and kick some @ss in Atlanta. Respect has to be earned, by play on the field. Excellence overcomes adversity.

jabohog

Quote from: Yoko Oinko on October 25, 2008, 09:49:33 pm
I"m old enough to remember the SWC and we got screwed by Texas refs every week.  With Texas and Tech leading the Big XII I don't see Arkansas getting a fair shake..  You want to move to C-USA or MT West?
Which one of those is Tulsa in? Let's take the other.

jvanhorn

How about the Big 12 becomes the Big 14.  We could go to the north and Tulsa could go to the south.  I admit there is a problem with an odd number of teams in each division, but I am pretty sure that Tulsa is at least as good as Baylor and Iowa State.  I have never understood why Iowa is in one conference and Iowa State in another--doesn't make much sense for either team.

jc21711

October 25, 2008, 11:00:04 pm #55 Last Edit: October 25, 2008, 11:01:39 pm by jc21711
What happened on the last ole miss FG??

honkyfool

Quote from: Bubbaswinestein on October 25, 2008, 10:05:09 pm
Texas,OU and OSU could be great rivals and it makes much more sense geographically to be in the Big XII. There's too much good ol' boy bs in the SEC for me and there's no better example of it than the incompetent morons that make up the SEC's group of officials.

You are correct.  Us folks in the midwest believe in honesty, treating people fairly, and being nice to people.  I swear sometime I think the south still has not recovered from the civil war.

hog.goblin

Quote from: Hoggish1 on October 25, 2008, 09:52:45 pm
Bottom line: We need better fans who know the game.  NWArkansas fans don't know the game. 

Perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever read on Hogville.

Hugulus Hog

When the going gets tough, the tough ... bail out of the conference?

RationalHog

Quote from: forrest city joe on October 25, 2008, 09:42:25 pm
And it's not just this calls tonight or last week.this has been a problem every since we have been in this sorry A--confrence. the sec refs seem to think we are some 3rd rate program not worthy of the likes of even the Olemiss and KY's of the world.that call on Crawford was BS. as was the call on ole miss last FG.i have been screaming about this for years.it's time to try and get in the Big 12.we can not let the sec force us into being a 3rd rate program. notice how we cant get any calls when it's close and the game is on the line? im sick of it. the hell with the sec.
We get beat up and down the field for 56 min and our stellar offense has to rely on recovering an onside kick and two hail marys vs a terrible secondary to even have a shot at winning the game.  As bad as the offensive PI call was it never should have come down to that.  We are not very good. Accept it and understand this turnaround will take a while.
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Albert Einswine

Good lord, Joe!  I've watched SEC football closely for years and you know what I've noticed?

The SEC officials just plain suck!  They have no agenda as regards our Hogs.

They just plain suck.  They're equal opportunity vacuum generators.  I've seen ludicrous calls go for and against every team in this league.

Clarity my good man.... get you some.
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jabohog

Quote from: The real Hogules on October 25, 2008, 10:38:23 pm
An example of those bone headed plays was Casey Dick's interception right before the half that allowed Old Myth to kick a FG and those three points were the difference in the outcome of tonights contest.
It's hard to disagree with this.

El Puerco

and our missed field goal.  refs are hosing us too though

 

SLC

I think the problem may be GAMBLING. 

Poor officiating is not happening at just AR, but across the league.  I think a lot of refs bet on games. Games they are officiating.
I don't have any proof, but they certainly cannot be this inept. 
I need your truthful reply - lie, I will know it... and death will be no respite.

jabohog

It really comes down to the fact that we played good enough on defense to win, but made too many mistakes on offense, and missed out on too many opportunities to be in the position for the refs to  influence the game.

Hogustus Caesar

I understand the frustration and I share in that same frustration. What most folks forget is that it is not just this game. No, there have been calls for years against us. I know it happens to other teams as well, but I watch college football and not just the SEC and it seems that Arkansas is not getting fair treatment. I understand why some fans want out of the SEC. Fans are mad. I am mad. It looked from all reports that the Kentucky game greatly "influenced" by the officials. Tonight's game looks even worse. The NBA had a problem with refs calling the game right and that ref is serving time. I am not saying that the refs fixed the game, but I do wonder after the pattern of the last few years that conspiracy theorists certainly do have the opportunity to feed that line of thinking.
So what conference? Big 12, Conference USA, Big 10 or Mtn. West? The answer is none of the above. The SEC is where we will stay. Not long from now, BP will have us in the BCS and this game will be a memory. The SEC also means money, television exposure and tradition.
Make no mistake about it, the Hogs are on the right track. Coach Bobby P is the man. Nutt is gone. He will be remembered in the same line of coaches like Danny Ford and Jack Crowe; all transitional coaches. The legends will be remembered for generations. BP is destined to be a legend on the Hill.
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IronHog

Quote from: forrest city joe on October 25, 2008, 09:42:25 pm
And it's not just this calls tonight or last week.this has been a problem every since we have been in this sorry A--confrence. the sec refs seem to think we are some 3rd rate program not worthy of the likes of even the Olemiss and KY's of the world.that call on Crawford was BS. as was the call on ole miss last FG.i have been screaming about this for years.it's time to try and get in the Big 12.we can not let the sec force us into being a 3rd rate program. notice how we cant get any calls when it's close and the game is on the line? im sick of it. the hell with the sec.

You think that ref would pull that BS at Bama or LSU?

Nope

Why?  The fans would be a threat to rush the field.

No one fears the fans at RRS. 
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3kgthog

Don't worry Hog fans. Petrino will send yet another tape to the SEC office this week. They'll brush it off as being great officiating, though.

But what do we expect? This is the same conference that A-ok'ed referees blatantly tackling players.

FATBACKHAWG

Do we really believe the officiating would be any better in any conference we go? 

honkyfool

Quote from: bowlhogs07 on October 26, 2008, 12:11:37 am
Do we really believe the officiating would be any better in any conference we go? 
Do you believe it can get any worse?

Justifiable Hogicide

Quote from: Lanny on October 25, 2008, 09:44:14 pm
The call for offensive interference should not have been called.  Bush league refs
That reception won the game for us.
Then the refs stole it with that outrageous call.

McHogLovin

October 26, 2008, 12:23:16 am #71 Last Edit: October 26, 2008, 12:29:47 am by McHogLovin
Quote from: jabohog on October 25, 2008, 10:52:33 pm
Which one of those is Tulsa in? Let's take the other.
Oh, Shuuut Upp!  Let's make Tulsa an annual game.  They may have a shot this year, but after that, it's over.  I'm as big of Malzahn fan as you're gonna find, but I'm not in the mood to see STUPID comments like this one.

tahlahog

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Quote from: forrest city joe on October 25, 2008, 09:42:25 pm
And it's not just this calls tonight or last week.this has been a problem every since we have been in this sorry A--confrence. the sec refs seem to think we are some 3rd rate program not worthy of the likes of even the Olemiss and KY's of the world.that call on Crawford was BS. as was the call on ole miss last FG.i have been screaming about this for years.it's time to try and get in the Big 12.we can not let the sec force us into being a 3rd rate program. notice how we cant get any calls when it's close and the game is on the line? im sick of it. the hell with the sec.

intoxhog

Quote from: honkyfool on October 26, 2008, 12:17:25 am
Do you believe it can get any worse?

Yes! My wife is a huge OU fan, so consequently I watch a lot of BIG 12 games. We have nothing to complain about when it comes to overall officiating in the SEC. It could be much much worse!
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El Puerco

Quote from: baconblizzard on October 25, 2008, 09:55:36 pm
They tried to give the game to Ole Miss on the kickoff fumble recovery.
the replay prevented that, so they used the ole offensive pass interference call to kill us.

exactly

b0sc0b

Watching any game in any conference will show that calls are missed all the time.  They are magnified by slo-mo and instant replay.  Teams cannot depend on good or bad calls to win the game.  Your team must be good enough to win despite adversity.
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El Puerco

October 26, 2008, 07:27:35 am #76 Last Edit: October 26, 2008, 07:41:39 am by El Puerco
Quote from: b0sc0b on October 26, 2008, 07:17:07 am
Watching any game in any conference will show that calls are missed all the time.  They are magnified by slo-mo and instant replay.  Teams cannot depend on good or bad calls to win the game.  Your team must be good enough to win despite adversity.

I don't think anybody expects to win games based on officiating, but they certainly don't expect to dump two in a row.  If we get burned and it costs us big a few times, fine, but this has become a pattern.

AND...it's not just the call.  It's HOW it's being made:  Hearing from our receivers that the refs are telling them to inch up to the line and then they throw the flag....Ref's 30 yards away throwing the flag.  Too much.

bcdeputy

Tell me you guys didn't just figure this out tonight?  The refs in the SEC have always thought it was their job to decide every game of the year.  It's not quite as bad in football as it is in basketball.  The basketball refs are PATHETIC.  The roughing the passer call years ago on Bua against Chris "Mr. overrated" Leak was a truly terrible call too.  It's been this way since our first day in the SEC, and it won't change anytime soon

Albert Einswine

Quote from: honkyfool on October 26, 2008, 12:17:25 am
Do you believe it can get any worse?



You do realize we were in the SWC, right?
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hogscore

I can understand being upset about some bad calls, but do you really want to leave the best conference in college football?

rcowen

Quote from: forrest city joe on October 25, 2008, 09:42:25 pm
And it's not just this calls tonight or last week.this has been a problem every since we have been in this sorry A--confrence. the sec refs seem to think we are some 3rd rate program not worthy of the likes of even the Olemiss and KY's of the world.that call on Crawford was BS. as was the call on ole miss last FG.i have been screaming about this for years.it's time to try and get in the Big 12.we can not let the sec force us into being a 3rd rate program. notice how we cant get any calls when it's close and the game is on the line? im sick of it. the hell with the sec.

No thanks. I think i'll stay in the best conference in america.

Feralhog

Quote from: Albert Einswine on October 25, 2008, 11:21:44 pm
Good lord, Joe!  I've watched SEC football closely for years and you know what I've noticed?

The SEC officials just plain suck!  They have no agenda as regards our Hogs.

They just plain suck.  They're equal opportunity vacuum generators.  I've seen ludicrous calls go for and against every team in this league.

Clarity my good man.... get you some.

I agree with you.  I've actually seen Arkansas on the beneficiary side.   Maybe not as blatant but I remember getting a bang -  bang call on Bama's defender on 4th down on our final drive, when we behind, in Y2K.  Even in slow motion it was difficult to see if the Bama DB got there early.

One has to wonder, however, if there isn't some subliminal darn going on against BP by these officials.  Two blatant game changing calls against the same team in back to back weeks?  I'm not ready to raise it all the way, but the red flag is moved half way up the flag pole. 
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FS Hog

Anyone that isn't old enough to remember the SWC years or too old to remember them, look up why pass interference is 15 yards instead of point of foul. (see SMU game) Look up Hotlz's comments about wanting only Ark refs and what the SWC response was.

Greyhands

Quote from: forrest city joe on October 25, 2008, 09:42:25 pm
And it's not just this calls tonight or last week.this has been a problem every since we have been in this sorry A--confrence. the sec refs seem to think we are some 3rd rate program not worthy of the likes of even the Olemiss and KY's of the world.that call on Crawford was BS. as was the call on ole miss last FG.i have been screaming about this for years.it's time to try and get in the Big 12.we can not let the sec force us into being a 3rd rate program. notice how we cant get any calls when it's close and the game is on the line? im sick of it. the hell with the sec.
Ok i usually agree with almost everything you say Joe BUT. We as a team shouldnt put ourselves in the position where the refs could take away a win from us with a bad call. Im sure BP would say the same thign as ive heard this over and over from coaches.

Greyhands

PolishPigPower

Quote from: FS Hog on October 26, 2008, 10:25:41 am
Anyone that isn't old enough to remember the SWC years or too old to remember them, look up why pass interference is 15 yards instead of point of foul. (see SMU game) Look up Hotlz's comments about wanting only Ark refs and what the SWC response was.

Norton Herrera.  If memory serves, that was the ref's name.  I hope he grows bunions on top of the blisters that cover his private area.
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HoginIllinois

One of the biggest problems with  the officials is that most of them get SEC jobs not by their skill
and experience but by good ole boy, back slapping, glad handing, who you know, etc. I've known
a couple that made it to the SEC by ability and competence alone. However, they didn't last long
because the NFL snapped them up. Until the SEC gets a capable supervisor of officials and they
implement a good training and accountability program it's not going to improve.

kgr

I believe it is deeper.  The SEC office wants to keep Ole Piss in the bigger bowl hunt.  If there are too many 7-5 teams with everyone upsetting everyone else, then there will not be enough teams with stellar records to go into the bowls with big pay outs.  It is about the $.  Why did So. Car. get franked, at home, against LSWho?  They would rather LSWho have a better record.  They don't know what to do when LSWho and UGA play, so they call it pretty straight.
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UrsisHoribilis

I think that with BP we be the power in the West in two or three years
and one of the SEC leaders in four or five.

Michael Porkleone

Quote from: elksnort on October 25, 2008, 10:38:56 pm
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. I think this original post is rediculous.


I second your statement.
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jabohog

Quote from: Feralhog on October 26, 2008, 10:02:43 am
I agree with you.  I've actually seen Arkansas on the beneficiary side.   Maybe not as blatant but I remember getting a bang -  bang call on Bama's defender on 4th down on our final drive, when we behind, in Y2K.  Even in slow motion it was difficult to see if the Bama DB got there early.

One has to wonder, however, if there isn't some subliminal crap going on against BP by these officials.  Two blatant game changing calls against the same team in back to back weeks?  I'm not ready to raise it all the way, but the red flag is moved half way up the flag pole. 
The only thing that bothers me is that these calls don't usually go against teams in their own home stadium. That is the red flag half way up the pole for me. You expect to get this crap on the road.

jabohog

Quote from: McHogLovin on October 26, 2008, 12:23:16 am
Oh, Shuuut Upp!  Let's make Tulsa an annual game.  They may have a shot this year, but after that, it's over.  I'm as big of Malzahn fan as you're gonna find, but I'm not in the mood to see STUPID comments like this one.
Nobody on here gives a crap about your mood. Go buy some tampax and take a midol and get over it ass wipe. My comment was to just carry on the absurdity of the post it referenced, but I see that went way over your head.

ar_sports_talk

Quote from: forrest city joe on October 25, 2008, 09:42:25 pm
And it's not just this calls tonight or last week.this has been a problem every since we have been in this sorry A--confrence. the sec refs seem to think we are some 3rd rate program not worthy of the likes of even the Olemiss and KY's of the world.that call on Crawford was BS. as was the call on ole miss last FG.i have been screaming about this for years.it's time to try and get in the Big 12.we can not let the sec force us into being a 3rd rate program. notice how we cant get any calls when it's close and the game is on the line? im sick of it. the hell with the sec.

I have seen you write some crazy sh.t but this one takes the cake. 

What an idiotic post.
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TrumannRazorback24

Quote from: forrest city joe on October 25, 2008, 09:57:37 pm
And it's just not about tonight. i have said this for years.something is wrong with these refs when it comes to calling arkansas games.they made sure they got ole miss and KY wins tonight.SICKENING.
You're correct it has been happening for years. 

I remember in the Florida game in 2003 when we intercepted Chris Leak to get the ball back in the fourth quarter only to have a roughing the passer call.

And who could ever forget the basketball game against LSU (2005?) when we hit that three pointer at the buzzer only to have the refs go back and review it and call it a two where we were sent to overtime.  He was very visibly behind the three point line.

Those are just two instances in the past 5 years that have been horrible.  And that doesn't even begin to cover it all!

NWASooner

It's not just the SEC.  Officiating in all of college football has gone steadily downhill the past few years.

Welcome to the club.

Hog Waller

Wow!  A little too much blaming the refs going on here.  People, you need to face the facts this year...This is a bad team, a team of youngsters that doesn't know how to win!  Bad teams do not get the calls/breaks that are so often needed to win a game. And on a further note, and this isn't CBP's fault, it's a freshman class that isn't all that good...certainly not better than the freshman at Alabama (they are playing/starting as many if not more than Arkansas).

I am amused while reading some of the various post/replies this year.  It is one thing to be faithful and have hopes for your team, it is another to be blind to reality and start blaming everyone or anything for your failure.   

I watch the games and I don't look for or notice where the team is getting screwed, I see the mistakes.  But you know what else I see?  I see hope.  I see too many flashes of greatness (even in the Alabama game), that tells me that when CBP is able to get a couple of more recruiting classes under his belt....well, watch out SEC!

usnavyhogfan

gettin out of the sec is not the answer. soon i think we will be putting up so many
points we till take the ref out of the game so to speak. yeah you can call some
big plays back but not all. if we want respect we have to win in the best conference
in the land consistently, and i think we will...soon. just gotta have a little
patience
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Oliver

Quote from: NWASooner on October 27, 2008, 06:59:52 am
It's not just the SEC.  Officiating in all of college football has gone steadily downhill the past few years.

Welcome to the club.

True.  But I think the SEC has taken it to a new level this year with a ref actually leveling a blow to an offensive player.  And of course, no displinary action taken because by moving towards the player, squaring up, and then jumping with his shoulder first...he was trying to get out of the way of the player.

Theolesnort

Quote from: PolishPigPower on October 26, 2008, 11:24:13 am
Norton Herrera.  If memory serves, that was the ref's name.  I hope he grows bunions on top of the blisters that cover his private area.
No his name was Horace Nestra. The call he made was so blatantly biased and wrong that he lost his career over it. Sometimes justice does prevail.
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Cletus

October 27, 2008, 06:18:44 pm #98 Last Edit: October 27, 2008, 06:21:36 pm by The_Right_Reverend_Hawg
I believe that there is some favoritism in the SEC. Alabama and Florida are the "Golden Boys" of the conference. Along with Arkansas, I've seen some bias against LSU and SC. They also seem to favor individuals. I remember a game against Ole Miss a few years back. Anytime Eli Manning would scramble, they would give him at least a yard on the spot to make it a 1st.
See, what had happened was........

1964

Want to fix this crap?  Review the yellow flags, too.  If there's a "mistake" like the BS PI call, it can be overturned and a fair game can go on.
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