Scotty Thurman question?

[nwahogfan1]

I want to be excited and positive but at the same time I am nervous and skeptical.  What experience at college coaching has Coach Thurman done? What recruiting has he done? what players has he recruited in the past?  Who has he signed?

[WilsonHog]

The hiring of an assistant coach, no matter who it is, will not move the needle up or down for me.

[Ironhawg]

I see what Wilson is saying, but I just don't have a feeling one way or the other on this hire.  I know nothing about what coach Z brought to the table.  Scotty Thurman, as far as coaching and recruiting, is an unknown too.  I guess we hang on and see what happens.

[gmarv]

because I like scotty I will be open to the hope that he will be a great assistant.

[Kevin]

No

[WilsonHog]

I see what Wilson is saying, but I just don't have a feeling one way or the other on this hire.  I know nothing about what coach Z brought to the table.  Scotty Thurman, as far as coaching and recruiting, is an unknown too.  I guess we hang on and see what happens.

I left out a very important word: "not."

I won't feel better or worse about the program until the NCAA Tournament bids are handed out next March. Until then, I'm like Switzerland.

[ShadowHawg]

Is this really a Hog forum?

Openly trashing a hog legend isn't even off limits?

What has Thurman done that he shouldn't at least get some time to prove himself BEFORE the negativity begins?

I can see the folks that wanted a proven guy hired and didn't get it being upset. I get it.

I don't get the projections of failure being slung at Thurman himself when he has accomplished more than 99% of the people in this country in terms of achievement and still loves this state and University.

[ShadowHawg]

I left out a very important word: "not."

I won't feel better or worse about the program until the NCAA Tournament bids are handed out next March. Until then, I'm like Switzerland.

[mbgrulz]

I agree, but it does seem like some schools have that 1 assistant who everybody secretly wants, but openly hates on for being dirty because they get players left and right.

A big part of me wanted that guy, and for that I think you could get excited.

[FineAsSwine]

Is this really a Hog forum?

Openly trashing a hog legend isn't even off limits?

What has Thurman done that he shouldn't at least get some time to prove himself BEFORE the negativity begins?

I can see the folks that wanted a proven guy hired and didn't get it being upset. I get it.

I don't get the projections of failure being slung at Thurman himself when he has accomplished more than 99% of the people in this country in terms of achievement and still loves this state and University.

[HawgAdvocate]

Openly trashing a hog legend isn't even off limits?

Scotty is not being trashed.

[Kevin]

separate scotty the person & legendary player from him as a coach

[26.2Hog]

I want to be excited and positive but at the same time I am nervous and skeptical.  What experience at college coaching has Coach Thurman done? What recruiting has he done? what players has he recruited in the past?  Who has he signed?

To bluntly answer your questions, Scotty has zero collegiate coaching experience, and zero recruiting experience.

He does appear to be a fine young man with outstanding character and values in the way he lives his life and conducts himself both in private and in public. I haven't seen anyone posting here that doesn't wish him the best, and I certainly join those ranks. But I wonder if any other candidates with a resume of successful recruiting were considered and interviewed. If so, who were they, and if not, why not?

[Pork Twain]

We need ALL new assistants and then maybe real change will be made in recruiting and retention.  I would also prefer that those new assistants were hired by a new HC.

[Atlhogfan1]

We need ALL new assistants and then maybe real change will be made in recruiting and retention.  I would also prefer that those new assistants were hired by a new HC.

Just don't think we can expect that with Mike.  I think he keeps an inner circle for reasons. 

[Sivad]

Just don't think we can expect that with Mike.  I think he keeps an inner circle for reasons. 

ala Houston Dale Nutt

[Dr. Starcs]

People comparing cma to hdn should really be ignored.

They need to read Doug's post from last week on motho.

[Justifiable Hogicide]

People comparing cma to hdn should really be ignored.

It's getting tougher to ignore the similarities.

[Razorbackers]

If you think that Scotty will be an improvement in recruiting, that's fine. I just ask for any reason other than "1994" or "he'll connect with the players".

He's 41 years old and won a ring 22 years ago. None of the kids he's recruiting were alive when he was playing. In fact, the biggest advice he can offer a player is why going pro early isn't recommended.

I'm certain that he could prove me wrong. But CMA and the players just lost a great fundamentals/system coach in Zimmerman, with 14 years of expierence in Anderson's system. Look at the development of some of the players, particularly guards, just at UA, not even at Mizzou or UAB, and you'll see why I'm skeptical about Scotty. Zimm helped develop those players.

And while he wasn't out there recruiting much, he was a great sidelines/practice coach. And if you're going to replace a guy like that with someone, I'd expect that someone to have something to bring to the table other than nostalgia for the fans who aren't being recruited anyway.

Sure, Scotty could maybe go visit a kid in Little Rock and get more traction than some other folks because of who he is, but how many kids in Little Rock, or Arkansas for that matter, are we recruiting every year? Scotty ain't nothin in Missouri, or Florida, and Cali, or insert other place.

Hope I'm wrong, but I really REALLY don't like this move.

[hogsanity]

People comparing cma to hdn should really be ignored.

They need to read Doug's post from last week on motho.

The comparisons to some of the things HDN did away from the game are off base, but his handling of coaches, keeping a close inner circle, getting his team up for big games, but losing games he should not, stubbornly sticking to things that were not working, things like that, are very similar to Mike.

[ShadowHawg]

If you think that Scotty will be an improvement in recruiting, that's fine. I just ask for any reason other than "1994" or "he'll connect with the players".

He's 41 years old and won a ring 22 years ago. None of the kids he's recruiting were alive when he was playing. In fact, the biggest advice he can offer a player is why going pro early isn't recommended.

I'm certain that he could prove me wrong. But CMA and the players just lost a great fundamentals/system coach in Zimmerman, with 14 years of expierence in Anderson's system. Look at the development of some of the players, particularly guards, just at UA, not even at Mizzou or UAB, and you'll see why I'm skeptical about Scotty. Zimm helped develop those players.

And while he wasn't out there recruiting much, he was a great sidelines/practice coach. And if you're going to replace a guy like that with someone, I'd expect that someone to have something to bring to the table other than nostalgia for the fans who aren't being recruited anyway.

Sure, Scotty could maybe go visit a kid in Little Rock and get more traction than some other folks because of who he is, but how many kids in Little Rock, or Arkansas for that matter, are we recruiting every year? Scotty ain't nothin in Missouri, or Florida, and Cali, or insert other place.

Hope I'm wrong, but I really REALLY don't like this move.

Pretty sure he has kids these guys' age. It helps a lot.

[ShadowHawg]

The comparisons to some of the things HDN did away from the game are off base, but his handling of coaches, keeping a close inner circle, getting his team up for big games, but losing games he should not, stubbornly sticking to things that were not working, things like that, are very similar to Mike.

Actually Nutt was known for being DISLOYAL to all but a very few of his coaches.

Which basketball coach here do you think DIDN'T have a close inner circle. I have been close to the program in the past. The size of the basketball team lends itself to having a much smaller circle. So how is MA doing things differently from the other staffs before him?

All coaches lose games they shouldn't. Really? Coach K has presided over 3 of the top 11 most stunning losses of the last 20 years according to some and that doesn't include his losses to VCU and Lehigh. Again, because basketball plays nearly 3 times as many games as football, the comparison is apples to oranges.

You are reaching here to say the least.

[Kevin]

Actually Nutt was known for being DISLOYAL to all but a very few of his coaches.

Which basketball coach here do you think DIDN'T have a close inner circle. I have been close to the program in the past. The size of the basketball team lends itself to having a much smaller circle. So how is MA doing things differently from the other staffs before him?

All coaches lose games they shouldn't. Really? Coach K has presided over 3 of the top 11 most stunning losses of the last 20 years according to some and that doesn't include his losses to VCU and Lehigh. Again, because basketball plays nearly 3 times as many games as football, the comparison is apples to oranges.

You are reaching here to say the least.

how many ncaa championship banners has cma won compared to coach k?