Kingsley

[mbgrulz]

I think we can count him as one of the 13 next year.

He has 0 shot at the NBA.

[root_hawg]

6-10 player who can block shots and rebound will always have a shot in the NBA

[lc480]

He seems to have trouble against the bigger psychical player , because of his slight built he gets pushed out of position .

[-Blu]

I think we can count him as one of the 13 next year.

He has 0 shot at the NBA.

You never know.  I was thinking it was 0 chance as well.  But, he's started to move onto some mock boards in the last few days.

He's currently #52 on nbadraft.net big board and #57 on Chad Fords big board.  And as we seen with Powell, Young, and Qualls, just because it makes all the sense in the world to return doesn't mean they will do it.  I do think he'll end up staying, but I wouldn't say there's 0 chance.

[hobhog]

If he improves half of what he did this past off season he will be fun to watch and could take us on his shoulders. Add Hannahs and a couple of other guards stepping up and I'll be excited.

MA needs that to happen and I think it can.

[mbgrulz]

You never know.  I was thinking it was 0 chance as well.  But, he's started to move onto some mock boards in the last few days.

He's currently #52 on nbadraft.net big board and #57 on Chad Fords big board.  And as we seen with Powell, Young, and Qualls, just because it makes all the sense in the world to return doesn't mean they will do it.  I do think he'll end up staying, but I wouldn't say there's 0 chance.

If any scouts watched him today, they had to be thinking the guy can't play. He looked AWFUL.

[Danny J]

You never know.  I was thinking it was 0 chance as well.  But, he's started to move onto some mock boards in the last few days.

He's currently #52 on nbadraft.net big board and #57 on Chad Fords big board.  And as we seen with Powell, Young, and Qualls, just because it makes all the sense in the world to return doesn't mean they will do it.  I do think he'll end up staying, but I wouldn't say there's 0 chance.

Our coach needs to make sure he comes back....his job depends on it. We HAVE to have his presence down low next year if we have any shot at the dance. Kingsley going pro would mean that CMA is now 0-4 keeping guys that are borderline NBA players. You just can't keep letting those guys go....full court press to keep him one more year. 

[root_hawg]

10 points and 14 boards with a block ... not terrible but not great

[-Blu]

If any scouts watched him today, they had to be thinking the guy can't play. He looked AWFUL.

Scouts aren't going to overreact to one game.  They look at the entire body of work.  Everybody has bad games. 

Our coach needs to make sure he comes back....his job depends on it. We HAVE to have his presence down low next year if we have any shot at the dance. Kingsley going pro would mean that CMA is now 0-4 keeping guys that are borderline NBA players. You just can't keep letting those guys go....full court press to keep him one more year. 

I agree with you on that.  CMA has got to get the borderline guys to stay.  Kingsley may be the most important yet. 

[Hawg Red]

6-10 player who can block shots and rebound will always have a shot in the NBA

How well does he rebound and block shots against like-sized or bigger players, though? I'd say he struggled there this season. Imagine trying to have that be your calling card in the NBA, where he would be among the league's smallest centers. I'd say he has a long way to go before he has a place in the NBA, but I also don't think that precludes him from going pro, either.

[Atlhogfan1]

Our coach needs to make sure he comes back....his job depends on it. We HAVE to have his presence down low next year if we have any shot at the dance. Kingsley going pro would mean that CMA is now 0-4 keeping guys that are borderline NBA players. You just can't keep letting those guys go....full court press to keep him one more year.

He should have let Portis go and counted on him leaving. 

[mbgrulz]

6-10 player who can block shots and rebound will always have a shot in the NBA

If he's 6'10" I'll be shocked. Willie Cauley-Stein measured 6'11". I think Moses' problem is that he's a 6'8" center with a skinny build.

[Danny J]

He should have let Portis go and counted on him leaving.

Yeah....I wasn't counting Portis. I was talking about borderline NBA players that probably weren't going to play a game in the NBA(not D league) and that includes Powell, BJ, Qualls and now Moses.

I agree with Blu.....definitely need Moses more than any of those other guys. Having Qualls this year and we would have likely made the NIT but that was about it. We have a chance at the dance next year but Kingsley is a must although that takes into account all the incoming players making it to campus.

[Danny J]

If he's 6'10" I'll be shocked. Willie Cauley-Stein measured 6'11". I think Moses' problem is that he's a 6'8" center with a skinny build.

Yeah....he is not 6'10" even in shoes. I think he is closer to 9 in shoes.

[-Blu]

If he's 6'10" I'll be shocked. Willie Cauley-Stein measured 6'11". I think Moses' problem is that he's a 6'8" center with a skinny build.

Yea, I don't usually do the heights debate, because how can you really tell from TV, but Moses is more like 6'9, if everyone else heights are accurate.  I know Portis use to look at least a couple inches taller than him.

[mbgrulz]

10 points and 14 boards with a block ... not terrible but not great

Did you watch? Make no mistake, he absolutely was awful.

I mean that in relationship to the standard that he has set for his play.

[root_hawg]

yes I watched, the whole team cept one looked bad but even on a game we call awful, he still had a double double.

[-Blu]

I agree with Blu.....definitely need Moses more than any of those other guys. Having Qualls this year and we would have likely made the NIT but that was about it. We have a chance at the dance next year but Kingsley is a must although that takes into account all the incoming players making it to campus.

Yea, Kingsley is without a doubt the most important recruit in this 2016 class.  He's a first team all SEC caliber player next year.  You have to keep those type of guys.  It would be different if he was projected as a first rounder or had that potential to have some good workouts and work himself there, but that's not the case.  With good workouts he can be a late second rounder.  You have to get those type of guys to return, no excuses on that.

[Hawg Red]

Moses was last measured in 2012 at 6'9.5 in shoes. Puts him right at 6'8 w/o shoes, but that was 4 years ago.

[Atlhogfan1]

Moses left a lot of points on the court today.  FT line and some close opportunities.  Other Hogs did as well.  Fl challenged shots for the most part although Egbunu did hang back a few times protecting that hand.  Fl got the advantage late in the first half when Egbunu got them some second chance opportunities.  Helped lead to the 6 pt lead and some momentum. 

[colavito]

Scott Hastings made a pretty good living for a very long time in the NBA going up against the bigs in practices.  I expect pretty much the same for Kingsley.  He could also make good money overseas.  He should take whatever opportunity presents itself.  With or without Moses, we're looking at basically the same results next season.

[mbgrulz]

Scott Hastings made a pretty good living for a very long time in the NBA going up against the bigs in practices.  I expect pretty much the same for Kingsley.  He could also make good money overseas.  He should take whatever opportunity presents itself.  With or without Moses, we're looking at basically the same results next season.

We're adding 7 new players...Your last sentance makes no sense.

[root_hawg]

Thought it was 5 .. who am I missing

[LRHawg]

I just hope his layups get better next year.

[rljjr]

I love Kingsley, but he had an off day when we needed him. He got dominated by a guy with one serviceable hand. He needs to come back, polish his game and then go to the NBA. I want him to succeed at the highest level and right now I think he'd end up in some Euro-league.

[HawgAdvocate]

Thought it was 5 .. who am I missing

Bailey
Jones
3 JUCOs
Thomas
+1 more big, ideally

[The_Iceman]

Moses is Jarvis Varnado 2.0 in terms of SEC vs. NBA.

[Atlhogfan1]

Bailey
Jones
3 JUCOs
Thomas
+1 more big, ideally

How many players will that make who have come into the program in 6 seasons? 

[gmarv]

Scott Hastings made a pretty good living for a very long time in the NBA going up against the bigs in practices.  I expect pretty much the same for Kingsley.  He could also make good money overseas.  He should take whatever opportunity presents itself.  With or without Moses, we're looking at basically the same results next season.

with or with out moses we will be better next year.with him we could be much better thou.

[Danny J]

How many players will that make who have come into the program in 6 seasons?

A lot....transfers in and out every year.

[HawgAdvocate]

How many players will that make who have come into the program in 6 seasons? 

2011-12 - Pel's class
Freshman - BJ Young, Kye Madden, Hunter Mickelson, Devonta Abron

2012-13
Freshman - Jacorey Williams, Anthlon Bell, Michael Qualls, Dee Wagner
Transfer - Fred Gulley
JUCO - Coty Clarke

2013-14
Freshman - Bobby Portis, Moses Kingsley, Manny Watkins
Transfer - Alandise Harris

2014-15
Freshman - Anton Beard, Nick Babb, Trey Thompson
Transfer - Keaton Miles
JUCO - Jabril Durham

2015-16
Freshman - Jimmy Whitt, Doobie Jenkins
Transfer - Willy Kouassi, Dusty Hannahs

[Atlhogfan1]

Not including Pel's last class:

2012-13
Freshman - Jacorey Williams, Anthlon Bell, Michael Qualls, Dee Wagner
Transfer - Fred Gulley
JUCO - Coty Clarke

2013-14
Freshman - Bobby Portis, Moses Kingsley, Manny Watkins
Transfer - Alandise Harris

2014-15
Freshman - Anton Beard, Nick Babb, Trey Thompson
Transfer - Keaton Miles
JUCO - Jabril Durham

2015-16
Freshman - Jimmy Whitt, Doobie Jenkins
Transfer - Willy Kouassi, Dusty Hannahs

19 in 4 plus 6-7 this next season it looks like  - averaging about 5 a year

[HawgAdvocate]

19 in 4 plus 6-7 this next season it looks like  - averaging about 5 a year

I went ahead and added Pel's class, since Mike chose to keep them all and not use the remaining two scholarships that spring/summer.

[Porked Tongue]

He won't be here.

Not saying he's NBA bound or a lottery pick, but look for him to go overseas at the minimum.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

He won't be here.

Not saying he's NBA bound or a lottery pick, but look for him to go overseas at the minimum.

That would mean MA's seat just got a lot hotter

[hogwood]

If he's 6'10" I'll be shocked. Willie Cauley-Stein measured 6'11". I think Moses' problem is that he's a 6'8" center with a skinny build.

He's been measured at 6'9.8". So is Trey.

[HawgAdvocate]

He won't be here.

Not saying he's NBA bound or a lottery pick, but look for him to go overseas at the minimum.

Damn. I'm assuming his family isn't exactly living the good life over in Nigeria. His family lives among all the bombing taking place over there. (http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/the-story-of-moses-kingsley/)

The staff is certainly targeting another big man. They should know better than to get caught with their pants down, three out of the last four years (Portis/Kapita last year and BJYoung/Desmond Lee two years prior).

The question is, when will Moses graduate?

[Letsroll1200]

He won't be here.

Not saying he's NBA bound or a lottery pick, but look for him to go overseas at the minimum.

Moses most likely will be back. If the NBA is the goal he returns. Playing overseas is not easy and it's a serious grind.

[jjdlc]

Damn. I'm assuming his family isn't exactly living the good life over in Nigeria.

The staff is certainly targeting another big man. They should know better than to get caught with their pants down, three out of the last four years (Portis/Kapita last year and BJYoung/Desmond Lee two years prior).

Judging by the fact that they are very actively pursuing two big men, even when we technically have no scholarships, I would say they are determined not to get caught in the same situation.  That said, I still think Kingsley comes back.  If he stays, and we get both of those big men, the numbers will work themselves out.

[Atlhogfan1]

Moses most likely will be back. If the NBA is the goal he returns. Playing overseas is not easy and it's a serious grind.

I don't think Porked is posting that based on what he should do. 

[poloprince]

He will be back because he doesn't play well enough through contact and he doesn't finish at the rim well enough to make that leap.

[Hawg Red]

He won't be here.

Not saying he's NBA bound or a lottery pick, but look for him to go overseas at the minimum.

This is one of those times where I hope you're right, but I'm concerned there is something to this with how hard they're going after both of those big men from Scotland Prep. It seems like they would take both of them, which means someone has to move on. If Jenkins is redshirting......that means we're losing someone before their time. Yikes.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

I don't think Porked is posting that based on what he should do. 

This. I believe he made a similar comment last year regarding Portis and Qualls

[Hawg Red]

This. I believe he made a similar comment last year regarding Portis and Qualls

He did. He was very accurate on that situation.

[bighog2255]

He won't be here.

Not saying he's NBA bound or a lottery pick, but look for him to go overseas at the minimum.

Another blow to the program if this turns out to be true. This poster has more credibility than anyone else saying he "will be back".

Could possibly be why assistants are trying to recruit a few 6'10" foreign kids, per RD

[azhog10]

Kingsley isn't going to be drafted. However, overseas is always an option. That's a decision he has to make for him and his family. I think he could see a much bigger payday if he were to stay. But he has to do what he has to do for his family and it looks as though CMA is at least trying to get on top of things quicker than last season. It would be huge if he stayed but if he doesn't I think everyone understands the decision isn't just about him specifically. It's much deeply routed than that.

[-Blu]

This is one of those times where I hope you're right, but I'm concerned there is something to this with how hard they're going after both of those big men from Scotland Prep. It seems like they would take both of them, which means someone has to move on. If Jenkins is redshirting......that means we're losing someone before their time. Yikes.

I wouldn't read too much into that, just yet.  Neither have an offer.  RD even said in the comments on the article they are recruiting both of them hoping to land 1. 

And just from following the recruitment and putting stuff together looks like Watkins went to visit Dembele, and then noticed Zecevic on the visit, because there were no reports of us recruiting him until after he came back from the visit.  Demebele looks like he would be the harder guy to land he's got a pretty solid offer list, Zecevic could be the back-up plan, his offer list only consist of mid-majors right now.

I would assume they are of the mindset right now, if both want to come, that will be a good problem to have and they'll deal with it if it happens.  But, I'd be shocked if they landed both. 

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Portis isn't going to be drafted.

Lol, Portis did get drafted. But clearly you mean Moses

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

He did. He was very accurate on that situation.

Yes he was. And if he is spot on about this one, I'm not sure MA can survive.

I truly believe we are a hands down NCAAt team next year with Moses, Hannah's and I expect Barford to be major impact player. However, take Moses out of that....... and it might get so bad Blu may start leading the time for a change chants.

[Hoggish1]

Our coach needs to make sure he comes back....his job depends on it. We HAVE to have his presence down low next year if we have any shot at the dance. Kingsley going pro would mean that CMA is now 0-4 keeping guys that are borderline NBA players. You just can't keep letting those guys go....full court press to keep him one more year. 

True.  Bulk Moses up, make him much stronger and make sure he comes back or it's curtains for Mike...

Bulk him up and make him stronger and it means, with the way he continues to improve that he will go very high in next year's draft—a win win form both parties.