Ole Miss

[Wildhog]

Was it not fun beating them, and their highly rated class? We just need to worry about ourselves, and we'll get where we want to. As long as Freeze is coaching there, I'm not worried about them becoming some dynasty.

Sure it was.  But I'd trade seasons with them right now, and everyone else in this thread would, too.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

I'm pretty certain I wouldn't trade seasons if it meant trading reputations.  OM can keep their rep.

[ricepig]

Well, they just won the Sugar Bowl, so either they've got elite talent or elite coaching.  I lean toward talent.

You act like that was the Super Bowl, they beat a weak Big 12 team like we did.

[southarkhog06]

Sure it was.  But I'd trade seasons with them right now, and everyone else in this thread would, too.

Dont project onto others. I wouldnt if it meant we had to cheat, and have slim shady and the spice crew on our team.

[duckman]

I agree, but recruiting service rankings seem to matter with OM, but not UA.

As I have stated in the past, I look at the offer lists and video, don't give a s*** about the recruiting services...

[Wildhog]

You act like that was the Super Bowl, they beat a weak Big 12 team like we did.

I'm not old enough to remember us being nationally relevant.  A Sugar Bowl win WOULD be like a Super Bowl to me.

[ricepig]

Sure it was.  But I'd trade seasons with them right now, and everyone else in this thread would, too.

Don't go speaking for everyone so fast, my friend.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

As I have stated in the past, I look at the offer lists and video, don't give a s*** about the recruiting services...

And class ranking isn't based on an offer sheet.  It's based on the dreaded star.

[Country Stylz]

Sure have made quite an effort to defend them. But it's fine...I know you're an Arkansas guy. It's just crazy to me that anyone would say "I think they probably are cheating." Then fought so hard to defend them.

Pork Rinds is pursuing a career as a bagman.

[Wildhog]

Don't go speaking for everyone so fast, my friend.

If we were doing what they're doing, our fans would be bending over backwards to defend us. 

[upperdeck_hawg]

I started following the hogs in the late 70s. This Ole Miss rise to power has a lot of similarities to SMU. A similar average to below average program all of a sudden starts getting star players by the boat load and there is no explanation for it until...

[ricepig]

And class ranking isn't based on an offer sheet.  It's based on the dreaded star.

And stars are based on offers......

[PorkRinds]

Pork Rinds is pursuing a career as a bagman.

I gat dat munney mang...

[ricepig]

If we were doing what they're doing, our fans would be bending over backwards to defend us. 

Ok, if you say so.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

I'm not old enough to remember us being nationally relevant.  A Sugar Bowl win WOULD be like a Super Bowl to me.

We've been nationally relevant a few times in recent years...maybe 1998, 2006, 2010 and 2011.  But keeping with tradition, we only one 1 bowl game in those 4 tries.

[upperdeck_hawg]

Sure it was.  But I'd trade seasons with them right now, and everyone else in this thread would, too.

i'd trade beating bama and winning the sugar bowl over losing to Toledo and winning the Liberty bowl in a heartbeat

[Oliver]

I started following the hogs in the late 70s. This Ole Miss rise to power has a lot of similarities to SMU. A similar average to below average program all of a sudden starts getting star players by the boat load and there is no explanation for it until...

SMU got the death penalty.  Ah, memories of when the NCAA had a sack are fun.  Those days are long gone

[Wildhog]

Ok, if you say so.

Search your feelings.  You know it to be true.

[Country Stylz]

You're so much better than me!

Everybody says mean things and thinks they're better than me on here. All I did was stalk the head coach on Twitter to see if he would put a couple new option plays in, just for me. REALLY HURT MY FEELINGS YOU GUYS!!!

[Oliver]

i'd trade beating bama and winning the sugar bowl over losing to Toledo and winning the Liberty bowl in a heartbeat

Yeah but Ole Miss lost to us.  Still willing to trade?

[ricepig]

Search your feelings.  You know it to be true.

Uh, no.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

And stars are based on offers......

EXACTLY the point I was walking to.  Thus making the services more legit than many want to admit..IMO.  Put OM is another conference or division, they probably win 11 regular season games this season.  They've got tons of talent just as the services claim.

[southarkhog06]

If we were doing what they're doing, our fans would be bending over backwards to defend us.

Our fans would be in homer denial just like there fans are. I may be too, I would certainly like to think not, but I am glad that I dont have to find out.

[upperdeck_hawg]

Yeah but Ole Miss lost to us.  Still willing to trade?

wouldn't even think about it.

[Ugly Uncle]

Ole Miss is probably going to get this kid from Patterson La.  That is the way he is leaning...he is a stud.  Ole Miss has been clean in dealing with this kid I know.  I think OM is dirty though, they have to be.  Mykel just really likes the coaches.

http://247sports.com/Player/Mykel-Jones-23476

[gmarv]

Sure it was.  But I'd trade seasons with them right now, and everyone else in this thread would, too.

no I would not trade with them either.

[duckman]

And class ranking isn't based on an offer sheet.  It's based on the dreaded star.

Agree, I really don't care about the rankings either.  What I do know is all of a sudden Ole Miss gets a visit from whoever they want.  Combine that with the evidence albeit circumstantial it is pretty damning.  That said, while I can't stand cheating, that isn't my issue here.  I just find it hard to deal with people here praising and condoning a rival that I and many believe to cheat.

[ricepig]

EXACTLY the point I was walking to.  Thus making the services more legit than many want to admit..IMO.  Put OM is another conference or division, they probably win 11 regular season games this season.  They've got tons of talent just as the services claim.

How many would we win in this "other" conference?

[Country Stylz]

Because winning is fun and losing is not.

You don't really feel this way. You're just trying to get everyone riled up on a Tuesday.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

If we were doing what they're doing, our fans would be bending over backwards to defend us. 

Troof.  Or I'd say we'd be denying it.

[ricepig]

Ole Miss is probably going to get this kid from Patterson La.  That is the way he is leaning...he is a stud.  Ole Miss has been clean in dealing with this kid I know.  I think OM is dirty though, they have to be.  Mykel just really likes the coaches.

http://247sports.com/Player/Mykel-Jones-23476

I think they've got good recruiters, no doubt, but do they have good coaches, mentors?

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Could be.

Hey PR, we're both Arkansas guys. Should I have made the 4th and 25 comment? Probably not. But NONE of this was said "just because you commented that Ole Miss recruits at a high level."

Just answer me these questions and I'll be done:

1. When their are headlines/topics everywhere referring to Ole Miss and their cheating, how can Hugh Freeze not know that there's a POSSIBILITY of something going on? If he indeed knows of the possibility, then you think he's scamming this thing thoroughly and has found nothing?

2. What WOULD be construed as evidence for you?

[Country Stylz]

In other news, does anyone think this Giovanni Lafrance character is a thumper? Hope we sign all these linbackers we're on. That juco kid as well. 6'2 225. Very quick. Can't think of his name.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

How many would we win in this "other" conference?

Depends on the conference, but if it's one like the Big12 where everyone plays the up tempo, sling it all over the filed offenses, then we'd be in trouble.  I'd say we'd match up best against Big10 type teams...at least our defense would.  Our offense would probably do just fine anywhere.  So probably we wouldn't significantly improve anywhere given our defense.  Maybe is was too optimistic with OM.  Maybe at least 10 wins.  They got puuulenty of talent. 

[PorkRinds]

Hey PR, we're both Arkansas guys. Should I have made the 4th and 25 comment? Probably not. But NONE of this was said "just because you commented that Ole Miss recruits at a high level."

Just answer me these questions and I'll be done:

1. When their are headlines/topics everywhere referring to Ole Miss and their cheating, how can Hugh Freeze not know that there's a POSSIBILITY of something going on? If he indeed knows of the possibility, then you think he's scamming this thing thoroughly and has found nothing?

2. What WOULD be construed as evidence for you?

1.  I think people accuse those that win of cheating.  Now I do believe they are cheating, but accusations aren't anything but accusations.  From other fan bases, it sounds like sour grapes.  As far as Freeze, I don't know anything about him and how he operates.  I would say that if boosters are paying off recruits, they likely hide it from him if for no other reason than to protect their cash cow.
2.  I already said in this thread that I think they're cheating because of the Tunsil situation.  They got caught, and he was suspended by the NCAA.  No more proof needed. 

But none of that changes the argument I was making, which was that even if they're cheating, they also are doing something right with recruiting.  I don't think paying players is the only explanation for their success.  I think they are good recruiters too.  I've said nothing more, nothing less.

[Country Stylz]

Kapri Doucet. Plays with reckless abandon. We land some of these we'll be all right. I hope these big time DB's we have coming in aren't pay for play guys.

[ricepig]

Depends on the conference, but if it's one like the Big12 where everyone plays the up tempo, sling it all over the filed offenses, then we'd be in trouble.  I'd say we'd match up best against Big10 type teams...at least our defense would.  Our offense would probably do just fine anywhere.  So probably we wouldn't significantly improve anywhere given our defense.  Maybe is was too optimistic with OM.  Maybe at least 10 wins.  They got puuulenty of talent. 

We're 3-1 against the Big 12 since Bielema came, so there's that.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

If we were doing what they're doing, our fans would be bending over backwards to defend us.

Yeah, but our fans are bending their backs to defend THEM. That's what I don't get.

[Wildhog]

Yeah, but our fans are bending their backs to defend THEM. That's what I don't get.

No one is defending them.  Everyone has said they're cheating.

[Country Stylz]

Troof.  Or I'd say we'd be denying it.

We'd have too. To not get our program crushed and lose schollies. No bowl games. It seems like Ole Miss is allowed to get away with it. As soon as we try it we'll get hit with a ten pound hammer. Hell the worst we've done is paying players $15 an hour to work at a carwash in texas.

[Wildhog]

Kapri Doucet. Plays with reckless abandon. We land some of these we'll be all right. I hope these big time DB's we have coming in aren't pay for play guys.

We have an outstanding group of recruits coming in this weekend. Hope we can land some of them.

[Country Stylz]

We have an outstanding group of recruits coming in this weekend. Hope we can land some of them.

Me too man.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

1.  I think people accuse those that win of cheating.  Now I do believe they are cheating, but accusations aren't anything but accusations.  From other fan bases, it sounds like sour grapes.  As far as Freeze, I don't know anything about him and how he operates.  I would say that if boosters are paying off recruits, they likely hide it from him if for no other reason than to protect their cash cow.
2.  I already said in this thread that I think they're cheating because of the Tunsil situation.  They got caught, and he was suspended by the NCAA.  No more proof needed. 

But none of that changes the argument I was making, which was that even if they're cheating, they also are doing something right with recruiting.  I don't think paying players is the only explanation for their success.  I think they are good recruiters too.  I've said nothing more, nothing less.

I guess it really all boils down to, would we as fans think that CBB and staff would be doing recruiting right by cheating?

I say no while you seem to think yes. Everything else we've talked about is just the headlines under that main topic.

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then.

[ricepig]

We have an outstanding group of recruits coming in this weekend. Hope we can land some of them.

We will, how many is the question??

[Wildhog]

This has been a fun thread.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

We're 3-1 against the Big 12 since Bielema came, so there's that.

Yep, but I was limiting my opinion to the 2015 season.  I think Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU would have smoked us.  TT did it.  We generally suck it up against teams with legit QB's.  Heck, even KSU with their 18th string QB gave us a scare.  I don't even think Texas fielded a QB against us in the Cotton bowl last year.

[ricepig]

This has been a fun thread.

I'll pick you up into the King Air, bring the duffle bag.......

[Country Stylz]

1.  I think people accuse those that win of cheating.  Now I do believe they are cheating, but accusations aren't anything but accusations.  From other fan bases, it sounds like sour grapes.  As far as Freeze, I don't know anything about him and how he operates.  I would say that if boosters are paying off recruits, they likely hide it from him if for no other reason than to protect their cash cow.
2.  I already said in this thread that I think they're cheating because of the Tunsil situation.  They got caught, and he was suspended by the NCAA.  No more proof needed. 

But none of that changes the argument I was making, which was that even if they're cheating, they also are doing something right with recruiting.  I don't think paying players is the only explanation for their success.  I think they are good recruiters too.  I've said nothing more, nothing less.

Hunter Henry and Alex Collins had to have great awareness to make that happen. It wasn't a fluke or a lucky play, it was fight till the last whistle blows. We beat Ole Miss' expensive team on there own field and knocked em out of Atlanta. Hell that game week on Finebaum they were talking about the LSU game and we were an after thought. They couldn't stop us all day. That wasn't a fluke, that was a classic Hog victory. Ay Hugh Freeze, you got change n****? And I don't know what this has to do with Pork Rinds post. Hell with it.

[Temprees]

A recruit (allegedly) gets $1,000 for giving Ole Miss an official visit (which usually means they're in their Top 5). The Ole Miss boosters are buying branding and marketing getting their name beside Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Texas, etc.

You are correct. It's all about the Benjamins. ($$$$$$$)

[Sir Oinksalot]

...it shows on the 24/7 site that OM has an average of .90 stars, Arkansas .878.
So basically 2/100's of a point difference. That doesn't seem like much...