Ole Miss

[LRrazorback]

I am always amused at how Arky fans often think we are much better than we are.  I would say we are equal to/less than Ole Miss and they have a better recruiting position.

Wrong Pork.  Do your research. We're better at virtually everything including wins and overall program history. MS has only 1-2 ten win seasons since the 60's

[The hog meister]

Uncommon is not just a catch phrase for CBB, it is what he bases his whole program on.

I agree totally. IMO if CB had a kid post photos like that after a recruiting visit the kid would not be uncommon and CB would see him in his rear view mirror.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Simply giving credit where it's due.  They're FAR from being the only dirty program in the SEC.

I didn't day they were the only team, but that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

We're taking about Arkansas fans calling a cheating program amazing.

[duckman]

I really doubt that.  I think cheating is going on at OM, no doubt.  But I also think Freeze is smart enough and moral enough to not let it go on under his nose.  It's far separated from him would be my bet.

And you would be wrong, also you are assuming Freeze values morals over winning, again wrong.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

I really doubt that.  I think cheating is going on at OM, no doubt.  But I also think Freeze is smart enough and moral enough to not let it go on under his nose.  It's far separated from him would be my bet.

So millions of people have seen the picture that was just posted on here...yet Ol Hugh has no clue what's going on...?

...riiiiiiiiiight........

[Pork Twain]

Wrong Pork.  Do your research. We're better at virtually everything including wins and overall program history. MS has only 1-2 ten win seasons since the 60's

Unlike many, you included, I actually did my research.  We do not blow them away in any category and they actually top us in the most important ones.

http://athlonsports.com/college-football/state-recruiting-where-do-best-players-come

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/9/11/4718442/college-football-state-texas-california-florida

[duckman]

Richard Davenport, what do you know about bagmen?  You talk to recruits constantly, ever hear mention of any funny business coming out of Oxford?

If I were RD I wouldn't touch that question with a ten foot pole....

[PorkRinds]

And you would be wrong, also you are assuming Freeze values morals over winning, again wrong.

You're guessing.  I'm sure you believe it, and it may very well be true.  But there's no proof that Freeze is allowing this to happen. 

[PorkRinds]

So millions of people have seen the picture that was just posted on here...yet Ol Hugh has no clue what's going on...?

...riiiiiiiiiight........

I'm sure they had fairly easy explanations for the picture.   I mean, you guys can claim things all day long, and I'll say again it's likely Ole Miss is cheating.  But to say they aren't ace recruiters is just wrong.  They're really good recruiters and it shows.  Adding the bag money is probably what's pushing them so high, but they'd be up there no matter what.  I heard someone say the other day coaches at Ole Miss spend 70% of their time recruiting.

[scruf]

Arkansas is 2-0 the last two years against OM. Let's give credit where credit is due.  :razorback:

I'm not the slightest bit jealous of a team that the Hogs will beat again next year in Fayetteville. 3-0 in 3 years will be nice. They can win all the recruiting championships they want but they still haven't even been to the SEC CG so whatever. Loser team. Loser fans. Loser coach. And I'm not talking about their record, which really isn't all that impressive.

How many times have they even won their division since the 60s? None. lol, but keep being jealous of a parallel program if that's what you're into. Knock yourself out. Like, really hard. Make it count.  :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[duckman]

You're guessing.  I'm sure you believe it, and it may very well be true.  But there's no proof that Freeze is allowing this to happen. 

I have eyes, I am not guessing...

[PorkRinds]

I have eyes, I am not guessing...

Everyone else has eyes too, you're guessing.  Unless you've personally seen a recruit take money from an Ole Miss coach, you're guessing.

[Pork Twain]

I have eyes, I am not guessing...

Unfortunately, as we saw with Cam and then Tenpenny, it takes a lot more than social media to get a team in any sort of trouble and this picture really does not "prove" anything.

[The_Hog_Father]

So... A recruit shows up to Ole Miss and stacks of hundreds, a diamond championship ring with his name on the box and all the hot, white trim he can take down just appears out of thin air and totally explainable as being something else. Well... OK. Sure.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

I'm sure they had fairly easy explanations for the picture.   I mean, you guys can claim things all day long, and I'll say again it's likely Ole Miss is cheating.  But to say they aren't ace recruiters is just wrong.  They're really good recruiters and it shows.  Adding the bag money is probably what's pushing them so high, but they'd be up there no matter what.  I heard someone say the other day coaches at Ole Miss spend 70% of their time recruiting.

There were pictures of Johnny Manziel autographing photos of himself with the guy who was selling them online. But...of course, there was an "easy explanation" for it all.

I'm just curious how you think these "Ace" recruiters would do without that bag of cash? They'd be Michael Smith. Sam Pitman (I know...I know). Barry Lunney.

The cheating MAKES the difference. Hence...I'm not impressed.

[scruf]

So... A recruit shows up to Ole Miss and stacks of hundreds, a diamond championship ring with his name on the box and all the hot, white trim he can take down just appears out of thin air and totally explainable as being something else. Well... OK. Sure.

[Pork Twain]

So... A recruit shows up to Ole Miss and stacks of hundreds, a diamond championship ring with his name on the box and all the hot, white trim he can take down just appears out of thin air and totally explainable as being something else. Well... OK. Sure.

Proof...  Social media is proof of little, even if we want it to be more.

[PorkRinds]

So... A recruit shows up to Ole Miss and stacks of hundreds, a diamond championship ring with his name on the box and all the hot, white trim he can take down just appears out of thin air and totally explainable as being something else. Well... OK. Sure.

All you really saw was $300, a championship ring from the school put in a box with his name on it, showing him he could win a ring there, and two white girls posing for a picture.  So you can interpret that however you want to.

[jackflash]

whatever Ole Miss is doing is working. They are very talented and going to be hard to beat this up coming season

[PorkRinds]

There were pictures of Johnny Manziel autographing photos of himself with the guy who was selling them online. But...of course, there was an "easy explanation" for it all.

I'm just curious how you think these "Ace" recruiters would do without that bag of cash? They'd be Michael Smith. Sam Pitman (I know...I know). Barry Lunney.

The cheating MAKES the difference. Hence...I'm not impressed.

So, specifically, which coaches do you know for a fact are giving recruits money?

[greenEGnHAWGS]

I'm really confused why you guys are so dead set on defending Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze. Do you guys know him personally or something and want to defend his honor?

[The_Hog_Father]

Proof...  Social media is proof of little, even if we want it to be more.

Yes. Pictures ARE proof. And context/timing/location is everything when connected to those images.

I like you and your posts. Former USAF TALCE myself... Before working in the Media/Features. Let's just agree to disagree.

[PorkRinds]

I'm really confused why you guys are so dead set on defending Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze. Do you guys know him personally or something and want to defend his honor?

I hate Ole Miss.  I don't like their Beaver looking coach.  But what they're doing is, indeed, impressive.  I for one can't prove they are cheating, but it looks like they are.  But cheating doesn't get you all the players they're getting, or everyone else would be getting them too.  They're doing something right, whether you want to admit it or not.

[ricepig]

whatever Ole Miss is doing is working. They are very talented and going to be hard to beat this up coming season

No different than the last two years, how'd that workout for them?

[The_Hog_Father]

All you really saw was $300, a championship ring from the school put in a box with his name on it, showing him he could win a ring there, and two white girls posing for a picture.  So you can interpret that however you want to.

Haha... There is more than $300 there but whatever.

You should get out of the recording studio and get that law degree. You would make a great defense attorney. And I mean that as a compliment.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

So, specifically, which coaches do you know for a fact are giving recruits money?

Seriously? While Treadwell is ON A VISIT TO OLE MI$$ he posts picures of a handful of hundreds and beautiful coeds hanging on him...and your go-to question is "Ok, so which coach handed him the money? If you don't know...then it didn't happen!"

C'mon PR...your better than that...

[PorkRinds]

Haha... There is more than $300 there but whatever.

You should get out of the recording studio and get that law degree. You would make a great defense attorney. And I mean that as a compliment.

You got my point though.  All you saw were pictures that can be interpreted any way someone wants to.  That money could have been from his mom and he just wanted to look cool.  Just no way to tell.  I think the more telling thing for Ole Miss is that Tunsil was out for 7 games for taking benefits, so they cheated.  It likely goes deeper than that.  But I'm of the opinion that cheating doesn't always mean they're not good at all.  I feel like these guys are good recruiters, and the benefits are just pushing them over the top.

[PorkRinds]

Seriously? While Treadwell is ON A VISIT TO OLE MI$$ he posts picures of a handful of hundreds and beautiful coeds hanging on him...and your go-to question is "Ok, so which coach handed him the money? If you don't know...then it didn't happen!"

C'mon PR...your better than that...

In reality, if you don't know, then it didn't happen.  Proof is what matters.  Everything else is an allegation.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

In reality, if you don't know, then it didn't happen.  Proof is what matters.  Everything else is an allegation.

There's no such thing as proof if you always make excuses for whats presented.

[PorkRinds]

There's no such thing as proof if you always make excuses for whats presented.

Yep.  Ole Miss skirting the sheriff is all because a couple of Hog fans haven't seen definitive proof that their staff are actually terrible recruiters.

[The_Hog_Father]

You got my point though.  All you saw were pictures that can be interpreted any way someone wants to.  That money could have been from his mom and he just wanted to look cool.  Just no way to tell.  I think the more telling thing for Ole Miss is that Tunsil was out for 7 games for taking benefits, so they cheated.  It likely goes deeper than that.  But I'm of the opinion that cheating doesn't always mean they're not good at all.  I feel like these guys are good recruiters, and the benefits are just pushing them over the top.

I strongly disagree with you and look forward when this deal they have going on is fully exposed. Too bad the NCAA is too afraid to do anything of substance since they are afraid that the P5 will drop them to create their own Governing Body. Lot's of things at play and once again... It will be interesting to see how things go down.

[Wildhog]

In reality, if you don't know, then it didn't happen.  Proof is what matters.  Everything else is an allegation.

I mean, the kids are definitely getting paid. 

But it's not the coaching staff that's doing it.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Yep.  Ole Miss skirting the sheriff is all because a couple of Hog fans haven't seen definitive proof that their staff are actually terrible recruiters.

That 4th and 25 play must killed you, huh.

[Pork Twain]

Yes. Pictures ARE proof. And context/timing/location is everything when connected to those images.

I like you and your posts. Former USAF TALCE myself... Before working in the Media/Features. Let's just agree to disagree.

Ok, what exactly is that picture proof of?  That could have been the spending money his mom gave him for the trip, the ring could have been a prop like the jerseys we let kids wear and girls have been known to be used to lure recruits.  Hell the was an ESPN 30 for 30 about Ole Miss's tactics with this way back.

As another posted stated, I am not defending Ole Miss as much as I am not willing to put us up on some untouchable pedestal.  I believe Ole Miss is probably cheating their butts off, but this picture does not prove it and can be very easily discounted.

I am not going after you personally here, but that could have been staged.

[The_Hog_Father]

Seriously? While Treadwell is ON A VISIT TO OLE MI$$ he posts picures of a handful of hundreds and beautiful coeds hanging on him...and your go-to question is "Ok, so which coach handed him the money? If you don't know...then it didn't happen!"

C'mon PR...your better than that...

Come on dude... His Moms gave him those crisp new $100 bills to throw around on his recruiting visit because we ALL know that none of their expenses are covered. /S

[Biggus Piggus]

I don't care about anything but observable facts. If Ole Miss can recruit on a high level, there's no reason to make excuses for Arkansas.

[RME]

That's fine, but they just won the Sugar Bowl.

Arkansas takes care of business early on in the season and there's a chance that would've been us instead.

Until Ole Miss starts thrashing Arkansas and winning SEC titles and getting into the playoffs, I'm not concerned.

[PorkRinds]

That 4th and 25 play must killed you, huh.

So you think I'm an Ole Miss fan, just because I don't think the same thing you do? 

[The_Hog_Father]

I mean, the kids are definitely getting paid. 

But it's not the coaching staff that's doing it.

Exactly THIS.

[PorkRinds]

Come on dude... His Moms gave him those crisp new $100 bills to throw around on his recruiting visit because we ALL know that none of their expenses are covered. /S

I have no idea where he got that money, and you don't either.

[The_Hog_Father]

I honestly don't care... I just hope we nail these next two recruiting weekends and continue to whip Ole Miss like yard dogs

[PorkRinds]

I mean, the kids are definitely getting paid. 

But it's not the coaching staff that's doing it.

And I've said that multiple times.  Some of these knuckle draggers seem to think Hugh has a bank in his office and is handing out cash like a bank teller.  All I've said is that they are obviously good recruiters, no one knows for sure who is paying people there, and that the coaches aren't likely involved in any paying.  Now all the sudden I hated beating Ole Miss, and I love that team instead of ours.  It's weird to say the least.

[Wildhog]

I don't care about anything but observable facts. If Ole Miss can recruit on a high level, there's no reason to make excuses for Arkansas.

yessir

[Wildhog]

And I've said that multiple times.  Some of these knuckle draggers seem to think Hugh has a bank in his office and is handing out cash like a bank teller.  All I've said is that they are obviously good recruiters, no one knows for sure who is paying people there, and that the coaches aren't likely involved in any paying.  Now all the sudden I hated beating Ole Miss, and I love that team instead of ours.  It's weird to say the least.

Insecurity.

[The_Hog_Father]

I have no idea where he got that money, and you don't either.

Too many things point to it NOT being spending money from his Moms... But get that last word in PR.

So now people that don't agree with you are knuckle draggers... I thought you were better than that. But you're not... Got it.

[duckman]

I'm really confused why you guys are so dead set on defending Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze. Do you guys know him personally or something and want to defend his honor?

This is my main issue, it is like some of you wish we would do this and condone it.  I would rather do it the way our staff and program are doing it.  Ole Miss will get taken down, Bama will see to that.  Beating them by cheating is a great way to get the dogs on you.  Not saying Bama doesn't do it as well but they are not Ole Miss either.

[PorkRinds]

Too many things point to it NOT being spending money from his Moms... But get that last word in PR.

That last word.  You feel better now?

[WooPig90]

Some of yall are way too concerned about Ole Miss than your own team

[ricepig]

And I've said that multiple times.  Some of these knuckle draggers seem to think Hugh has a bank in his office and is handing out cash like a bank teller.  All I've said is that they are obviously good recruiters, no one knows for sure who is paying people there, and that the coaches aren't likely involved in any paying.  Now all the sudden I hated beating Ole Miss, and I love that team instead of ours.  It's weird to say the least.

Nah, we all know Auburn is the one with the bank, Hugh has the Co-eds had out the money......

[Wildhog]

Some of yall are way too concerned about Ole Miss than your own team

Yeah, this one thread really takes away from my Hog fandom.