Jucos Returning

[Hawg Red]

Nope, he could have gone straight out of high school. Your point being...

His point, very clearly, is that the culture was very different then. NBA teams were not investing nearly as heavily into younger players. The mid '90s were the final years of the NBA preferring upperclassmen. Corliss could have entered the NBA out of high school. So could have Jordan, Barkley, Ewing, etc. but the fact still remains that there was a pretty big gap between HS seniors being drafted when Garnett was drafted in 1995. The times were different. That's the point. Garnett and Kobe changed things.

[HamIAm]

When asked directly Macon replied "no comment". I expect both to stay but you never know who is giving these kids advice and whether or not they will listen to the proper advice.

Macon also said, paraphrasing, "why are you asking me this?  We just finished a tough loss and you are wanting comments on that?"

In other words Macon has been focused on the season.  He hasn't been spending a lot of time on what he will do next year, but the press wanted a statement right then.  That's not a fair question to Macon.

[phadedhawg]

If they weren't anywhere near good enough to leave, then there definitely wouldn't be this much discussion going on about it all.

Maybe...but not necessarily.  Arkansas has a history of losing player eligibility when the wrong player leaves school at the wrong time.  Heck it probably happens to all schools but there is a long list of kids who played for us and left too soon and didn't make it to the NBA.

I think our fan base just kinda expects it to happen now.

[hogcard1964]

https://twitter.com/jbarford1/status/843891829355495424

Please tell me he really didn't write that?

[FineAsSwine]

Please tell me he really didn't write that?

A possible interpretation could be that he's saying "we gone", as in, from the tournament. The "be back" part is a akin to a note posted on a closed business notifying you of an unexpected departure from which they will return soon. (to the tournament in this case). 

I think the "We Hogs" is self explanatory.

[hogcard1964]

A possible interpretation could be that he's saying "we gone", as in, from the tournament. The "be back" part is a akin to a note posted on a closed business notifying you of an unexpected departure from which they will return soon. (to the tournament in this case). 

I think the "We Hogs" is self explanatory.

Conjugation.

[Youngsta71701]

If they weren't anywhere near good enough to leave, then there definitely wouldn't be this much discussion going on about it all.

It's an Arkansas and hogville thing. That's all.

[Youngsta71701]

His point, very clearly, is that the culture was very different then. NBA teams were not investing nearly as heavily into younger players. The mid '90s were the final years of the NBA preferring upperclassmen. Corliss could have entered the NBA out of high school. So could have Jordan, Barkley, Ewing, etc. but the fact still remains that there was a pretty big gap between HS seniors being drafted when Garnett was drafted in 1995. The times were different. That's the point. Garnett and Kobe changed things.

No doubt it's a different time. More money involved. I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with staying in school and getting your degree or getting an extra year of seasoning if your not projected in the lottery or the 1st round of the upcoming draft. Or to be drafted at all. As a matter of fact it's the smart thing to do depending on your situation I guess.

[Fayettetopia]

It means "we are gonna" (We gon' be back).

[20gauge]

Isnt there supposed to be a semi pro league starting up in the US. Salaries starting in the low six figures?

[Temprees]

Maybe...but not necessarily.  Arkansas has a history of losing player eligibility when the wrong player leaves school at the wrong time.  Heck it probably happens to all schools but there is a long list of kids who played for us and left too soon and didn't make it to the NBA.

I think our fan base just kinda expects it to happen now.

I can think of Scotty Thurman, B.J. Young, Powell, Michael Qualls, and who else?

[ShadowHawg]

I can think of Scotty Thurman, B.J. Young, Powell, Michael Qualls, and who else?

Darnell Robinson, Olu Famutimi, Fortson

[phadedhawg]

I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness? 

[GuvHog]

Darnell Robinson, Olu Famutimi, Fortson

Darnell Robinson actually did play in the NBA for a while and Courtney Fortson knew he was headed over seas when he left Fayetteville.

[jry04]

Isnt there supposed to be a semi pro league starting up in the US. Salaries starting in the low six figures?

Yeah, until the former Hog running it was exposed for the fraud he is.

[PonderinHog]

I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness?

Foot speed, plus he was pigeon-toed. 

[rude1]

Darnell Robinson actually did play in the NBA for a while and Courtney Fortson knew he was headed over seas when he left Fayetteville.

WRONG AGAIN Guv. Darnell Robinson was drafted in the second round by the Dallas Mavericks, but he did NOT play in the NBA.....

[Pigasaurus]

I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness? 

Speed and not considered NBA level defense if I remember correctly. A lot was timing. If he and Corliss leave after winning NC, he gets drafted. 

[Breems]

Or you can get stuck playing for a team whose game checks bounce or they just don't pay you (this really happens). There are basketball teams/leagues all over the world but many leagues or teams are prettt sketchy.

Like Iraq where you hear gunfire and explosions next to the gym:

That video has some interesting stuff and also reinforces that Henderson is nuts.

[Hawg Red]

No doubt it's a different time. More money involved. I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with staying in school and getting your degree or getting an extra year or seasoning if your not projected in the lottery or the 1st round of the upcoming draft. Or to be drafted at all. As a matter of fact it's the smart thing to do depending on your situation I guess.

I don't think there is anything wrong with players like Qualls, Barford, etc. staying in school for 4 years because they're fringe NBA prospects, so being developed and prepared is to their advantage. For players like Portis, Robert Williams, etc. that are guaranteed first round picks, I think they really risk a lot of if they stay in school past their sophomore season. That's when scouts can tend to really start picking apart their games or building biases against them for whatever reason. So for a perceived "top talent," I think most of them should really be playing 2 years in college instead of just one. Everyone else probably needs to stay 3-4 years. I thought Portis got out at the right time, honestly. Qualls took a big risk and the worst case scenario happened for him. But some guys just don't like school, and that's a factor, too. I think B.J. Young and Fortson were like that.

[hogcard1964]

I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness?

+1000

I thought Thurman was a lock to get drafted within the first two rounds.  He had an excellent shot and I thought he would have been a great good sized shooting guard in the NBA.

[Hawg Red]

I was the most stunned by Scottie Thurman.  Granted I was younger and all these men were heroes in my eyes.  Watching how silky smooth he was on the court anybody wanna offer the reason he didn't get drafted?  Not enough muscle or quickness?

I was young, too, but I know that if he was truly good enough, he'd have caught on somewhere, somehow. He just wasn't a special player, as crazy as that may seem. And he couldn't come up with a way to differentiate himself, I suppose. He had a shot with the New Jersey Nets and nothing came of it. 6'6 SG who can hit the 3, there were/are a lot of guys that fit that bill vying for NBA spots. Gotta have more than that in your toolbox to get a real look.

[Youngsta71701]

Foot speed, plus he was pigeon-toed.

Foot speed was the main concern with him. The pigeon toed thing, not sure if that had an affect. Funny though...

[Youngsta71701]

I don't think there is anything wrong with players like Qualls, Barford, etc. staying in school for 4 years because they're fringe NBA prospects, so being developed and prepared is to their advantage. For players like Portis, Robert Williams, etc. that are guaranteed first round picks, I think they really risk a lot of if they stay in school past their sophomore season. That's when scouts can tend to really start picking apart their games or building biases against them for whatever reason. So for a perceived "top talent," I think most of them should really be playing 2 years in college instead of just one. Everyone else probably needs to stay 3-4 years. I thought Portis got out at the right time, honestly. Qualls took a big risk and the worst case scenario happened for him. But some guys just don't like school, and that's a factor, too. I think B.J. Young and Fortson were like that.

I agree with all of this. Especially the part in bold print. I know I didn't like school and was ready to go make my own money. But if I had to do it over again I would have gone to school. I tell my son that all the time. Sacrifice a few more years and make it as easy as you can on yourself.

[PonderinHog]

Foot speed was the main concern with him. The pigeon toed thing, not sure if that had an affect. Funny though...

I think it was actually mentioned back then.

[Hog_Swanson]

Yeah, until the former Hog running it was exposed for the fraud he is.

What former hog?

[azhog10]

What former hog?

Glendon Alexander? Or should I say Cerruti Brown......lol

[Youngsta71701]

I think it was actually mentioned back then.

What? That's crazy. He is pigeon toed though. Not sure how much it affects his ability to play basketball though.

[phadedhawg]

Foot speed, plus he was pigeon-toed. 

Now that you say that I do remember the pigeon toe issue being mentioned.  I just forgot. 

Maybe he didn't have the physical attributes to separate him from the pack but he just seemed to understand the game on a high level.  "The Shot" I knew it was going in. 

[Hog_Swanson]

Glendon Alexander? Or should I say Cerruti Brown......lol

Just googled him.  That's one shady MF'er.

[FineAsSwine]

Macon is going to return. He'll be the emotional leader next year. He has a lot of passion and the always shows, which I like. He sees opportunity next year, and I fully expect him to seize it. As others have said, it was a tough time to ask that question because he was still in the moment of the loss.

I think he will keep us in suspense for a while and then announce that he is coming back.

[HotlantaHog]

Macon is going to return. He'll be the emotional leader next year. He has a lot of passion and the always shows, which I like. He sees opportunity next year, and I fully expect him to seize it. As others have said, it was a tough time to ask that question because he was still in the moment of the loss.

Unless it is pretty obvious you should leave because your stock is super high -- like as SEC player of the year high -- your odds of making it in the NBA are not great. You improve your odds a good bit by waiting. You lose nothing unless you are a pretty odds-on lottery or first-round draft pick, which doesn't apply to anyone on Arkansas right now.

[Bogghawg]

It means "we are gonna" (We gon' be back).

And that means "We are going to be back" --(We're gonna be back) -- (We gone be back).

[ShadowHawg]

Darnell Robinson actually did play in the NBA for a while and Courtney Fortson knew he was headed over seas when he left Fayetteville.

Robinson was the last player drafted and never played in the NBA.

Fortson declared for the NBA draft and went undrafted. He didn't leave school to play overseas.

Do you know how to use Google?

[PonderinHog]

What? That's crazy. He is pigeon toed though. Not sure how much it affects his ability to play basketball though.

I think the two were related, foot speed and being pigeon toed.

[Mick Hogger]

Technically Fortson did make it to the NBA. He had a 10 day contract with the Clippers and then another with the Rockets and finished out the season on their roster.

[ShadowHawg]

Technically Fortson did make it to the NBA. He had a 10 day contract with the Clippers and then another with the Rockets and finished out the season on their roster.

Right, but that was years after he left. He was never drafted and he left for the NBA and not to go overseas like Guvmakesstuffuphog said.

[hobhog]

Staying n school has never been a bad idea. Just sayin.

[ChicoHog]

And that means "We are going to be back" --(We're gonna be back) -- (We gone be back).

Or he could have just said "We are coming back".  No translation necessary!  LOL!