Bielema in the SEC by the numbers

[luke hawg]

Following information covers 2013-2016 signing classes for SEC schools. The number of players that failed to complete their eligibility at that school. Failures were counted for: Non-qualifiers, players getting dismissed, failing school, transfers, just quit playing football or unknown reasons. If players left school early for NFL, I do not count them as failing to complete eligibility. Last updated 11/10/2016. Followed by 247 composite recruiting ranking, NFL draft picks last 5 years and conference record last 3 years.



SEC Teams

Alabama
2016 Signed 24 - 02 (08%)
2015 Signed 24 - 06 (25%)
2014 Signed 26 - 01 (04%)
2013 Signed 25 - 11 (44%)
Avg recruiting ranking 1
Draft picks 39
22-2

Arkansas
2016 Signed 21 - 00 (00%)
2015 Signed 23 - 02 (09%)
2014 Signed 24 - 05 (21%)
2013 Signed 23 - 07 (30%)
Avg recruiting ranking 25.6
Draft picks 22
10-14

Auburn
2016 Signed 21 - 02 (10%)
2015 Signed 27 - 03 (12%)
2014 Signed 23 - 08 (35%)
2013 Signed 23 - 06 (26%)
Avg recruiting ranking 8.4
Draft picks 14
11-13

Florida
2016 Signed 25 - 00 (00%)
2015 Signed 21 - 02 (10%)
2014 Signed 24 - 10 (42%)
2013 Signed 29 - 08 (28%)
Avg recruiting ranking 11.2
Draft picks 29
17-7

Georgia
2016 Signed 20 - 01 (05%)
2015 Signed 29 - 04 (14%)
2014 Signed 21 - 07 (33%)
2013 Signed 33 - 15 (45%)
Avg recruiting ranking 7.0
Draft picks 27
15-9

Kentucky
2016 Signed 25 - 00 (00%)
2015 Signed 21 - 04 (19%)
2014 Signed 28 - 09 (32%)
2013 Signed 23 - 05 (22%)
Avg recruiting ranking 31.4
Draft picks 7
8-16

LSU
2016 Signed 23 - 00 (00%)
2015 Signed 25 - 04 (16%)
2014 Signed 23 - 06 (26%)
2013 Signed 26 - 08 (31%)
Avg recruiting ranking 4.8
Draft picks 32
14-10

Ole Miss
2016 Signed 24 - 02 (08%)
2015 Signed 22 - 02 (09%)
2014 Signed 25 - 05 (20%)
2013 Signed 27 - 12 (41%)
Avg recruiting ranking 15.2
Draft picks 8
13-11

Mississippi St
2016 Signed 18 - 01 (06%)
2015 Signed 28 - 02 (07%)
2014 Signed 23 - 03 (13%)
2013 Signed 21 - 10 (48%)
Avg recruiting ranking 26.6
Draft picks 15
13-11

Missouri
2016 Signed 20 - 02 (10%)
2015 Signed 23 - 03 (13%)
2014 Signed 28 - 08 (29%)
2013 Signed 21 - 10 (48%)
Avg recruiting ranking 42.0
Draft picks 15
10-14

South Carolina
2016 Signed 26 - 03 (12%)
2015 Signed 29 - 06 (21%)
2014 Signed 21 - 08 (38%)
2013 Signed 21 - 11 (52%)
Avg recruiting ranking 21.0
Draft picks 22
7-17

Tennessee
2016 Signed 21 - 01 (05%)
2015 Signed 30 - 07 (35%)
2014 Signed 32 - 12 (38%)
2013 Signed 23 - 10 (43%)
Avg recruiting ranking 13.2
Draft picks 8
12-12

Texas A&M
2016 Signed 21 - 01 (05%)
2015 Signed 25 - 03 (12%)
2014 Signed 21 - 05 (24%)
2013 Signed 32 - 20 (63%)
Avg recruiting ranking 11.0
Draft picks 17
11-13

Vanderbilt
2016 Signed 20 - 00 (00%)
2015 Signed 18 - 00 (00%)
2014 Signed 22 - 04 (18%)
2013 Signed 26 - 09 (35%)
Avg recruiting ranking 47.2
Draft picks 8
5-19

[Al Boarland]

Thanks for putting this together. What are we looking for here?

[bennyl08]

To add to that, here's the # of players each team has lost per year on average

Bama: 2.0
Ark: 1.4
Aub: 1.9
Fla: 2.0*
UGA: 2.7*
Kent: 1.8
LSU: 1.8*
OM: 2.1
MSU: 1.6
Mizz: 2.3
SC: 2.8*
Tenn: 3.0
aTm: 2.9
Vandy: 1.3

*Team has undergone a coaching change which often leads to unusually high transfers.

Vandy leads the SEC with losing only 1.3 players per year with us right behind with 1.4.

[Al Boarland]

To add to that, here's the # of players each team has lost per year on average

Bama: 2.0
Ark: 1.4
Aub: 1.9
Fla: 2.0*
UGA: 2.7*
Kent: 1.8
LSU: 1.8*
OM: 2.1
MSU: 1.6
Mizz: 2.3
SC: 2.8*
Tenn: 3.0
aTm: 2.9
Vandy: 1.3

*Team has undergone a coaching change which often leads to unusually high transfers.

Vandy leads the SEC with losing only 1.3 players per year with us right behind with 1.4.

Are we looking for a correlation?

[bennyl08]

Are we looking for a correlation?

If you look, you'll find no correlation. SC has had high losses and poor results the last 4 years. UGA has had high losses and overall pretty good results the last 4 years. Tenner and Aggies have had high losses and medium results over the last 4 years. LSU and Kent have the same loss rate, but are on opposite sides of the spectrum.

All this shows is the amount of depth that a school is building overall. Bama is a bit on the higher side because 4*'s that are 4th on the depth chart will transfer out. We've seen similar things with our RB's and QB's. From 2012-2014, we had an anomalously high departure do to quality players like Hines, Holmes, Peters, and Turner leave due to not fitting the new team after a coaching change. I assume that is partly to blame for SC's high number. Tenner, otoh, has lost a lot of their players due to illegal activities.

So, it's a good metric for how many players you've lost, but a bad metric for how good a team may or may not be or even explaining why players have left.

[luke hawg]

I think there is some interesting points that can be made from the data.

[Al Boarland]

I think there is some interesting points that can be made from the data.

Point them out. I'd like to know. I'm not seeing it.

[tophawg19]

considering our recruiting ranking compared to the others , we have done a good job getting them drafted . well above a bunch of teams with higher rated classes , Also our Retention rate is better with the ones we do get.

[Al Boarland]

considering our recruiting ranking compared to the others , we have done a good job getting them drafted . well above a bunch of teams with higher rated classes , Also our Retention rate is better with the ones we do get.

I can agree with that. At the same time it would point to not maximizing the talent.

[Bebop]

I can agree with that. At the same time it would point to not maximizing the talent.

This also points out how much we have underachieved.

[luke hawg]

Point them out. I'd like to know. I'm not seeing it.

BIelema is a good recruiter, phenomenon at building a program and developing players but game management has been lacking.
Sumlin is a great recruiter and really not great at anything else.

[tophawg19]

I can agree with that. At the same time it would point to not maximizing the talent.

actually it says we are doing a lot with our talent just need more of them. same as what we've seen on the field with LSU , ole miss and florida this year. our first string players are very good but we get killed because we need depth . when you can't recruit the best players , you have to take time and build what you do get . A red shirt year can do a lot for improving kids from small schools who have never had quality time in the weight room and 1 on 1 coaching in high school

[Al Boarland]

actually it says we are doing a lot with our talent just need more of them. same as what we've seen on the field with LSU , ole miss and florida this year. our first string players are very good but we get killed because we need depth . when you can't recruit the best players , you have to take time and build what you do get . A red shirt year can do a lot for improving kids from small schools who have never had quality time in the weight room and 1 on 1 coaching in high school

Just my opinion, but the whole development theory has come a gone. I'm looking at the 2017 season with skepticism and after that we know where this thing is going.

[luke hawg]

Just my opinion, but the whole development theory has come a gone. I'm looking at the 2017 season with skepticism and after that we know where this thing is going.

The whole development theory has come and gone before year 5 the maximal time a player has to be developed. MAkes sense

[gchamblee]

The whole development theory has come and gone before year 5 the maximal time a player has to be developed. MAkes sense

He thinks you only have to mow your lawn once